SCB Posted July 23, 2015 Report Share Posted July 23, 2015 For God's sake Ippo followers accept it and move on. You are starting to sound a bit petulant now. You will be stronger without him anyway. I noticed Spud Summers raced back to the pits tonight when he beat Tungate - no slowing down for him! TBF, while I disagree with them on Tungate (he did it, he's guilty IMO) they are right that all the other incidents are also against the rules. And as much as I know I would have done the same as Rob Godfrey and sat on the track that night, it cannot be allowed to go unpunished. But I'm sure if you banned him for 21 days he'd be quite happy as he's not be making any more losses for 21 day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted July 23, 2015 Report Share Posted July 23, 2015 Ippo still gain though. Tungate scored points after heat 10 to give them the win and they'll have guests to replace him in the league matches. Only in the 4's will they lose out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted July 23, 2015 Report Share Posted July 23, 2015 No hope for the sport when the management committee includes promoters who encourage & participate in unprofessional & childish behaviour. Amateur antics for an amateur sport. I'll look forward to seeing Jose Mourinho staging a sit-in in the centre circle next time he disagrees with a ref's decision & inviting the fans onto the pitch with him. i think jose has had a good few meetings with the 4th official on the touch line at many a footie match. didn't do any sit downs though. he didn't want to get grass stains on his suit.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert72 Posted July 23, 2015 Report Share Posted July 23, 2015 So do Scunthorpe. MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE Alex Harkess (Edinburgh) remains as Chairman for the last of his six-year stint in the position. Chris Van Straaten (Wolverhampton) takes over as Vice-Chairman, with George English (Newcastle) and Rob Godfrey (Scunthorpe) remaining on the Management Committee. Former vice-chairman Jon Cook (Lakeside) did not stand for re-election, with Keith Chapman (King’s Lynn) joining the Management Committee. The reserve member, to cover any absence across the Association, will be David Hemsley (Leicester). So with masters having 2 of his boses on that list he was safe and with godfrey on that board then tungate had No chance, speedway has always been about bully tactics by those in power and not down to common sense and the good of the sport. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted July 23, 2015 Report Share Posted July 23, 2015 Ippo still gain though. Tungate scored points after heat 10 to give them the win and they'll have guests to replace him in the league matches. Only in the 4's will they lose out. and then lose tonight. all that good work.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted July 23, 2015 Report Share Posted July 23, 2015 So with masters having 2 of his boses on that list he was safe and with godfrey on that board then tungate had No chance, speedway has always been about bully tactics by those in power and not down to common sense and the good of the sport. Great isn't it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebaron Posted July 23, 2015 Report Share Posted July 23, 2015 I think that, as only those with prior accreditation may engage in any photography at a licensed speedway, your illegal actions might get you an official warning if you try to 'present' it as evidence. The rule-book already says (14.9.2) the only acceptable video evidence is that of a recognised company, specifying that in the absence of such evidence decisions have to be made without referral to any (unrecognised) video or replay. Think this is impossible to police in any arena given we all have phones Same rules apply at FA and Football League games; Rock and Pop Concerts but folks use cameras and phones unabaited. In essence without the phone footage on Friday everyone would be still scratching their head on ScunGate; and indeed the promotion appealed for anyone who may have filmed it. I do agree there should be official cameras at all Speedway Meetings with a feed to the Refs box.I went to a Greyhound meeting recently and they manage to film every race and playback to officials and punters. Speedway needs to adopt this as part of the meeting process to help the Referee run the meeting properly. They are only human and can miss things like we all can. Seems it is being reported that Rohan Tungate has recieved a 21 day ban. If correct then have his points been expunged because for me that would seem to follow?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bash Posted July 23, 2015 Report Share Posted July 23, 2015 Ippo still gain though. Tungate scored points after heat 10 to give them the win and they'll have guests to replace him in the league matches. Only in the 4's will they lose out. I thought you only get a guest if two of your riders are out. Think we will only get Mr R/R which makes us weaker with Gino & Cam still struggling. The corrupt MC strike again, should be impartial people not promoters of clubs. With inconsistent decisions from the MC no wonder fans are walking away from the sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aroundtheboards Posted July 23, 2015 Report Share Posted July 23, 2015 (edited) I'm glad I'm down 'ere in Zumerzet !!! Edited July 23, 2015 by Aroundtheboards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Blue Posted July 24, 2015 Report Share Posted July 24, 2015 Actually disagree with that Superblue - if you genuinely feel so strongly I think you should make a stand even it it is outside normal acceptable means. Disagree or not it still goes to show that acting like a 5 year old having a tantrum can get you somewhere when you have an influential member on a committee . The whole thing smacks of influence , bias , corruption and revenge to me ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted July 24, 2015 Report Share Posted July 24, 2015 Dangerous word to be using - "corrupt". Maybe tungate got off lightly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Posted July 24, 2015 Report Share Posted July 24, 2015 The 'Scotsman' .........you're obviously not happy with the punishment administered? Let's not f*ck about any more, let's just get him hung, drawn and quartered! While it's being done, perhaps you could get a life. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted July 24, 2015 Report Share Posted July 24, 2015 (edited) I'm glad I'm down 'ere in Zumerzet !!! so are we lol. IF it wasn't for the video of the incident shown on this forum, it would have been swept under the carpet. but as it was seen by most of the uk speedway world, in the true fans eyes and the fans who are genuine and know a little bit about what's right and wrong. mr tungates actions were deemed dangerous and unprofessional for our sport. hence the ban. the true fans spoke out in displeasure of tungates actions and a satisfactory outcome has been reached. apart from josh missing the closing months of the season... if video footage had been available about the sam masters incident i have no doubt that there would have been the same reaction from the same fans (including ippo fans ) i dont know if the incident took place at m/bra or where ever.. its prob too late for action now so looks like that one is under the carpet. anyhow , ippo have been punished for their riders actions not just in a fine and a ban. but also for up and coming fixtures in league/fours etc . one small mans actions are having severe consequences on the witches season. Edited July 24, 2015 by jenga 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesB Posted July 24, 2015 Report Share Posted July 24, 2015 It is clear that Tungate went after Auty post race in a similar way that Nicholls went after Sayfutdinov in the British GP a few years ago and many others have done over the years. In all probability Tungate meant to spray Auty but got it wrong. The outcome was unacceptable and Tungate was rightly referred to the disciplinary process. That process must be independent and you cannot have one of the aggrieved parties involved. If it's true that Godfrey was part of the disciplinary board then that is wrong on every level. I would think it almost certain that the board and decision would not be upheld if it was subject to legal challenge. General Melchett being head judge in Blackadders court martial for shooting his pigeon Speckled Jim springs to mind. In summary, Tungate in the wrong, correctly referred to a disciplinary process but then we descend into a banana republic justice process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted July 24, 2015 Report Share Posted July 24, 2015 The 'Scotsman' .........you're obviously not happy with the punishment administered? Let's not f*ck about any more, let's just get him hung, drawn and quartered! While it's being done, perhaps you could get a life. I'm surprised at you suggesting he should be hung, drawn and quartered. I wouldn't have gone quite that far myself. But Ippo haven't suffered too much from it all. Tungate hasn't. Scunny have. Auty has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILYRAG Posted July 24, 2015 Report Share Posted July 24, 2015 (edited) What about the points he scored ? If not all deducted he should have the points scored after the incident from heats 13 and 15 deducted and given to Scunny. Edited July 24, 2015 by OILYRAG 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bash Posted July 24, 2015 Report Share Posted July 24, 2015 It doesn't work like that if points are deducted 4 points would be taken off Ipswich, but not given to Scunthorpe and the result would be 43-43. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted July 24, 2015 Report Share Posted July 24, 2015 For those questioning the actions of Godfrey, Lunna & Morris, the following is a quote from Speedway Star; "Referee Clarke said: 'The sit-in, as far as I was concerned, was just a bit of theatre for the crowd. It only lasted a few seconds so I had a chat to Rob after the meeting and that's as far as it goes. Nike Lunna and Ashley Morris were also fined the maximum £200 for fighting on the track.'" On the Auty/Tungate incident, Grahame Reeve said; "As Peter Clarke had interviewed Tungate at length during the meeting, I am asking Peter to tell if the video footage confirms or contradicts what Tungate answered to the referee. The answers to that will determine whether the SCB takes further action." 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILYRAG Posted July 24, 2015 Report Share Posted July 24, 2015 It doesn't work like that if points are deducted 4 points would be taken off Ipswich, but not given to Scunthorpe and the result would be 43-43. Well do that then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Johnson Posted July 24, 2015 Report Share Posted July 24, 2015 (edited) Saw that picture in the Speedway Star and thought they looked like a couple of stroppy kids. Since when has it been OK for a promoter to lead that sort of protest. Doesn't seem right to me whatever he may think he didnt lead it, josh did, rob joined him later, as did the fans. So there is something to be gained from a sit in at the starting gate with thumbs in mouth's shouting " I'll scream and scream till I get my way " like 5 year olds. Must remember that next time I disagree with a refereeing decision. if you were there or bothered reading posts, the protest wasnr to get him banned, it was to withdraw him from the meeting after being fined, the ref said he couldnt, the scuuny officials showed him in the rule book that he could, if after all that the scb decided on a ban then thats that.... hes been banned and you will have to accept that, do we know the video was used to decide the ban?, dont fordet mr tungate got a fine for what he did, maybe that came with the ban? Edited July 24, 2015 by neck brace tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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