TheScotsman Posted July 17, 2015 Report Share Posted July 17, 2015 Anyone able to post what actually happened in each of the incidents? Much appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Cooper Posted July 17, 2015 Report Share Posted July 17, 2015 Yep Scunthorpe supporter but I do believe my comments were unbiased don't have a problem losing but never witnessed anything like this sit ins fights good racing poor ref good beer and on a promise from the wifeyour on 2 minutes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSpecialOne Posted July 17, 2015 Report Share Posted July 17, 2015 So your taking 'the rough with the smooth'. You win some you lose some. Good for you fella. Enjoy 👉👌 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted July 17, 2015 Report Share Posted July 17, 2015 your on 2 minutes Broke the tapes!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzie4388 Posted July 17, 2015 Report Share Posted July 17, 2015 Neutral Opinion Heat 3: Wilko and Nielsen was a race incident they happen every meeting one of those decision which could of gone either way, This time it went in the Ipswich riders favour. Wilkinson kicked out at Nielsen as Nielsen passed next time round. Heat 10: First Staging Gate 4 always an advantage at Scunny but Tungate off gate 1 got a great gate and got across to block Auty's run, Auty cut back off bend 2 wiping out Tungate, Auty should of been excluded but this time the ref called in favour of the Scorpion rider with All4back. Re-run after the race Davies and Tungate raced to the line for 2nd went a bit hot into bend 1 and 2 but had time to shut off in my opinion but didn't and rode into the side of Auty purposely in my opinion again but only Tungate knows for certain whether it was purposely done or not. (People could argue if the ref had done his job in first place and excluded Auty the incident may not have happened but no excuse for what Tungate did). Heat 11: All 4 riders at the tapes Auty took it upon himself to stand then sit on the track to stop the race from starting. Gobby Godfrey then decided to join him followed by a handful of Scorpion fans. Till Dave Peet and Richard Hollingsworth seemed to talk some sense into them Then Auty (who supposedly had a broken arm again) Jumps the fence using said arm. Heat 14: Race to the line for 2nd Morris and Lunna going for the line, Morris left his left out trying to stop Lunna's run, After the race Lunna's pit crew came out and jumped on Morris and all hell broke loose again. IMO Wilkinson, Auty, Lunna and Morris should be fined for unsporting behaviour and Tungate got what he deserved a fine the max amount the ref could hand out. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted July 17, 2015 Report Share Posted July 17, 2015 Thanks. All very dramatic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted July 17, 2015 Report Share Posted July 17, 2015 I had a very good view of both incidents as I was part way down the back straight. In the first running of heat 10,Tungate bolted for the outside off gate 1. He made no contact with anyone and was clearly in front. Auty was off gate 4, moved to the inside on the second bend and then turned right and wiped Tungate out. The referee, to my total disbelief, ruled all four back. In the re run, Scunny took a 5-1. As the race finished and the riders slowed round the second bend, Tungate ploughed into Auty and I simply don't believe it was not deliberate. Riders do collide after a race but that is rare and clearly Tungate had a motive to hit Auty. I don't believe he intended to injure him but Tungate must have known that that could be a consequence. Tungate's actions were totally unacceptable. He should be heavily fined, subjected to a lengthy ban and should have been thrown out of the meeting. I should say, though, that I don't have an ounce of sympathy for Auty. He did exactly the same thing to Tungate in the race and, as some have pointed out, he has big history where reckless riding is concerned. Some are rightly blaming the referee, Peter Clarke. Had he got the first decision right and excluded Auty, the Scunny No 1 would not have a suspected broken arm and Tungate would not be facing an SCB enquiry. The decision to allow Tungate to continue to race was ridiculous. I should say that putting this (and the punch up between Lunna and Morris) aside this was a brilliant speedway meeting, easily the best I have seen this season. The racing on a superbly prepared track was simply top draw and I doubt if FTG was mentioned in the updates. I think Rob Godfrey's actions were a bit tongue in cheek but even if they weren't, they were entirely understandable. His team are bottom of the league and struggling for survival and he sees his returning No 1 break an arm in his first meeting back in a totally avoidable incident. Which of us, in such circumstances, would definitely have behaved differently ? 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted July 17, 2015 Report Share Posted July 17, 2015 More thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted July 17, 2015 Report Share Posted July 17, 2015 Neutral Opinion Heat 3: Wilko and Nielsen was a race incident they happen every meeting one of those decision which could of gone either way, This time it went in the Ipswich riders favour. Wilkinson kicked out at Nielsen as Nielsen passed next time round. Heat 10: First Staging Gate 4 always an advantage at Scunny but Tungate off gate 1 got a great gate and got across to block Auty's run, Auty cut back off bend 2 wiping out Tungate, Auty should of been excluded but this time the ref called in favour of the Scorpion rider with All4back. Re-run after the race Davies and Tungate raced to the line for 2nd went a bit hot into bend 1 and 2 but had time to shut off in my opinion but didn't and rode into the side of Auty purposely in my opinion again but only Tungate knows for certain whether it was purposely done or not. (People could argue if the ref had done his job in first place and excluded Auty the incident may not have happened but no excuse for what Tungate did). Heat 11: All 4 riders at the tapes Auty took it upon himself to stand then sit on the track to stop the race from starting. Gobby Godfrey then decided to join him followed by a handful of Scorpion fans. Till Dave Peet and Richard Hollingsworth seemed to talk some sense into them Then Auty (who supposedly had a broken arm again) Jumps the fence using said arm. Heat 14: Race to the line for 2nd Morris and Lunna going for the line, Morris left his left out trying to stop Lunna's run, After the race Lunna's pit crew came out and jumped on Morris and all hell broke loose again. IMO Wilkinson, Auty, Lunna and Morris should be fined for unsporting behaviour and Tungate got what he deserved a fine the max amount the ref could hand out. Neutral!... your Nielsens No1 fan, only reason you were there.. Plus you hate all things Scunthorpe.. can't take your comments seriously, you obviously seen it with an Ipswich bias. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted July 17, 2015 Report Share Posted July 17, 2015 (edited) Neutral!... your Nielsens No1 fan, only reason you were there.. Plus you hate all things Scunthorpe.. can't take your comments seriously, you obviously seen it with an Ipswich bias. I had a poor view of that one but a mate who was on the home straight told me that Nielsen never touched Wilkinson. For what its worth, I think Superstar's account and mine are almost entirely consistent. Edited July 17, 2015 by Halifaxtiger 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EC Rides Again Posted July 17, 2015 Report Share Posted July 17, 2015 Neutral Opinion Heat 3: Wilko and Nielsen was a race incident they happen every meeting one of those decision which could of gone either way, This time it went in the Ipswich riders favour. Wilkinson kicked out at Nielsen as Nielsen passed next time round. Heat 10: First Staging Gate 4 always an advantage at Scunny but Tungate off gate 1 got a great gate and got across to block Auty's run, Auty cut back off bend 2 wiping out Tungate, Auty should of been excluded but this time the ref called in favour of the Scorpion rider with All4back. Re-run after the race Davies and Tungate raced to the line for 2nd went a bit hot into bend 1 and 2 but had time to shut off in my opinion but didn't and rode into the side of Auty purposely in my opinion again but only Tungate knows for certain whether it was purposely done or not. (People could argue if the ref had done his job in first place and excluded Auty the incident may not have happened but no excuse for what Tungate did). Heat 11: All 4 riders at the tapes Auty took it upon himself to stand then sit on the track to stop the race from starting. Gobby Godfrey then decided to join him followed by a handful of Scorpion fans. Till Dave Peet and Richard Hollingsworth seemed to talk some sense into them Then Auty (who supposedly had a broken arm again) Jumps the fence using said arm. Heat 14: Race to the line for 2nd Morris and Lunna going for the line, Morris left his left out trying to stop Lunna's run, After the race Lunna's pit crew came out and jumped on Morris and all hell broke loose again. IMO Wilkinson, Auty, Lunna and Morris should be fined for unsporting behaviour and Tungate got what he deserved a fine the max amount the ref could hand out. Mostly on the money,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, however must disagree about Auty "wiping out Tungate". I was on 1st bend and saw Tungate make a good gate and head straight for the dirt chopping off Auty who started ok from 4. Auty slipped under Tungate to go ahead on 2nd bend and headed fro the back straight fence to block off Tungate's run in a perfectly legitimate move. Tungate clips Auty's back wheel and goes down. Tungate should have been banned for the rest of the meeting. The ref got most things wrong tonight and only added to the rancorous nature of events. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hulvik Posted July 17, 2015 Report Share Posted July 17, 2015 Once again we have no consistence with Refereeing when Richard Hall kicked a rider that was lying on the track he was thrown out of the meeting fined and suspended, Surly knocking another rider off on Purpose is worst. Speedway is a Dangerous enough sport as it is without riders going out of their way to injure others, and referees should have the Courage to enforce the rules to the full existent off the rules and any ride who is just fined on the night and doesn't receive any other punishment is getting off very lightly 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzie4388 Posted July 17, 2015 Report Share Posted July 17, 2015 Neutral!... your Nielsens No1 fan, only reason you were there.. Plus you hate all things Scunthorpe.. can't take your comments seriously, you obviously seen it with an Ipswich bias. I had a poor view of that one but a mate who was on the home straight told me that Nielsen never touched Wilkinson. For what its worth, I think Superstar's account and mine are almost entirely consistent. I rest my case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted July 17, 2015 Report Share Posted July 17, 2015 Mostly on the money,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, however must disagree about Auty "wiping out Tungate". I was on 1st bend and saw Tungate make a good gate and head straight for the dirt chopping off Auty who started ok from 4. Auty slipped under Tungate to go ahead on 2nd bend and headed fro the back straight fence to block off Tungate's run in a perfectly legitimate move. Tungate clips Auty's back wheel and goes down. Tungate should have been banned for the rest of the meeting. The ref got most things wrong tonight and only added to the rancorous nature of events. so you say Auty slipped underneath and headed for the fence and Tungate clipped his back wheel....So thats seems to indicate he actually wiped him out! Its not a perfectly legitinate move if you hit the rider as you try to pass! No excuse for Rohan if his 'revenge' was deliberate though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet Posted July 17, 2015 Report Share Posted July 17, 2015 I had a very good view of both incidents as I was part way down the back straight. In the first running of heat 10,Tungate bolted for the outside off gate 1. He made no contact with anyone and was clearly in front. Auty was off gate 4, moved to the inside on the second bend and then turned right and wiped Tungate out. The referee, to my total disbelief, ruled all four back. In the re run, Scunny took a 5-1. As the race finished and the riders slowed round the second bend, Tungate ploughed into Auty and I simply don't believe it was not deliberate. Riders do collide after a race but that is rare and clearly Tungate had a motive to hit Auty. I don't believe he intended to injure him but Tungate must have known that that could be a consequence. Tungate's actions were totally unacceptable. He should be heavily fined, subjected to a lengthy ban and should have been thrown out of the meeting. I should say, though, that I don't have an ounce of sympathy for Auty. He did exactly the same thing to Tungate in the race and, as some have pointed out, he has big history where reckless riding is concerned. Some are rightly blaming the referee, Peter Clarke. Had he got the first decision right and excluded Auty, the Scunny No 1 would not have a suspected broken arm and Tungate would not be facing an SCB enquiry. The decision to allow Tungate to continue to race was ridiculous. I should say that putting this (and the punch up between Lunna and Morris) aside this was a brilliant speedway meeting, easily the best I have seen this season. The racing on a superbly prepared track was simply top draw and I doubt if FTG was mentioned in the updates. Im sorry but Auty did not wipe out tungate and i had a much better view not one with several barriers in the way. Tungate went straight across auty trying to block him and auty had to pull hard to cut back to avoid ploughing straight into him. Whether he clipped him coming past it was minimal and not "Turned right". All 4 back is probably correct as it is standard first bend issue with people chasing the dirt except this was done slightly later (and also attempted by tungate in the rerun but he missed as auty went past him) As for after the race that was definitely delibrate and Rohans statement is laughable. It happened coming out of bend 2!! and he kicked the back wheel out to make sure he hit! As for the Lunna/morris incident it was a mechnaic who started the fight not lunna but i would not have blammed lunna if he did. Ash was kicking out at him as they came to the line and almost kicked his head he got his leg up that far. Then on bend 1 after the race he kicked out at Lunna again (which was reported to the ref but whether he does anything about that i unsure) On the flip side though Wilko was as much in the wrong and could have been in big trouble if he had connected with stefan when he kicked out at him even though he could feel aggrieved as stefan came up the inside of him on a track where he was never going to be able to turn tight and took him out. As for the protests i think josh and Rob at most should have been involved it did not require the fans to run on the track to get involved but at the same time what options does the referee have. If he excludes a rider from the meeting in a "Racing incident" is that as far as it can go? if he says its a "Non Racing Incident" and it is referred does that allow for a harsher punishment which in the long term might be the better result but not seen so in the short term when he is allowed to continue in the meeting. Wonder what ipswich will do pretend it never happened?? just say it was accidental like the very laughable statement? last occasions i remember are Ben Powell and scunny sacked him and basically ended his career and richard hall who redcar then sacked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted July 17, 2015 Report Share Posted July 17, 2015 so you say Auty slipped underneath and headed for the fence and Tungate clipped his back wheel.... So thats seems to indicate he actually wiped him out! Its not a perfectly legitinate move if you hit the rider as you try to pass! No excuse for Rohan if his 'revenge' was deliberate though. I think he's saying that Tungate hit Auty. Definitely not the way I saw it and, as I have said, Auty has history for making reckless moves that lead to crashes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric i Posted July 17, 2015 Report Share Posted July 17, 2015 Are the SCB likely to do anything? Ipswitch must be confident thats they end of the matter or they wouldn't of put Tungate in heat 15, if his points are deducted from his last 2 rides it will be a draw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
771neil Posted July 17, 2015 Report Share Posted July 17, 2015 (edited) Heat 3: Wilko and Nielsen was a race incident they happen every meeting one of those decision which could of gone either way, This time it went in the Ipswich riders favour. Wilkinson kicked out at Nielsen as Nielsen passed next time round. Heat 10: First Staging Gate 4 always an advantage at Scunny but Tungate off gate 1 got a great gate and got across to block Auty's run, Auty cut back off bend 2 wiping out Tungate, Auty should of been excluded but this time the ref called in favour of the Scorpion rider with All4back. Re-run after the race Davies and Tungate raced to the linepurposely done or not. (People could argue if the ref had done his job in first place and excluded Auty the incident may not have happened but no excuse for what Tungate did). Heat 11: All 4 riders at the tapes Auty took it upon himself to stand then sit on the track to stop the race from starting. Gobby Godfrey then decided to join him followed by a handful of Scorpion fans. Till Dave Peet and Richard Hollingsworth seemed to talk some sense into them Then Auty (who supposedly had a broken arm again) Jumps the fence using said arm. Heat 14: Race to the line for 2nd Morris and Lunna going for the line, Morris left his left out trying to stop Lunna's run, After the race Lunna's pit crew came out and jumped on Morris and all hell broke loose again. IMO Wilkinson, Auty, Lunna and Morris should be fined for unsporting behaviour and Tungate got what he deserved a fine the max amount the ref could hand out. Edited July 17, 2015 by 771neil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted July 17, 2015 Report Share Posted July 17, 2015 Im sorry but Auty did not wipe out tungate and i had a much better view not one with several barriers in the way. Tungate went straight across auty trying to block him and auty had to pull hard to cut back to avoid ploughing straight into him. Whether he clipped him coming past it was minimal and not "Turned right". All 4 back is probably correct as it is standard first bend issue with people chasing the dirt except this was done slightly later (and also attempted by tungate in the rerun but he missed as auty went past him) My view is an entirely unbiased one. Is yours ? I had no barriers (bar the catch fence) in the way, I was looking at it head on. Auty went from the inside to the outside and straight into Tungate. He might have being trying to block but he completely misjudged it and definitely should have been excluded. Indeed, all four back wasn't just poor, it was laughable. Some riders might get the benefit of the doubt in such a situation but Auty most definitely isn't one of them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EC Rides Again Posted July 17, 2015 Report Share Posted July 17, 2015 so you say Auty slipped underneath and headed for the fence and Tungate clipped his back wheel.... So thats seems to indicate he actually wiped him out! Its not a perfectly legitinate move if you hit the rider as you try to pass! No excuse for Rohan if his 'revenge' was deliberate though. I saw it as Auty was ahead of Tungate but that Tungate was going off the bend with the faster momentum and runs out of room clipping Auty to fall. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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