Bigballs Posted July 21, 2015 Report Share Posted July 21, 2015 Not sure what point you are making. The amount of time it takes to clean a bike and the amount of time travelling to meetings is exactly the same for UK based Aussies like Justin Sedgmen, Max Fricke and Nick Morris as it is for Brits, the money is pretty much the same for the Aussies as it is for Brits and they have the additional expense of stting up. British base. Getting a team place in Sweden or Poland is just as difficult for Aussies as it is for Brits yet Max Fricke has gone off and done it, as well ans getting a regular EL team spot.so all those spurious points you mention go out the window. I have r,rad the article for a second time, and to be fair to Richie, he is not complaining about the amount of time it takes to clean a bike or travelling to meeting etc. the thrust of his complaints is the lack of opportunity for British riders to progress and he has a point there in view of the protectionism Sweden and Poland have to their home grown riders.. Certainly Richie, and riders of roughly his standard would benefit from a regular EL team slot, and yes they do need a bit more support from the promoters , but as was said before t.hey need to not expect things gifted . There are two sides to the srgument and neither is clear cut. Why can't British riders do the Aussie leauge ? Like the aussies do the British leauge?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellers101 Posted July 21, 2015 Report Share Posted July 21, 2015 Whilst I agree with some of Richies points I don't with others. Why should doubling up be allowed? It shouldn't to the extent it is, makes a mockery of the sport. Clean up in your own league or give up! Also why can't he combine a job with his dad with speedway? One or the other he said. Lots of top riders did and still do. Get a grip! Why can't British riders do the Aussie leauge ? Like the aussies do the British leauge?? What Aussie league? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigballs Posted July 21, 2015 Report Share Posted July 21, 2015 Whilst I agree with some of Richies points I don't with others. Why should doubling up be allowed? It shouldn't to the extent it is, makes a mockery of the sport. Clean up in your own league or give up! Also why can't he combine a job with his dad with speedway? One or the other he said. Lots of top riders did and still do. Get a grip! What Aussie league? Ho is that why they are all here? Whilst I agree with some of Richies points I don't with others. Why should doubling up be allowed? It shouldn't to the extent it is, makes a mockery of the sport. Clean up in your own league or give up! Also why can't he combine a job with his dad with speedway? One or the other he said. Lots of top riders did and still do. Get a grip! What Aussie league? Why no league they bread um like rabbits over there GP as well Whilst I agree with some of Richies points I don't with others. Why should doubling up be allowed? It shouldn't to the extent it is, makes a mockery of the sport. Clean up in your own league or give up! Also why can't he combine a job with his dad with speedway? One or the other he said. Lots of top riders did and still do. Get a grip! Would that be a renthal What Aussie league? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted July 21, 2015 Report Share Posted July 21, 2015 99.98% of the public have probably never even heard of speedway or grass track,,, so maybe Josh is just trying to put the word out more than likely has a signwriter sponsor , who did the van free hoping to get others to have theirs done by him . Why can't British riders do the Aussie leauge ? Like the aussies do the British leauge?? yes I know the one you mean , In our winter they have a league of their own running dont they , is it the Australian Elite league ? #showshowmuchyouknowaboutspeedway.com. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted July 21, 2015 Report Share Posted July 21, 2015 So are you saying that worrall is not good enough for a EL place and should be left to fade away British speedway riders are not being produced like rabbits.bellevue bought him as an investment and looks like left him with no ride. He said he his only riding for 5 min a week but yet still holds a heat leader position at somerset realy he will be racing a bit rusty and doing very well maybe he should forget British speedway and go abroad he may never look back If you read the tread properly you would know that's not what I am saying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted July 21, 2015 Report Share Posted July 21, 2015 more than likely has a signwriter sponsor , who did the van free hoping to get others to have theirs done by him . forgot to mention,,, probably to get himself noticed as well yes I know the one you mean , In our winter they have a league of their own running dont they , is it the Australian Elite league ? #showshowmuchyouknowaboutspeedway.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted July 21, 2015 Report Share Posted July 21, 2015 (edited) If you look at Bellvue if they need a guest they use an Aussie why? Because there team manager is an Aussie and he is looking after the Aussies they all stick together good on them you could say that the Aussies are better riders than the Brits or the poles are the other European riders but I don't think so. When the world cup comes along we stick with the same riders why because we haven't brought any along and find it hard for the team manager to take the risk if lambert had been riding for another ELteam would he av been picked by Roscoe?I doubt the BV team manager favours Aussies in his choice of guests and I have never heard any BV fans say that is the case I but if it is true that is a local problem for BV to sort out, and it's not what Richie was complaining about in his SS interview . He was complaining though about the fact that Belle Vue fell over themselves to buy him and now don't give him a team place, (and this was before Mark Lemon took over as TM). I can understand his frustration with Belle Vue though. Reading between the lines of the interview it seems Richie is not altogether happy with their lack of support for his career. Personally I don't think Carswels influence at Belle Vue has been a good one, since he became involved on the promotional side.Whatever the ins and outs of the original financial dispute between Richie and Lakeside, going to BV has not been a successful move for Richie especially when you consider how successful his replacement, Richard Lawson has been since coming into the Lakeside side as a 3 point reserve who couldn't ride small tracks. Edited July 21, 2015 by E I Addio 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgy Posted July 21, 2015 Report Share Posted July 21, 2015 If you read the tread properly you would know that's not what I am saying The loony village idiot is back. Ignore and don't bite. Is just what it wants. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted July 21, 2015 Report Share Posted July 21, 2015 So are you saying that worrall is not good enough for a EL place and should be left to fade away British speedway riders are not being produced like rabbits.bellevue bought him as an investment and looks like left him with no ride. He said he his only riding for 5 min a week but yet still holds a heat leader position at somerset realy he will be racing a bit rusty and doing very well maybe he should forget British speedway and go abroad he may never look back He was OK at Kings Lynn but deteriorated at Belle Vue, his PL form hasn't been as good over the last two seasons either. EL promoters bring in whatever they see as the best option. If you look at Bellvue if they need a guest they use an Aussie why? Because there team manager is an Aussie and he is looking after the Aussies they all stick together good on them you could say that the Aussies are better riders than the Brits or the poles are the other European riders but I don't think so. When the world cup comes along we stick with the same riders why because we haven't brought any along and find it hard for the team manager to take the risk if lambert had been riding for another ELteam would he av been picked by Roscoe? Are you sure he decides who gets a place? I should think that Chris Morton and his fellow promoters decide that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted July 21, 2015 Report Share Posted July 21, 2015 (edited) Ho is that why they are all here? Why no league they bread um like rabbits over there GP as well Is that with Butter and Jam? If you read the tread properly you would know that's not what I am saying Makes me tyred reading this Tread. Edited July 21, 2015 by The White Knight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellers101 Posted July 21, 2015 Report Share Posted July 21, 2015 (edited) Ho is that why they are all here? Why no league they bread um like rabbits over there GP as wellSpeedway only takes place in a few towns in Australia and have you seen how far away they are from each other? Edited July 21, 2015 by Bellers101 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted July 21, 2015 Report Share Posted July 21, 2015 (edited) I'm fairly sure that Belle Vue offered him a team place this year but he wanted to go to King's Lynn. By the time they decided they didn't want him the Aces had completed their team. As for guest rides surely he has to show he is the best available at the time. Richie did have a poorer year lat year but it was nothing to do with signing for Belle Vue, he had a poor year at Ipswich as well. I have sympathy with his lack of track time point which is one of the issues the new stadium should help with next year. Edited July 21, 2015 by Aces51 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCookie Posted July 21, 2015 Report Share Posted July 21, 2015 Hold on, more track time. Didn't he start his career at Scunthorpe the mecca for anyone who wants endless track time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigballs Posted July 21, 2015 Report Share Posted July 21, 2015 Speedway only takes place in a few towns in Australia and have you seen how far away they are from each other?Will I need my binoculars or my telescope ??? I'm fairly sure that Belle Vue offered him a team place this year but he wanted to go to King's Lynn. By the time they decided they didn't want him the Aces had completed their team. As for guest rides surely he has to show he is the best available at the time. Richie did have a poorer year lat year but it was nothing to do with signing for Belle Vue, he had a poor year at Ipswich as well. I have sympathy with his lack of track time point which is one of the issues the new stadium should help with next year. Are you another smoker of them funny fags when the residents start complaining about noise the only practice sessions will be cycle speedway mildenhall nearly got closed down because the residents couldn't ear the jumbo jets landing because of speedway bikes?Hold on, more track time. Didn't he start his career at Scunthorpe the mecca for anyone who wants endless track time?did he how come he dident get a ride in the team? I'm fairly sure that Belle Vue offered him a team place this year but he wanted to go to King's Lynn. By the time they decided they didn't want him the Aces had completed their team. As for guest rides surely he has to show he is the best available at the time. Richie did have a poorer year lat year but it was nothing to do with signing for Belle Vue, he had a poor year at Ipswich as well. I have sympathy with his lack of track time point which is one of the issues the new stadium should help with next year. If I did any sport i would want to practice it to better my self when I go on my holidays for two weeks I can't drive my car with confidence for a short time it feels strange how do these young lads jump on a 500 cc wild thing and go like the clappers for four laps with no practice time ? I think we should pay more to watch speedway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denis99 Posted July 21, 2015 Report Share Posted July 21, 2015 I have read through the entire post, and perhaps the Richey Worrall story really hides a wider problem. Speedway is in decline in the UK and costs are spiralling for any nationality rider. I believe we just have to accept that speedway in the UK does not have enough support and the EL clubs paying some high point money doesn't make any long term sense ( regardless of rider nationality). Perhaps what is required is a realisation that speedway in the UK ( if it is to continue , and hopefully recover) needs to go back to a semi professional / part time speedway rider that doesn't require high state of tune and maintenance equipment. A single league consisting mainly of British riders is probably what is needed. It's the racing that matters, even if the heat times are say 2 seconds slower, it doesn't matter, it is the quality of the racing that counts. 8 man teams, meaning less rider replacement / guest riders. There would be greater team recognition week to week. The better riders seeking world class rides would have to seek teams in Sweden and Poland, but we need to recover the sport and reduce the costs for riders and paying public. Riders will have to realise that if they are to ride speedway in the UK , then the sport as it stands simply cannot pay riders £250 a point, as the paying public through the gate cannot support this. We need to go back to a single league that is predominantly filled with UK riders, although I am not against foreign riders, but all riders need to understand what the long term sport can support. Or is this to simplistic? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proud panther Posted July 21, 2015 Report Share Posted July 21, 2015 Denis99, where is all the riders coming from to fill all the present teams ? Loads double up at present, & to take the top boys out would mean you would need about 100 more riders to get 8 in a team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigballs Posted July 21, 2015 Report Share Posted July 21, 2015 I have read through the entire post, and perhaps the Richey Worrall story really hides a wider problem. Speedway is in decline in the UK and costs are spiralling for any nationality rider. I believe we just have to accept that speedway in the UK does not have enough support and the EL clubs paying some high point money doesn't make any long term sense ( regardless of rider nationality). Perhaps what is required is a realisation that speedway in the UK ( if it is to continue , and hopefully recover) needs to go back to a semi professional / part time speedway rider that doesn't require high state of tune and maintenance equipment. A single league consisting mainly of British riders is probably what is needed. It's the racing that matters, even if the heat times are say 2 seconds slower, it doesn't matter, it is the quality of the racing that counts. 8 man teams, meaning less rider replacement / guest riders. There would be greater team recognition week to week. The better riders seeking world class rides would have to seek teams in Sweden and Poland, but we need to recover the sport and reduce the costs for riders and paying public. Riders will have to realise that if they are to ride speedway in the UK , then the sport as it stands simply cannot pay riders £250 a point, as the paying public through the gate cannot support this. We need to go back to a single league that is predominantly filled with UK riders, although I am not against foreign riders, but all riders need to understand what the long term sport can support. Or is this to simplistic? How many funny fags have you had? I would say about 6 we need more good British riders can you ride a bike if so will you come down to the new British speedway traning camp wile I wet my pants watching you fill your kelvin klines with the brown stuff and the trainer telling you DON'T SHUT THE THROTTLE OFF YOU K---b HEAD you are going to hurt your self here try bike no. 2 it's got more power Denis99, where is all the riders coming from to fill all the present teams ? Loads double up at present, & to take the top boys out would mean you would need about 100 more riders to get 8 in a team.THEY BREED UM LIKE RABBITS IN AUS AND MOST OF THEM CAN PICK BRIT OR AUSSIE ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denis99 Posted July 21, 2015 Report Share Posted July 21, 2015 Proud Panther Yes, there would be an immediate shortfall, but if UK riders knew that teams needed more riders, then perhaps the semi professional / amateur status might bring back riders that simply found the cost , travel, bike tuning just too much to support. I just can't see how the existing clubs can continue on a business sense. I'm an ex Newport Wasps supporter and it was never a viable business operation. There seems to be a lot of clubs barely surviving for a dwindling supporter base. I can't understand how the promoters of the clubs can continue for the next season or two. There has to be a proper plan for British Speedway to survive and then improve. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian1 Posted July 21, 2015 Report Share Posted July 21, 2015 Proud Panther Yes, there would be an immediate shortfall, but if UK riders knew that teams needed more riders, then perhaps the semi professional / amateur status might bring back riders that simply found the cost , travel, bike tuning just too much to support. I just can't see how the existing clubs can continue on a business sense. I'm an ex Newport Wasps supporter and it was never a viable business operation. There seems to be a lot of clubs barely surviving for a dwindling supporter base. I can't understand how the promoters of the clubs can continue for the next season or two. There has to be a proper plan for British Speedway to survive and then improve. These riders Do this sport as a full time job though. And a dangerous one at that I know they choose to do it But they also do it because they love it otherwise why would they put their lives on the line like they do They are a rare breed. But you're correct British Speedway needs a proper plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigballs Posted July 21, 2015 Report Share Posted July 21, 2015 Proud Panther Yes, there would be an immediate shortfall, but if UK riders knew that teams needed more riders, then perhaps the semi professional / amateur status might bring back riders that simply found the cost , travel, bike tuning just too much to support. I just can't see how the existing clubs can continue on a business sense. I'm an ex Newport Wasps supporter and it was never a viable business operation. There seems to be a lot of clubs barely surviving for a dwindling supporter base. I can't understand how the promoters of the clubs can continue for the next season or two. There has to be a proper plan for British Speedway to survive and then improve. they do it with sponsorship and playing public . Top riders find it very difficult to ride with lower leauge riders why ? To dangerous more than likely has a signwriter sponsor , who did the van free hoping to get others to have theirs done by him . yes I know the one you mean , In our winter they have a league of their own running dont they , is it the Australian Elite league ? #showshowmuchyouknowaboutspeedway.com. NO it's don't let any poms in league they might get better than us we need to be better than them at the start of there season so we can take all there rides and do be better in the world cup because that's at the beginning of the season to can the world cup be put at the end of the season to give us Brits a chance?they do it with sponsorship and paying public . Top riders find it very difficult to ride with lower leauge riders why ? To dangerous NO it's don't let any poms in league they might get better than us we need to be better than them at the start of there season so we can take all there rides and do be better in the world cup because that's at the beginning of the season to can the world cup be put at the end of the season to give us Brits a chance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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