Red Panda Posted July 24, 2015 Report Share Posted July 24, 2015 It was Coventry v Poole on Sky when the home team walked out. For the record on that one he was not the referee Christina Turnbull was............he was the second official as required at Sky meetings................he refused to do a track walk and when Mick Horton said on camera if you re run heat 9 then you may as well run heat ten that was the undoing of that meeting.............. For once Poole are blameless..................and the meeting should never have gone ahead in the first place........... RP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted July 24, 2015 Report Share Posted July 24, 2015 A polite post to all the imbeciles who have posted over the previous pages libellous comments about the BSPA management committee. It`s about time people realise that the referees are employed by the Speedway control bureau(SCB) and it`s this body that deal with disciplinary matters such as this. It`s obviously true that there are members of the BSPA on the board of the SCB but if anyone thinks for instance if there was a hearing about Edinburgh then Alex Harkess would be involved in any decision making process then they are seriously deluded. Although in essence there is little or no difference between the BSPA as a collective, the MC as a subsection of the BSPA and the SCB as the BSPA wolf in sheep's clothing. Whilst technically separate and with different spans of control there is no significant disconnect between all three when it comes to the day to day running of the sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted July 24, 2015 Report Share Posted July 24, 2015 (edited) Although in essence there is little or no difference between the BSPA as a collective, the MC as a subsection of the BSPA and the SCB as the BSPA wolf in sheep's clothing. Whilst technically separate and with different spans of control there is no significant disconnect between all three when it comes to the day to day running of the sport. Sorry do not agree with most of that-this is taken from the SCB website " Financed entirely by fees generated through the issue of Track Licences, Rider Registrations and Officials Licences the SCB seeks to act as the independent body to ensure that the BSPA, Member’s Tracks, Riders and Officials all act within the Rules and Regulations of the SCB and most importantly within the best interest of Speedway motorcycle racing." This I believe is carried out without interference from the BSPA. Edited July 24, 2015 by racers and royals 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedy bill Posted July 24, 2015 Report Share Posted July 24, 2015 Cant believe the little arse Tungate got away with such a short ban, he went from gate one and caused Auty to take avoiding action in the first running of heat 10 then was surprised when he fell after contact was made.It was his fault and he should have been excluded,then to blatantly knock Auty off after the race was disgusting.He should be banned as long as it takes Auty to get back racing he took his living away so should be prevented from making a living himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted July 24, 2015 Report Share Posted July 24, 2015 Sorry do not agree with most of that-this is taken from the SCB website " Financed entirely by fees generated through the issue of Track Licences, Rider Registrations and Officials Licences the SCB seeks to act as the independent body to ensure that the BSPA, Member’s Tracks, Riders and Officials all act within the Rules and Regulations of the SCB and most importantly within the best interest of Speedway motorcycle racing." This I believe is carried out without interference from the BSPA. How can it be independent and run without interference when it has multiple common members with the BSPA?? Even with the best will in the world despite the obvious good intentions of the statement you have posted it just isn't possible IMO. Cant believe the little arse Tungate got away with such a short ban, he went from gate one and caused Auty to take avoiding action in the first running of heat 10 then was surprised when he fell after contact was made.It was his fault and he should have been excluded,then to blatantly knock Auty off after the race was disgusting.He should be banned as long as it takes Auty to get back racing he took his living away so should be prevented from making a living himself. Utter tripe!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted July 24, 2015 Report Share Posted July 24, 2015 How can it be independent and run without interference when it has multiple common members with the BSPA?? Even with the best will in the world despite the obvious good intentions of the statement you have posted it just isn't possible IMO. Utter tripe!! 2 which is the minority in the 5 member board-more un-founded accusations 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted July 24, 2015 Report Share Posted July 24, 2015 2 which is the minority in the 5 member board-more un-founded accusations Independent does not mean a 40% crossover. And by definition if 40% of the SCB are the BSPA it cannot act without interference. Nothing unfounded in any of that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted July 24, 2015 Report Share Posted July 24, 2015 Do you actually think before you type?Yet more paranoid ramblings ..you seem to think this is some sort of (pardon the pun) Ippo Witchunt and that it's the evil Monarchs Empire running the BSPA/SCB ITV BBC etc etc..Your rider Mr Tungate was tried got found out and punished but you're trying to turn this around and blame everyone when it's a rider from your team, who through his actions broke another riders arm.Some on here have even inferred that because it was Josh Auty he had it coming to him.. Dearo dear thats sad..one thing i will say Mr Lily Savagewitch is that your posts are at least entertaining in a weird sort of way..where have I said its a witch hunt? Where have I blamed Edinburgh? I'm simply saying that wether anyone agrees or disagrees with the ban for Tungate , it is quite clear that Sam Masters did far worse. Am I corect in that or are you happy to see your riders punch a stricken rider while he lies on the ground possibly injured? I suggest before you type try reading what people have wrote. I'm sure them you can actually have an adult conversation because you quite clearly struggle to do so 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainAudi Posted July 24, 2015 Report Share Posted July 24, 2015 Also is the reason that the Masters / Bjerre incident hasn't been reviewed on video is because the people videoing the meetings at Edinburgh would quite like to be invited back every week? /quote] Our videos are made in house by mike hunter, so unsure wether that would constitute a "professional" video or not. Mike does a fine job either way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted July 24, 2015 Report Share Posted July 24, 2015 Cant believe the little arse Tungate got away with such a short ban, he went from gate one and caused Auty to take avoiding action in the first running of heat 10 then was surprised when he fell after contact was made.It was his fault and he should have been excluded,then to blatantly knock Auty off after the race was disgusting.He should be banned as long as it takes Auty to get back racing he took his living away so should be prevented from making a living himself.This has to be a whined up surely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert72 Posted July 24, 2015 Report Share Posted July 24, 2015 (edited) For all that the video shows what it does, I think this sets really dangerous precedent. Consider this. If it was Auty who had taken revenge on Tungate for something, would the video evidence have been forthcoming? it is far more likely that a race will be recorded by a home fan given the ratio of home to away support and not many home fans would want to convict their own rider. Also is the reason that the Masters / Bjerre incident hasn't been reviewed on video is because the people videoing the meetings at Edinburgh would quite like to be invited back every week? Would GRT media supply video that showed a Newcastle Berwick Worky or Sheffield rider breaking the rules? Would rerun do the same at Ipswich etc etc Given that every meeting is not on official video then IMO NO video should be used (unless it's on TV) to convict a rider if the ref misses an incident. It just is not fair or consistent. I think the man who is in charge of the videoing at Edinburgh is also a director of the club. Maybe you should order a copy to see if the incident is clear to see or been edited out. Saying that would you want your own rider banned that could cost your team. I think masters should be banned. Edited July 24, 2015 by robert72 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebaron Posted July 24, 2015 Report Share Posted July 24, 2015 (edited) For all that the video shows what it does, I think this sets really dangerous precedent. Consider this. If it was Auty who had taken revenge on Tungate for something, would the video evidence have been forthcoming? it is far more likely that a race will be recorded by a home fan given the ratio of home to away support and not many home fans would want to convict their own rider. Also is the reason that the Masters / Bjerre incident hasn't been reviewed on video is because the people videoing the meetings at Edinburgh would quite like to be invited back every week? Would GRT media supply video that showed a Newcastle Berwick Worky or Sheffield rider breaking the rules? Would rerun do the same at Ipswich etc etc Given that every meeting is not on official video then IMO NO video should be used (unless it's on TV) to convict a rider if the ref misses an incident. It just is not fair or consistent. Answer to your first question Funny man. YES! as far as we are concerned theres no agenda against Rohan Tungate we rate and respect him as a rider. So it was sad to see things turn out as they did. Equally with the situation reversed we would not have backed our rider injurying Rohan in a deliberate action. Whether he intended it to result in injury or not. Indeed Rob has put on record he would have sacked any Scunthorpe rider doing such a thing. A precedent existed with Ben Powell as has been discussed in this thread Edited July 24, 2015 by the outsider 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted July 25, 2015 Report Share Posted July 25, 2015 So - Outsider Did you record all 15 heats and slow down laps? Do you have footage of 'Wilkogate'? Will you post it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted July 25, 2015 Report Share Posted July 25, 2015 (edited) So - Outsider Did you record all 15 heats and slow down laps? Do you have footage of 'Wilkogate'? Will you post it? thats not the issue here . the person just happened to be filming the speedway and caught the footage required to put the record straight.. tungates description of the post race events did not match up to what was on the video. so tungates LIED to speedway officials , as have a fair few ippo supporters that were supposed to be there. gav is one supporter who had talks with the scunny fans. but as yet , he has failed to say if he was there at the meeting or not. gavs failure to reply to any communication from me admitting he was not there. just doing a tungate and building up a fantasy case with lies. as regards masters. i don't think e/bra would give up any footage of the incident with bjerre/masters. unless it ws asked for by an official bspa/scb..would you? so outsider, if you have footage of any other incidents, keep it to yourself and let the witches fans sweat it out for eternity. i would. your gain, watches lose. let it drop. the initial case was found in auty,s favour. tungate lied. ippo fans couldn't see the wood for the trees and fabricated a story like bed time stories . . Louis need to go to specsavers and the ref needs to watch the meeting in its entirety..will we learn from this , no i doubt it. now there is a small matter of the 4s to deal with. all in a days work, all in a days work.. So - Outsider Did you record all 15 heats and slow down laps? Do you have footage of 'Wilkogate'? Will you post it? you have a chocolate sweet and you cay get the wrapper off and you need someone with better skills to unwrap it. its no good stamping up and dowm just because you cant get any one to unwrap it for you. better off waiting until you find one that does not need unwrapping. see what i am saying ? Edited July 25, 2015 by jenga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted July 25, 2015 Report Share Posted July 25, 2015 Jenga - my post you quoted is not about Rohan. I have accepted his ban a moved on - as have the majority of Witches fans. The SCB found against him and acted accordingly. My post was in response to Outsiders claim that had it been the other way round he wouldnt withhold the footage. So I simply asked IF there was any of the Wilko incident and if so would he please post it. Im happy to take his word if there is none. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted July 25, 2015 Report Share Posted July 25, 2015 ok d.f.t.t.t.f.t.o.b. (few).. miss read it. thought you were asking the impossible question, to which there is no answer. sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PE7Panther Posted July 25, 2015 Report Share Posted July 25, 2015 (edited) Is this setting a dangerous precedence, precedent will video evidence be used to determine who cause crashes and issue them with bans when reviewed by BSPA after the event if a Promoter files a complaint.Tungate appears to have been out of order but like other posters comment that has happened before.Auty is no angel on occasions I have seen him ride but that's Speedway and it is a dangerous sport. http://grammar.about.com/od/alightersideofwriting/a/Precedence-And-Precedents.htm Edited July 25, 2015 by PE7Panther Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
June Posted July 25, 2015 Report Share Posted July 25, 2015 So - Outsider Did you record all 15 heats and slow down laps? Do you have footage of 'Wilkogate'? Will you post it? I wouldn't go there if I was you! Where we were stood we had a brill view Stephan going faster than wilko into the bend, he gave wilko a dam good clout and off he come! not deliberate, racing accident! that we see often, we did expect Stephan to get excluded. Wilko went for him, but it didn't turn out to be a fight. Look away for a second and you'd have missed it! Ref excluded Wilko. your gain! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted July 25, 2015 Report Share Posted July 25, 2015 Fair enough June - but as yet we have not had the benefit of forming our own opinions. Thanks for letting us which one we are allowed to have though! wink Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanner47 Posted July 25, 2015 Report Share Posted July 25, 2015 (edited) So - Outsider Did you record all 15 heats and slow down laps? Do you have footage of 'Wilkogate'? Will you post it? I wouldn't go there if I was you! Where we were stood we had a brill view Stephan going faster than wilko into the bend, he gave wilko a dam good clout and off he come! not deliberate, racing accident! that we see often, we did expect Stephan to get excluded. Wilko went for him, but it didn't turn out to be a fight. Look away for a second and you'd have missed it! Ref excluded Wilko. your gain! Sorry June, not the way we saw it. Stefan took the lead and turned left, Wilko should have shut off or gone wider. Whether Stefan made the straight a bit longer is anyone's guess, but didn't appear to, Howarth and Harris in the British final spring to mind, but the rider in the lead will always get the benefit. So no ban for Wilko, what about Mr Godfrey? Surely the ref must have sent a report in about his behaviour, never heard anything like it. Edited July 25, 2015 by spanner47 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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