Fozzie4388 Posted July 17, 2015 Report Share Posted July 17, 2015 My view is an entirely unbiased one. Is yours ? I had no barriers (bar the catch fence) in the way, I was looking at it head on. Auty went from the inside to the outside and straight into Tungate. He might have being trying to block but he completely misjudged it and definitely should have been excluded. Indeed, all four back wasn't just poor, it was laughable. Some riders might get the benefit of the doubt in such a situation but Auty most definitely isn't one of them. I don't think there's anyone in the Speedway Community who can claim to be as Unbiased as you, You travel the whole length of the country watching the sport you love not supporting any particular team but just to be entertained. Anyone whose accusing you of any bias is bonkers. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillwhitewasmad Posted July 17, 2015 Report Share Posted July 17, 2015 Can some one please confirm the gate positions for the auty tun gate incident please So your taking 'the rough with the smooth'. You win some you lose some. Good for you fella. Enjoy Always do love the speedway at scunny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet Posted July 17, 2015 Report Share Posted July 17, 2015 My view is an entirely unbiased one. Is yours ? I had no barriers (bar the catch fence) in the way, I was looking at it head on. Auty went from the inside to the outside and straight into Tungate. He might have being trying to block but he completely misjudged it and definitely should have been excluded. Indeed, all four back wasn't just poor, it was laughable. Some riders might get the benefit of the doubt in such a situation but Auty most definitely isn't one of them. No not unbiased nobody can claim to be fully neutral if they are from where one of the team are. If you claim where you were and saw it all it would have happened halfway round the bend with catchfence and wooden fence in between and coming out that bend and as you know the natural line and speed push you across to the fence. Auty had to cut back to avoid him and had more speedflying past him. As i said it is typical of what happens bend 1/2 especially later in meetings. I take it you saw tungate try to wipe him out on the same bend at the start of the rerun!! And from my position there are no fences in the way!! Not saying your wrong just it was not a dirty move across by josh just racing the line on a cutback after hard but fair riding by tungate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EC Rides Again Posted July 17, 2015 Report Share Posted July 17, 2015 My view is an entirely unbiased one. Is yours ? I had no barriers (bar the catch fence) in the way, I was looking at it head on. Auty went from the inside to the outside and straight into Tungate. He might have being trying to block but he completely misjudged it and definitely should have been excluded. Indeed, all four back wasn't just poor, it was laughable. Some riders might get the benefit of the doubt in such a situation but Auty most definitely isn't one of them. I can't argue with you probably having a better view of the incident from the back straight. I am calling it how I saw it from the terracing on bend one. To call the refs decision "laughable" is a bit strong. He's looking at it from the start line, a worse viewpoint than either yours or mine ! Don't mistake me as an apologist for the ref though, he had a stinker tonight. Can some one please confirm the gate positions for the auty tun gate incident please Tungate off 1 and Auty off 4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillwhitewasmad Posted July 17, 2015 Report Share Posted July 17, 2015 That's what I thought so how come ht says auty came from inside 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EC Rides Again Posted July 17, 2015 Report Share Posted July 17, 2015 That's what I thought so how come ht says auty came from inside See my post #93. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet Posted July 17, 2015 Report Share Posted July 17, 2015 That's what I thought so how come ht says auty came from inside Same question asked by Rob to Chris louis saying how come Tungate was outside josh from gate 1 when Josh was on 4!! And as always gate 1 chasing the dirt and if gate 4 gates there is going to be a incident. Josh cut back to avoid Tungate (luckily gates 2 and 3 were behind otherwise they would have been hit) hence on the inside. Several big crashes have been due to this. Often poor Nike has been involved as the gate 4 rider with gates 1 and 2 going across him its either hit teh fence or cutback hoping you miss them! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neb Posted July 17, 2015 Report Share Posted July 17, 2015 I think he's saying that Tungate hit Auty. Definitely not the way I saw it and, as I have said, Auty has history for making reckless moves that lead to crashes.correct me if i am wrong but was it an auty reckless move that ended the career of an american rider who's name escapes me at workington? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robinh88 Posted July 17, 2015 Report Share Posted July 17, 2015 ingalls Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted July 17, 2015 Report Share Posted July 17, 2015 Im sorry but Auty did not wipe out tungate and i had a much better view not one with several barriers in the way. Tungate went straight across auty trying to block him and auty had to pull hard to cut back to avoid ploughing straight into him. Whether he clipped him coming past it was minimal and not "Turned right". All 4 back is probably correct as it is standard first bend issue with people chasing the dirt except this was done slightly later (and also attempted by tungate in the rerun but he missed as auty went past him) As for after the race that was definitely delibrate and Rohans statement is laughable. It happened coming out of bend 2!! and he kicked the back wheel out to make sure he hit! As for the Lunna/morris incident it was a mechnaic who started the fight not lunna but i would not have blammed lunna if he did. Ash was kicking out at him as they came to the line and almost kicked his head he got his leg up that far. Then on bend 1 after the race he kicked out at Lunna again (which was reported to the ref but whether he does anything about that i unsure) On the flip side though Wilko was as much in the wrong and could have been in big trouble if he had connected with stefan when he kicked out at him even though he could feel aggrieved as stefan came up the inside of him on a track where he was never going to be able to turn tight and took him out. As for the protests i think josh and Rob at most should have been involved it did not require the fans to run on the track to get involved but at the same time what options does the referee have. If he excludes a rider from the meeting in a "Racing incident" is that as far as it can go? if he says its a "Non Racing Incident" and it is referred does that allow for a harsher punishment which in the long term might be the better result but not seen so in the short term when he is allowed to continue in the meeting. Wonder what ipswich will do pretend it never happened?? just say it was accidental like the very laughable statement? last occasions i remember are Ben Powell and scunny sacked him and basically ended his career and richard hall who redcar then sacked Not quite sure what you mean by Morris was kicking out at Lunna as they coming to the line. Do you mean the start line or the finishing line. Either way is possible to nearly kick somone in the head whilst sat or riding a speedway bike? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric i Posted July 18, 2015 Report Share Posted July 18, 2015 Am I correct in saying Josh Auty was in the refs box from heat 11 onwards, if so its not good refereeing practise to have one of the team captains in the refs box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellers101 Posted July 18, 2015 Report Share Posted July 18, 2015 if hes been fined by the ref thats the end of it remember martin dugard getting away with a ban because the ref fined him on the night once for thumping his own friend (at the time ) the name of the swedish rider just dosnt come to mind Stefan Anderson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet Posted July 18, 2015 Report Share Posted July 18, 2015 Not quite sure what you mean by Morris was kicking out at Lunna as they coming to the line. Do you mean the start line or the finishing line. Either way is possible to nearly kick somone in the head whilst sat or riding a speedway bike? Coming to the finish line. And yes his foot was getting that high. I dont think he was aiming there but think with leaning left to get his leg out he has started sliding off the otherside hence his leg coming up (and nikes head down going flat out round the outside so not as high as when generally riding around) Am I correct in saying Josh Auty was in the refs box from heat 11 onwards, if so its not good refereeing practise to have one of the team captains in the refs box. His van left mid ht 13 so dont think he was in there long. Maybe some riders should stay in the box though so they can see what view the ref has and trying to watch all riders not just one! we all critisice the refs but they have to keep an eye on the whole track so sometimes wont catch things clearly. Now if every ref had full tv coverage they could look back but except for tv meetings it is rare so have to try and decide on a brief moments viewing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedwaysliders Posted July 18, 2015 Report Share Posted July 18, 2015 I remember Joe Screen knocking the arm of Jimmy Nielsson (wrong spelling!!) after a race and jimmy fell to the ground but i dont remember what Joe Screen got in the way of a punishment,anyone remember? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neb Posted July 18, 2015 Report Share Posted July 18, 2015 I remember Joe Screen knocking the arm of Jimmy Nielsson (wrong spelling!!) after a race and jimmy fell to the ground but i dont remember what Joe Screen got in the way of a punishment,anyone remember?it was a sky meeting at hull i think and will be on youtube somewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzie4388 Posted July 18, 2015 Report Share Posted July 18, 2015 Hull vs Belle Vue 1999. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted July 18, 2015 Report Share Posted July 18, 2015 (edited) Same question asked by Rob to Chris louis saying how come Tungate was outside josh from gate 1 when Josh was on 4!! And as always gate 1 chasing the dirt and if gate 4 gates there is going to be a incident. Josh cut back to avoid Tungate (luckily gates 2 and 3 were behind otherwise they would have been hit) hence on the inside. Several big crashes have been due to this. Often poor Nike has been involved as the gate 4 rider with gates 1 and 2 going across him its either hit teh fence or cutback hoping you miss them! Tungate did go from gate 1 to gate 4, but Auty went from gate 4 to gate 1 to gate 4. Had they crashed going into the first bend, all four back (or Tungate excluded). But that's not what happened. Tungate got to the outside first, so Auty cut back and went 45 degrees across the track coming out of turn two and ploughed into him. I can't argue with you probably having a better view of the incident from the back straight. I am calling it how I saw it from the terracing on bend one. To call the refs decision "laughable" is a bit strong. He's looking at it from the start line, a worse viewpoint than either yours or mine ! Don't mistake me as an apologist for the ref though, he had a stinker tonight. My view was very good indeed because as Auty exited bend two he was heading straight for me - hence he was heading diagonally across the track from the inside to the outside. I know my mate in the stand on the bend 1 side of the tapes didn't see it at all, so bend 1 wasn't a good view (as my view of Nielsen/Wilkinson wasn't). To be fair, you're right that the referee's start line position wouldn't have been the best place but he's certainly up higher and he can't have missed Auty going from the inside to the outside at 45 degrees straight into Tungate's path. correct me if i am wrong but was it an auty reckless move that ended the career of an american rider who's name escapes me at workington? In the incident with Richard Hall last season, Auty was definitely at fault and it was said at that time that he is notorious for reckless moves that result in crashes and that Hall's reaction might have been provoked by Auty's reputation. That reputation certainly doesn't lend itself to supporting the position that he did nothing wrong here. Edited July 18, 2015 by Halifaxtiger 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odds On Posted July 18, 2015 Report Share Posted July 18, 2015 are there any videos doing the rounds of the incidents? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
771neil Posted July 18, 2015 Report Share Posted July 18, 2015 Wonder if Luna got fined as rule states your responsible for merchanic s action !!! Bet he doesn't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted July 18, 2015 Report Share Posted July 18, 2015 So for the original running of the heat we have EC rides again stating Tungate had momentum off the bend and clipped Autys wheel (so Auty had to be clear ahead) and Scunthorpe Bullet stating Auty went speeding past off the bend ( so Auty clearly behind) A lttle inconsistent?? Think I will stick with the HalifaxTiger neutral view. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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