arnieg Posted July 18, 2015 Report Share Posted July 18, 2015 Talk about stating the bleedin' obvious! Of course once something is out there it's out there for good - but that's not a reason for not doing it now. Ok so your opinion, which you're entitled to air on here, is that he should keep it off the web for now at least, but please explain WHY you think that. I don't see any reason why he shouldn't. Btw if you're hinting at some sort of legal ramifications you'd be wrong and putting the wind up him unnecessarily. There's no privacy or copyright issues - otherwise we wouldn't be seeing any speedway clips on the net. And no individual involved can have any grounds for litigation - for, say, defamation - because whatever in shown in the video is, by definition, a record of what happened and maybe of what was said. So go ahead TheOutsider; stick it on t'internet and let's all see what happened. You have nothing to fear except moans from anybody it embarrasses. 1) I'm citing a precedent 2) my opinion is based on over 30 years of involvement in various quasi-judicial processes If the SCB are going to take further action then the parties concerned have a right to a fair hearing. Incidents often look different if taken from different angles, and selectively edited clips can be misleading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted July 18, 2015 Report Share Posted July 18, 2015 I remember Joe Screen knocking the arm of Jimmy Nielsson (wrong spelling!!) after a race and jimmy fell to the ground but i dont remember what Joe Screen got in the way of a punishment,anyone remember? Spot on. Jason Doyle also deposited Freddie Lindgren onto the floor in a Playoff first leg a few years ago too. No action there either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted July 18, 2015 Report Share Posted July 18, 2015 So we have all the neutrals saying Josh should have been excluded in the first place, certainly agree with that. As for what happened afterwards, how many times has a rider that's been fenced, get close the next time they meet? Happens all the time, there's no way Rohan intended to knock Josh off, his hand went up to apologise straight away, riders that want to knock someone off, don't apologise the second after it happens. I think Rohan intended to chuck some shale in Josh's direction. Or at worst, he intended to give him a nudge. But we'll never know, it was just very unfortunate that Josh fell awkwardly and hurt himself (but having said that, the way he was stomping around he didn't look very injured to me), but it didn't stop him behaving like an idiot 30-40 minutes later. But was premeditated was what Wilkinson did, that was not very nice and could have also caused injury. But the whole incident shouldn't have left us fans standing around doing nothing for that amount of time, the Ref made his decision but it appeared that Scunny wouldn't accept it, but when the boss is a nutcase that doesn't seem to know much about the sport, it's only obvious his employees will follow his lead. Good meeting apart the that, but Ippo did make hard work of beating a poor side. Ipswich fan are we ? Tungate almost certainly didn't intend to injure Auty, but he definitely intended to run into him and he knew the potential consequences. Auty and Rob Godfrey might not have acted professionally, but no-one got hurt as a result. If they are idiots, I am struggling to find a word (at least one I can post) that describes a rider who deliberately knocks another off after a race. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Johnson Posted July 18, 2015 Report Share Posted July 18, 2015 i cant see a problem putting the footage out there, i know rob was asking if any one had it videoed at the end and i told them you or ya brother had.im not sure how rob needs this footage, either a youtube clip or a hard copy for the scb?, if rob could lets us know whats required then i could download the clip and put it on a disc and hand it to him.im sure the scb would just go along with what report the ref put in, as the ref didnt see the incident (he was filling in his prog along with someone else who should of seen it), so i guess like football the scb would go with video evidence?. the ref should of used common sense not not let him ride again, i dont know the regs if he could of or not but the crowd were incensed and tempers were flared. which went to show when morris kicked out at nike on the line... no morris was not sliding off he had a pop at him, if he had hit him then nike could of hit the wire fence to god no what injury, yes wilcko shouldnt of tried to kick out at neilsen, also it sickens me that so called "fans" on here say josh got what he derserved, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammer1969 Posted July 18, 2015 Report Share Posted July 18, 2015 (edited) I wasn't at the meeting I've only read various comments etc. plus the match report on the Ipswich website, Scunthorpe haven't posted a full report yet but I will read that as well. My opinion is the same as the one I made a few days ago on a different forum, whether he/she is a good or bad Referee they are in charge and they should have the final say at the meeting, we supporters may well disagree quite a lot with what they say but they are there to make the decisions. When it comes to riders and promoters disagreeing with the referee for the sake of the sport DONT go and stage a sit in on the start line, or fight with fellow riders/mechanics in the pits put in a written complaint to the SCB, I dont know if there is anything in the rules about putting in appeals etc. but if there's not there should be. Any promoter who does what the Scunthorpe promoter did last night should at the very least be fined and perhaps banned from the next couple of meetings - similar to punishments that are sometimes handed out to football managers, they are setting a really bad example to their team. As for the fans who joined him on the track I can understand you were probably very irrate about what had occured but Speedway is advertised as a family friendly sport, supporters should in no circumstances be on the track. Yes Speedway does need more media coverage but not this type of coverage it reflects really badly on the sport, the promoters, the riders and the fans who on the whole are only there to participate in or watch a speedway meeting not to get involved in a 'punch up'. Edited July 18, 2015 by hammer1969 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pob Posted July 18, 2015 Report Share Posted July 18, 2015 Ok neckbrace just quoting what you said here the ref was filling in his programme and didn't see the incident ok if that's the case how could he then go and act on it and go to the pits and issue a fine to Tungate if he didn't see what happened ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammer1969 Posted July 18, 2015 Report Share Posted July 18, 2015 Just seen the following on the Scunthorpe website "The Scunthorpe speedway club would be interested in hearing from anyone with video footage of the incident following Heat 10, so that the footage can be passed onto the SCB, so that they can independently look at the evidence and make any judgement they feel necessary after this unsavoury incident." In my opinion you and anyone else who has footage of the incident should send it directly to the SCB and let them sort out this sorry mess. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZODIAK Posted July 18, 2015 Report Share Posted July 18, 2015 Well done Witches. Much needed 3 points.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted July 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2015 Blimey, that was like a speedway meeting on steroids. Amazing racing, controversy all the place. Most the incidents and handbags were just speedway, but Rohan Tungate's actions after Heat 10 were not. No place for that at all. All the best rob 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted July 18, 2015 Report Share Posted July 18, 2015 Yeah, I just read the Ippo report. What I'd like clarified is where exactly the 'collision' happened. Tungate is craftily talking about it happening "coming into turns 1 & 2" but which is it? It sounds like it was somewhere around the 2nd bend. If that's the case I don't see how it could be accidental or unavoidable. On the 1st bend maybe, but not on the 2nd. You've seen more speedway meetings than most BCD; would you agree? Difficult to say having not witnessed it but I have seen a few accidents at the conclusion of the race and a lot of near misses over the years. The fact the referee has fined and reported Tungate Indicates to me this wasn't viewed as accidental. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSpecialOne Posted July 18, 2015 Report Share Posted July 18, 2015 Just seen the following on the Scunthorpe website "The Scunthorpe speedway club would be interested in hearing from anyone with video footage of the incident following Heat 10, so that the footage can be passed onto the SCB, so that they can independently look at the evidence and make any judgement they feel necessary after this unsavoury incident." In my opinion you and anyone else who has footage of the incident should send it directly to the SCB and let them sort out this sorry mess. Presumably they will also pass on video footage of the following 'unsavoury' incidents? - Scunthorpe club officials preventing continuation of a meeting against the referres wishes - Club staff (mechanics) involved in fighting - Home supporters entering the track area during the running of a meeting - Club officials trying to influence referres decisions 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric i Posted July 18, 2015 Report Share Posted July 18, 2015 Difficult to say having not witnessed it but I have seen a few accidents at the conclusion of the race and a lot of near misses over the years. The fact the referee has fined and reported Tungate Indicates to me this wasn't viewed as accidental. “The referee said he didn’t see it. The clerk of the course, who wasn’t our normal clerk of the course, also said he didn’t see it. http://scunthorpescorpions.co/?p=3833 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graz gp Posted July 18, 2015 Report Share Posted July 18, 2015 Imo it does not matter whatever anyone says on here, if Tungate is deemed to have ran into Auty deliberately after the race, he should face a ban The scb should come down on any riders found to have committed such an act like a ton of bricks. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moorwell Posted July 18, 2015 Report Share Posted July 18, 2015 I can assure everyone that last nights astonishing events during the Scunthorpe v Ipswich Premier League meeting have been recorded. They will be uploaded. However prior to doing so I would wish to know if there are any wider considerations; with regard to putting the evidence onto a public forum; which may be relevant to any subsequent SCB Enquiry. I have viewed the footage and it is possible to form opinion as regards the incidents; and all ensuing events. Is there any advice out there as to whether this should go onto a public forum at this stage. I am still thinking everything through; but suffice to say at this stage after the superlatives of Scunthorpe v Peterborough a week ago; we left last night stunned and shaking our heads at what we had witnessed. Another thing; read the 2015 Speedway Regulations; you will only get to Page 5 Sect 3.3 to understand that the Referee has greater jurisdiction than he chose to exercise last night. I walked back with Peter Clarke (Referee) to his box; and with no histrionics; respectfully reminded him that he had the power to uphold the code of sportsman ship and proper conduct in the arena and therefore he could exclude Rohan Tungate from the meeting. Had he chosen to do so he would have avoided much of what ensued that further brought the sport into disrepute. Mr Clarke said to me that he had done all that he could in imposing the maximum fine and would be writing his report to the SCB. I beg to differ in his view that he did all he could. post it please 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric i Posted July 18, 2015 Report Share Posted July 18, 2015 Ipswitch website says, 'The referee agreed with us that it was an accident but Rohan was fined as a result.' What is Rohan been fined for? It was either an accident or it was done on purpose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZODIAK Posted July 18, 2015 Report Share Posted July 18, 2015 Ipswitch website says, 'The referee agreed with us that it was an accident but Rohan was fined as a result.' What is Rohan been fined for? It was either an accident or it was done on purpose. Well apparently the officials didn't see it, so they shouldn't be issuing any fines. If there is video evidence of the incident(s), then that should be viewed and any appropriate action should then follow. Not sure how you can issue a fine to a rider for an incident you didn't actually see.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted July 18, 2015 Report Share Posted July 18, 2015 The referee said he didnt see it. The clerk of the course, who wasnt our normal clerk of the course, also said he didnt see it. http://scunthorpescorpions.co/?p=3833 interesting choice of words in certain paragraphs... 'Tungate was also involved in a first bend incident during the original attempt to run heat 10' Scunny way of describing Auty wiping him out (as per neutral eyewitness) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammer1969 Posted July 18, 2015 Report Share Posted July 18, 2015 One man's hard racer is another man's dirty rider and this goes for all levels of the sport and Josh certainly falls into this category. We as fans like to watch hard exciting racing after all isn't this why we pay out admission fee every meeting. Had the original incident happened during the race it would have been accepted, all be it reluctantly by some as one of those things that happen in speedway But bring a rider off after the end of the of a race is out of order. However what happened at Scunthorpe last night can only be blamed on one person and that is Peter Clark. As referee he was in charge of the whole meeting and not just the racing. Having witnessed the incident experiance should have told him that feelings would be running high. Having felt the Rohan's actions warranted the maxium fine and reporting to the SBC. Peter should have then removed him from the meeting if for no other reason than to calm things down. HE DIDN'T. Had Mr Clark had the courage of his convictions, we as fans would not be on here debating the farcical goings on at Scunthorpe be talking about a decision that on hindsight was hard but fair From the Scunthorpe website "The referee said he didn’t see it. The clerk of the course, who wasn’t our normal clerk of the course, also said he didn’t see it." So apparently the referee must have made his decisions on what other people saw - what a farce. Apart from footage taken by fans was there someone there who videos the meetings for DVD's as there are at some other tracks? Send all the footage to the SCB, and on other point perhaps in future Referees should be instructed to watch the track from the time riders come out of the pits for a race and until they have returned to the pits at the end of the race, surely there is someone else in the box who can write down the scores, times etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted July 18, 2015 Report Share Posted July 18, 2015 Well apparently the officials didn't see it, so they shouldn't be issuing any fines. If there is video evidence of the incident(s), then that should be viewed and any appropriate action should then follow. Not sure how you can issue a fine to a rider for an incident you didn't actually see.. I would assume (dangerous I know) that the referee spoke to various officials and witnesses and based his fine on that. I also assume that if Tungate believes he was unfairly fined he can appeal to the SCB in the same way Scunthorpe can if they are not satisfied with the referees actions.. It is possible that had the referee not issued a fine no further action could have been taken later ( I don't know the rule book that well) so erred on the side of caution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZODIAK Posted July 18, 2015 Report Share Posted July 18, 2015 I would assume (dangerous I know) that the referee spoke to various officials and witnesses and based his fine on that. I also assume that if Tungate believes he was unfairly fined he can appeal to the SCB in the same way Scunthorpe can if they are not satisfied with the referees actions.. It is possible that had the referee not issued a fine no further action could have been taken later ( I don't know the rule book that well) so erred on the side of caution. But that is a nonsense and should not happen! He's the referee. Neither he nor the clerk of the course apparently witnessed the incident. You can't take action and issue fines by listening to the views of others. That's just not the way it works. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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