Scunthorpe Scorpions Vs Ipswich Witches ( P L) - Friday, July 17th (7.30pm)

[Munchkin]

I'm an edinburgh fan and totally agree Sam masters should have been thrown out the meeting understand he was fined £300

[thebaron]

are there any videos doing the rounds of the incidents?I

I can assure everyone that last nights astonishing events during the Scunthorpe v Ipswich Premier League meeting have been recorded. They will be uploaded.

 

However prior to doing so I would wish to know if there are any wider considerations; with regard to putting the evidence onto a public forum; which may be relevant to any subsequent SCB Enquiry. I have viewed the footage and it is possible to form opinion as regards the incidents; and all ensuing events.

 

Is there any advice out there as to whether this should go onto a public forum at this stage.

 

I am still thinking everything through; but suffice to say at this stage after the superlatives of Scunthorpe v Peterborough a week ago; we left last night stunned and shaking our heads at what we had witnessed.

 

Another thing; read the 2015 Speedway Regulations; you will only get to Page 5 Sect 3.3 to understand that the Referee has greater jurisdiction than he chose to exercise last night. I walked back with Peter Clarke (Referee) to his box; and with no histrionics; respectfully reminded him that he had the power to uphold the code of sportsman ship and proper conduct in the arena and therefore he could exclude Rohan Tungate from the meeting. Had he chosen to do so he would have avoided much of what ensued that further brought the sport into disrepute.

 

Mr Clarke said to me that he had done all that he could in imposing the maximum fine and would be writing his report to the SCB. I beg to differ in his view that he did all he could.

Edited July 18, 2015 by the outsider

[montie]

Best laugh ive had is Tungates statement....Auty shut off over the finish line!!!..thought everyone did that

[mdmc82]

Best laugh ive had is Tungates statement....Auty shut off over the finish line!!!..thought everyone did that

I thought the same. It's the Aussie temper striking again.

 

Has Auty's injury been confirmed anywhere?

Edited July 18, 2015 by mdmc82

[Baldyman]

Most normally shut off before line

[arnieg]

I can assure everyone that last nights astonishing events during the Scunthorpe v Ipswich Premier League meeting have been recorded. They will be uploaded.

 

However prior to doing so I would wish to know if there are any wider considerations; with regard to putting the evidence onto a public forum; which may be relevant to any subsequent SCB Enquiry. I have viewed the footage and it is possible to form opinion as regards the incidents; and all ensuing events.

 

Is there any advice out there as to whether this should go onto a public forum at this stage.

 

I am still thinking everything through; but suffice to say at this stage after the superlatives of Scunthorpe v Peterborough a week ago; we left last night stunned and shaking our heads at what we witnessed last night.

Cleancut recorded the Greaves/Sarjeant incident last year and ended up passing it on to SCB.

 

I would advise not posting it - you can always post it later, but you can never unpost it once posted.

[EC Rides Again]

The sad thing about all this is forgetting all the argy-bargy a fantastic meeting with loads of passing took place last night.

 

No more from me on this one.

[Albert]

I thought the same. It's the Aussie temper striking again.

Has Auty's injury been confirmed anywhere?

I saw Josh's hand..it certainly didn't look good..all ballooned up, looked a mess to be honest.. be amazed if it ain't broken... I fear his season could be over.

[robert72]

I can assure everyone that last nights astonishing events during the Scunthorpe v Ipswich Premier League meeting have been recorded. They will be uploaded.

 

However prior to doing so I would wish to know if there are any wider considerations; with regard to putting the evidence onto a public forum; which may be relevant to any subsequent SCB Enquiry. I have viewed the footage and it is possible to form opinion as regards the incidents; and all ensuing events.

 

Is there any advice out there as to whether this should go onto a public forum at this stage.

 

I am still thinking everything through; but suffice to say at this stage after the superlatives of Scunthorpe v Peterborough a week ago; we left last night stunned and shaking our heads at what we had witnessed.

 

Another thing; read the 2015 Speedway Regulations; you will only get to Page 5 Sect 3.3 to understand that the Referee has greater jurisdiction than he chose to exercise last night. I walked back with Peter Clarke (Referee) to his box; and with no histrionics; respectfully reminded him that he had the power to uphold the code of sportsman ship and proper conduct in the arena and therefore he could exclude Rohan Tungate from the meeting. Had he chosen to do so he would have avoided much of what ensued that further brought the sport into disrepute.

 

Mr Clarke said to me that he had done all that he could in imposing the maximum fine and would be writing his report to the SCB. I beg to differ in his view that he did all he could.

I don't think it would make any difference to any enquiry if you uploaded it on here as it would be of what happened.

 

It would be interesting to see if there are different views on it after watching it.

 

Hope you share it.

[phillwhitewasmad]

Wonder if Luna got fined as rule states your responsible for merchanic s action !!! Bet he doesn't

Yep he did Neil

[bigcatdiary]

Interesting viewpoint from Ipswich in their match report but Scunthorpe haven't posted one yet so hard to make comparisons.

[PE7Panther]

I would advise not posting it - you can always post it later, but you can never unpost it once posted.

Talk about stating the bleedin' obvious! Of course once something is out there it's out there for good - but that's not a reason for not doing it now.

 

Ok so your opinion, which you're entitled to air on here, is that he should keep it off the web for now at least, but please explain WHY you think that.

 

I don't see any reason why he shouldn't.

 

Btw if you're hinting at some sort of legal ramifications you'd be wrong and putting the wind up him unnecessarily. There's no privacy or copyright issues - otherwise we wouldn't be seeing any speedway clips on the net. And no individual involved can have any grounds for litigation - for, say, defamation - because whatever in shown in the video is, by definition, a record of what happened and maybe of what was said.

 

So go ahead TheOutsider; stick it on t'internet and let's all see what happened. You have nothing to fear except moans from anybody it embarrasses.

[Siggytastic]

I can assure everyone that last nights astonishing events during the Scunthorpe v Ipswich Premier League meeting have been recorded. They will be uploaded.

 

However prior to doing so I would wish to know if there are any wider considerations; with regard to putting the evidence onto a public forum; which may be relevant to any subsequent SCB Enquiry. I have viewed the footage and it is possible to form opinion as regards the incidents; and all ensuing events.

 

Is there any advice out there as to whether this should go onto a public forum at this stage.

 

I am still thinking everything through; but suffice to say at this stage after the superlatives of Scunthorpe v Peterborough a week ago; we left last night stunned and shaking our heads at what we had witnessed.

 

Another thing; read the 2015 Speedway Regulations; you will only get to Page 5 Sect 3.3 to understand that the Referee has greater jurisdiction than he chose to exercise last night. I walked back with Peter Clarke (Referee) to his box; and with no histrionics; respectfully reminded him that he had the power to uphold the code of sportsman ship and proper conduct in the arena and therefore he could exclude Rohan Tungate from the meeting. Had he chosen to do so he would have avoided much of what ensued that further brought the sport into disrepute.

 

Mr Clarke said to me that he had done all that he could in imposing the maximum fine and would be writing his report to the SCB. I beg to differ in his view that he did all he could.

 

I don't know your role at Scunthorpe but you didn't try to influence the ref by reminding him of his powers did you?

Sounds like a great meeting and just a shame I wasn't there.

[keyham]

http://www.scunthorpetelegraph.co.uk/Scunthorpe-Scorpions-meeting-sees-sit-protest/story-27009983-detail/story.html

[PE7Panther]

Interesting viewpoint from Ipswich in their match report but Scunthorpe haven't posted one yet so hard to make comparisons.

Yeah, I just read the Ippo report.

What I'd like clarified is where exactly the 'collision' happened. Tungate is craftily talking about it happening "coming into turns 1 & 2" but which is it?

It sounds like it was somewhere around the 2nd bend. If that's the case I don't see how it could be accidental or unavoidable. On the 1st bend maybe, but not on the 2nd. You've seen more speedway meetings than most BCD; would you agree?

Edited July 18, 2015 by PE7Panther

[hulvik]

One man's hard racer is another man's dirty rider and this goes for all levels of the sport and Josh certainly falls into this category. We as fans like to watch hard exciting racing after all isn't this why we pay out admission fee every meeting. Had the original incident happened during the race it would have been accepted, all be it reluctantly by some as one of those things that happen in speedway But bring a rider off after the end of the of a race is out of order. However what happened at Scunthorpe last night can only be blamed on one person and that is Peter Clark. As referee he was in charge of the whole meeting and not just the racing. Having witnessed the incident experiance should have told him that feelings would be running high. Having felt the Rohan's actions warranted the maxium fine and reporting to the SBC. Peter should have then removed him from the meeting if for no other reason than to calm things down. HE DIDN'T. Had Mr Clark had the courage of his convictions, we as fans would not be on here debating the farcical goings on at Scunthorpe be talking about a decision that on hindsight was hard but fair

Edited July 18, 2015 by hulvik

[Halifaxtiger]

 

 

Another thing; read the 2015 Speedway Regulations; you will only get to Page 5 Sect 3.3 to understand that the Referee has greater jurisdiction than he chose to exercise last night. I walked back with Peter Clarke (Referee) to his box; and with no histrionics; respectfully reminded him that he had the power to uphold the code of sportsman ship and proper conduct in the arena and therefore he could exclude Rohan Tungate from the meeting. Had he chosen to do so he would have avoided much of what ensued that further brought the sport into disrepute.

 

Mr Clarke said to me that he had done all that he could in imposing the maximum fine and would be writing his report to the SCB. I beg to differ in his view that he did all he could.

Completely agree. Tungate should definitely have been thrown out.

 

Had he got the decision right on the first running of heat 10 (and, at the risk of repeating myself, it was very clear one indeed) Auty would not be injured and Tungate facing an enquiry.

 

The sad thing about all this is forgetting all the argy-bargy a fantastic meeting with loads of passing took place last night.

 

No more from me on this one.

 

Again, completely agree.

 

Take out the Tungate incident for a second and that was easily the best meeting I have seen this season.

 

So much for all those whining about the effects of wind and sun on the track.

 

If Scunny can do it, why can't everyone else ?

[mdmc82]

I saw Josh's hand..it certainly didn't look good..all ballooned up, looked a mess to be honest.. be amazed if it ain't broken... I fear his season could be over.

That's terrible esp when this was his comeback meeting from injury. Surely this should be investigated. Peter Clarke yet again could have prevented this. After the mess he made of the Coventry V Poole I'm not surprised though

Edited July 18, 2015 by mdmc82

[spanner47]

So we have all the neutrals saying Josh should have been excluded in the first place, certainly agree with that. As for what happened afterwards, how many times has a rider that's been fenced, get close the next time they meet? Happens all the time, there's no way Rohan intended to knock Josh off, his hand went up to apologise straight away, riders that want to knock someone off, don't apologise the second after it happens.

I think Rohan intended to chuck some shale in Josh's direction.

Or at worst, he intended to give him a nudge. But we'll never know, it was just very unfortunate that Josh fell awkwardly and hurt himself (but having said that, the way he was stomping around he didn't look very injured to me), but it didn't stop him behaving like an idiot 30-40 minutes later.

But what was premeditated was what Wilkinson did, that was not very nice and could have also caused injury.

But the whole incident shouldn't have left us fans standing around doing nothing for that amount of time, the Ref made his decision but it appeared that Scunny wouldn't accept it, but when the boss is a nutcase that doesn't seem to know much about the sport, it's only obvious his employees will follow his lead.

Good meeting apart the that, but Ippo did make hard work of beating a poor side.

Edited July 18, 2015 by spanner47

[Halifaxtiger]

Yeah, I just read the Ippo report.

What I'd like clarified is where exactly the 'collision' happened. Tungate is craftily talking about it happening "coming into turns 1 & 2" but which is it?

It sounds like it was somewhere around the 2nd bend. If that's the case I don't see how it could be accidental or unavoidable. On the 1st bend maybe, but not on the 2nd. You've seen more speedway meetings than most BCD; would you agree?

 

I am not quite sure how it can be coming into turns 1 & 2. Its either turn 1 or turn 2. It happened part way round turn 2.