thebaron Posted July 19, 2015 Report Share Posted July 19, 2015 (edited) All very interesting: my view of the first Ht10 run is that Tungate moves across from gate1 to the outside where Josh was. To avoid piling into Tungate; Josh has to cut back inside;Tungate has nowhere to go on turn2 but down. At that we expected Josh to be excluded you here this on the vid. Ref looked to have red light on. We did not necessarily agree; but we thought that would be the outcome from where we were. But all4back! Ok we'll take that. In the re-run the Scorps take charge Josh finishes with plenty to spare on Tungate. Alex is the one under more pressure in the race but covers it. Thing is Tungate is irked by what happened earlier. Over the line and instead of coming to a gradual halt; Tungate; carelessley allows his bike to carry on that bit. Intention is to cock a snoot at Josh and run close to him. But its running on and as he passes so close his rear wheel flicks at Josh and it wipes him out. To be fair to Tungate; I do not think he set out to injure Josh. But there was an element of malice simmering. I say this because: he does not go back to check on Josh's well being after the collision he rides back to the pits as if uncaring. Thats what marks it down as an unprofessional and unsporting action by Tungate on the "field of play" and why he should have been excluded from the meeting. Section5 of the Regs allows the Ref to take that action. Mr Clarke for reasons only he knows gets himself in knots and shys away from exercising control of the meeting. From there chaos reigns; so for me Tungate has to be excluded from the meeting from that point. Then the proceedings are "under control" and Mr Clarke would have avoided the disappointing aftermath for everyone. You know there was so much great racing out there to enthuse over. This following on from the fantastic finale the week before. Then all this just leaves you scratching your head and dumb founded as you make your way home. We'll be back next Friday though and I suggest you are too. Keep backing the team. Come on you Scorps. Hope your ok Josh all the best. Footnote: Mr Clarke in his defence did not have the benefit of the video though and was probably looking down to his programme as it happened. If he missed it he is like anyone one of us questioning what happened. Without the benefit of the replay he only calls what "he sees" and despite claims and counter claims uses the fine and report fallback option. Should all meetings be on a tv monitor for the Referees benefit? Would make sense for everyone! Edited July 19, 2015 by the outsider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Django Posted July 19, 2015 Report Share Posted July 19, 2015 As someone who has no love lost for Josh Auty following the incident with poor Kenny Ingalls I've got to say that Tungate could have avoided him pretty easily. He did wind it on into him in my opinion. Auty should have gone in the original race though. Tungate should have been thrown out of that meeting 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted July 19, 2015 Report Share Posted July 19, 2015 Footnote: Mr Clarke in his defence did not have the benefit of the video though and was probably looking down to his programme as it happened. If he missed it he is like anyone one of us questioning what happened. Without the benefit of the replay he only calls what "he sees" and despite claims and counter claims uses the fine and report fallback option. Should all meetings be on a tv monitor for the Referees benefit? Would make sense for everyone! I think what you say is absolutely fair point. I don't think anyone would blame Peter Clarke if he missed the incident. The thing is though is if he wasn't satisfied that Tungate had done anything wrong, why did he impose a maximum fine ? From that, you can only conclude that he was satisfied that that was the case and therefore should have excluded him from the rest of the meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted July 19, 2015 Report Share Posted July 19, 2015 after looking at the video of the auty/tungate doo. it seems strange that tungate cant kill his speed going out of the 2nd bend. everyone else has ... to me its a blatant side swipe at auty with the intention of causing injury and harm to both man and machine . the big give away is rohans reaction when he heads back to the pits. not going over to auty and seeing if he was ok after his RACING incident. .. surely any one with an ounce of good in their soul would have gone over to auty and said sorry .. he couldn't wait to get back into the pits and in the comfort of his pit crew. auty should have possibly gone for the carbon copy of his move on tungate in the first running of ht 10. last night at workington we witnessed a very close finish between 2 riders, rosan and williamson. both riders were still flat out after the finich line , but they both managed to kill their speed by mid 1st and 2d bend. the other rider , konopka had already slowed down , but yet both riders managed to stay upright without any other happenings . also rene bach fell in ht 9 and could not clear the track in time. ...red lights came on as hanson was about to go round neilson (bend1 ) all rider managed to miss rene. . why couldn't tungate not miss auty EXITING the 2nd bend , almost on the straight ? from a non supporter of both teams, i would honestly say tungate defiantly aimed at tungate with the intention of doing damaged . auty is no angel and some may say he had it coming , but not after a race. i can understand hard racing in a race, but after a race is when revenge kicks in and becomes violence with a weapon.pity we didst see video evidence of the sit down protest, you know auty with his broken arm and stuff. a lot of choice words from some supporters after the race. didnt see ash morris do his kung foo kick. ( to his opponents head ) while sitting on his bike. flexible kid that morris. but a nice un. so there you have it. tungate done it on purpose yet another Australian liar, backed up by blinkered English liars... 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WembleyLion Posted July 19, 2015 Report Share Posted July 19, 2015 As someone who has no love lost for Josh Auty following the incident with poor Kenny Ingalls I've got to say that Tungate could have avoided him pretty easily. He did wind it on into him in my opinion. Auty should have gone in the original race though. Tungate should have been thrown out of that meeting Like you I am no fan of Auty but it seems to me that Tungate clearly wished to make his displeasure known although I doubt he had intended the consequences that ensued. Had he immediately turned around to check on Auty I think more people might have been willing to give him the benefit of doubt. However, it's far from the worst of things I have seen riders do to each other on and off track. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillwhitewasmad Posted July 19, 2015 Report Share Posted July 19, 2015 The Morris lunna incident from my view was as lunna want to pass Morris stuck out his leg to close the gap was it a kick or just games men ship only Morris knows he did tho connect with lunna on his left side causing him to hit the fence with his elbow could of been worse but thankfully wasn't ,what went on after probably wouldn't of happened if the auty tungate incident hadn't happened tensions running high Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrimmy Posted July 19, 2015 Report Share Posted July 19, 2015 Shads yes I was above the track stood on the verandah between bends 1 -2 great view of it from there 😉 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted July 19, 2015 Report Share Posted July 19, 2015 This meeting could supply question of sports what happens next for nearly a whole series Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted July 19, 2015 Report Share Posted July 19, 2015 Some people seem to think Tungate was justified because of Auty's reputation and the unproven claim that 'he didn't really mean it.' So am I to assume that they would come to a different conclusion if the recipient had been someone other than Auty? The fact is that Tungate should face an enquiry and be prepared to accept whatever consequences they decide to impose. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted July 19, 2015 Report Share Posted July 19, 2015 (edited) Some people seem to think Tungate was justified because of Auty's reputation and the unproven claim that 'he didn't really mean it.' So am I to assume that they would come to a different conclusion if the recipient had been someone other than Auty? The fact is that Tungate should face an enquiry and be prepared to accept whatever consequences they decide to impose. Who Tungate ran into is completely irrelevant. I think the point made by some - including me - is that Auty did exactly the same thing during the first running and has a reputation for it. No-one wants to see a rider injured, but someone prepared to make reckless moves that result in crashes for others might just think twice about doing it again if they are on the receiving end. Edited July 19, 2015 by Halifaxtiger 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted July 19, 2015 Report Share Posted July 19, 2015 Who Tungate ran into is completely irrelevant. I think the point made by some - including me - is that Auty did exactly the same thing during the first running and has a reputation for it. No-one wants to see a rider injured, but someone prepared to make reckless moves that result in crashes for others might just think twice about doing it again if they are on the receiving end. Sorry, I completely disagree. Two wrongs don't make a right. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted July 19, 2015 Report Share Posted July 19, 2015 Is josh actually okay? Did he break anything? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebaron Posted July 19, 2015 Report Share Posted July 19, 2015 (edited) Is josh actually okay? Did he break anything? Great point in all this can we know how Josh is. Rob did say his arm was broken again that was just a right sickner. Update anyone or Josh ? Edited July 19, 2015 by the outsider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scaramanga Posted July 19, 2015 Report Share Posted July 19, 2015 you would think if he had broke his arm he would have went to hospiat rather than make a protest as for whatever happened incidents during the race can be put down to all sorts poor riding bad/dangerous riding adrenaline but after race incidents are a totaly different thing and in my opinion more serious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted July 19, 2015 Report Share Posted July 19, 2015 A nice ban for Tungate coming up I assume. The video has him bang to rights. He wasn't even in a race for 2nd. He was that far behind that Davies knocked the throttle off before the line which is exactly what Tungate should have done. He knew he was never catching Davies but he wanted to take Auty out though & kept it wound on coming all the way out of bend two on a big track like Scunthorpe! Ha ha ha I think the no apology or hand up gives it away even further. Some of the Berks on here calling it inconclusive are comical. Tungate has about 250m to knock the throttle off from coming out of turn four to half way down the back straight but decides not to & "accidentally" knocks into a rider he just had a first bend incident with. Looks like he flicks the back wheel as well. No affinity to any club or rider but Tungate should be facing a ban. Very very dangerous. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted July 19, 2015 Report Share Posted July 19, 2015 Having looked at the footage again and again, I would say that Tungate is guilty of taking Josh off. I think the question is what was the intent. To me it looks as though he has flicked his back wheel to spray Josh with dirt from the track. Unfortunately the move appears to be got wrong and he has caught Josh and to his front wheel. Of course if the referee had have done his job properly either Josh or Tungate should have been excluded from the first running of the heat. What happened afterwards was down to the referee not taking the action initially. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted July 19, 2015 Report Share Posted July 19, 2015 When any rider gets the trap from gate one and rides that wide across the track he's putting himself in a vulnerable position deep on turn two, whilst at the same time he's also dictating which lines the others have to take.... Josh was only taking the natural racing line dictated to him at that given point. Can't see any reason from that angle, which is pretty similar to the refs view, why people should think josh had been wreckless causing tungate to fall.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted July 19, 2015 Report Share Posted July 19, 2015 A nice ban for Tungate coming up I assume. The video has him bang to rights. He wasn't even in a race for 2nd. He was that far behind that Davies knocked the throttle off before the line which is exactly what Tungate should have done. He knew he was never catching Davies but he wanted to take Auty out though & kept it wound on coming all the way out of bend two on a big track like Scunthorpe! Ha ha ha I think the no apology or hand up gives it away even further. Some of the Berks on here calling it inconclusive are comical. Tungate has about 250m to knock the throttle off from coming out of turn four to half way down the back straight but decides not to & "accidentally" knocks into a rider he just had a first bend incident with. Looks like he flicks the back wheel as well. No affinity to any club or rider but Tungate should be facing a ban. Very very dangerous. The whole track is only 285 metres. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
June Posted July 19, 2015 Report Share Posted July 19, 2015 The majority of fans don't see or get to know of what happens on track or in the pits between riders. We accept refs decisions, not always agree but as in this instant the meeting continues all 4 back ht 10 re-run. We fans lose no sleep over what we cannot see, even if a glimpse of a hand or foot used by a rider. The re-run as you can see from the video was a brilliant race. Josh had a good clear lead throughout, it was Alex who was fighting to defend his position and did so successfully to get a 5.1 score for the Scorps. Then all hell let loose to see the charge made by Tungate on Josh who had slowed down and was acknowledging the crowds applause... not a pretty sight! fans should not have to tolerate bully tactics when a race has finished. We do advertise the fact that Speedway is a family sport so no rider should get away without being penalized with a ban. That hurts more than a fine! Someone will pay the fines and half the time it won't be the rider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bash Posted July 19, 2015 Report Share Posted July 19, 2015 Can't see any reason from that angle, which is pretty similar to the refs view, why people should think josh had been wreckless causing tungate to fall.... Because some of your own fans admitted he should've been excluded for taking Tungate out. The ref should've excluded Auty because it was not first bend bunching as it happened coming out of second bend and shouldn't be all four back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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