jenga Posted July 21, 2015 Report Share Posted July 21, 2015 it would have only taken 20 secs to put on a . i am sorry show for the fans and non of this would be escalating the way it is. its the way he headed back to the pits with a feck you attitude. no its not ok to knock people off ,ride dirty or whatever. tony childs had a reputation for that,.. couldnt beat the opponent in the race, so knocked him off after it. yes he once rode for Workington, didn't last long though.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadders Posted July 21, 2015 Report Share Posted July 21, 2015 (edited) There's no doubt Tungate caused Auty to fall. I'm pretty sure he meant to show him his back wheel. I can't believe he meant Auty to fall though. Only a mad man would deliberately use his bike to injure another rider Edited July 21, 2015 by Shads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moorwell Posted July 21, 2015 Report Share Posted July 21, 2015 This is all very entertaining. Was this video evidence part of an authorised filming (ie, licensed by Go-Speed) or just a guy in the crowd with a camcorder? As a licenced promoter, Mr Godfrey may be in far more trouble than any of the squabbling riders on either side if he really led a sit-down strike, allowing members of the public onto the track to join him. really ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSpecialOne Posted July 21, 2015 Report Share Posted July 21, 2015 Sorry but you opening statement is not true there are numerous amounts of posters who have posted on this thread who feel that Tungate was definitely in the wrong who are not Scunthorpe fans. For me the camera angle of the video footage is not that great and you cannot clearly see if Tungate has gone with the intention to have Josh Auty off. I believe that what happened was that Tungate who was angry with Josh has gone with the intentions of spraying him with shale with the speed of the bike and caught Josh and had him off. Whether or not Tungate should have been thrown out of the meeting is open for debate, I suppose it is question of intent, did Tungate go with the intent of injuring Josh. On personal level I don't think he did, but I can see why people see it that way, but I do believe that Tungate although was not intent of hurting Josh but he is responsible for Josh falling and hurting himself. What do find annoying ids the Ipswich trying to deflect the blame on to Josh, which I frankly find disgusting, anyone even with a limited amount of speedway knowledge knows that is not true. What a biazarre post. You 'feel' Tungate was 'definitely' in the wrong. The evidence is 'not that great' and you 'can't clearly see'. So your guessing right? Frankly not really the stuff cases are based on is it. Do you expect the BSPA/SCB to just guess? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted July 21, 2015 Report Share Posted July 21, 2015 yes, they normally do, guess i guess. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted July 22, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 (edited) And strangely enough all those who are convinced of Tungates guilt are Scunthorpe supporters. It only goes to show its a matter of opinion and of course the two sides will have different views. That's why these count for nothing. The video is the only so called evidence and since that is from a poor angle and a long distance it also proves nothing. Certainly not clear enough to base a case on. That leaves only the refs view. Now some claim he didn't see the incident in which case it all ends there. If he did see something, hence the fine, then this will decide the case against Tungate. I fully expect it to go no further due to the lack of clear impartial evidence. What I do expect is a large fine and possible other penalties against the Scunthorpe promotion club officials for refusing to allow the meeting to continue and failing to control the crowd and allowing them onto the race track during a meeting. There is also the potential that other Scunthorpe club officials could be fined and sanctioned if the refs report includes mention that they tried to influence his decision as was clearly outlined on this forum. Er, so you're calling Jenga (Workington), Spin King (Sheffield), the Scotsman (Edinburgh, I think) etc, etc, Scunthorpe fans?? And the video evidence is absolutely fine - anyone with eyes can see Tungate speed up and his flick of his back wheel, that causes Auty to come crashing down. In fact, the video evidence is remarkably good, given it was taken from crowd level. Hats off to the cameraman. What Tungate meant to do is open for debate. But there was always a chance that by doing what he did (grabbing the throttle, aiming his bike towards Josh, and flicking out the back wheel), he would wipe out Auty and that's what he did. Actions have consequences. And I believe the only person reported to the SCB was Tungate (others riders were fined, but not reported), so you're barking down the wrong tree with your other comments as well. All the best Rob Edited July 22, 2015 by lucifer sam 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanner47 Posted July 22, 2015 Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 Don't think this one will end until they make a decision, which will obviously be "no case to answer due to lack of concrete evidence". Hopefully they wont be too hard on Godfrey, he is entertaining in his sweet little way, but can be a "tad" one sided in his views, but anyone who was there could never condone what Wilkinson did, no need for video evidence on that one, throw the book at the thug I say, or would the Scunny fans like to defend the maniac who waited on the track just to try and boot Stefan off his bike? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted July 22, 2015 Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 Sine die ban for Tungate. Or is that a little bit too harsh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillwhitewasmad Posted July 22, 2015 Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 No defence offered for Carl his actions were not great did get knocked off though some you win some you lose only thing I would say it was the lamest kick I've seen since Chris waddles penalty in italia 90 both never got near the intended target 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert72 Posted July 22, 2015 Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 it would have only taken 20 secs to put on a . i am sorry show for the fans and non of this would be escalating the way it is. its the way he headed back to the pits with a feck you attitude. no its not ok to knock people off ,ride dirty or whatever. tony childs had a reputation for that,.. couldnt beat the opponent in the race, so knocked him off after it. yes he once rode for Workington, didn't last long though.. So I guess you thought Hancock should of been banned then ? Also was it right that several riders And fans offered to pay his fine. Speedway needs cleaning up as it cannot stay one rule for the special ones and another rule for others Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted July 22, 2015 Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 Yes Hancock should have been banned. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smod Posted July 22, 2015 Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 According to witnesses, earlier this season Sam Masters took exception to something Lasse Bjerre had done during a race (neither came off) and at the end of the heat he rode into Bjerre, knoocking him off. Masters then parked his bike, ran over to where Bjerre was lying on the track and started beating him up. Masters was fined by the referee and the meeting went on. No word of further penalties. This sounds similar to the current case. Move on please. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted July 22, 2015 Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 wee fights and stuff are part of speedway . using a bike as a weapon is not really part of the speedway game. pederson stuffing Hancock, at least Greg didn't use his bike in the revenge attack on nicki p . masters could start a fight in a crèche. the baby that he is. just to remind folk that the discussion is all about tungate and auty, what happened AFTER the race. not something that happened to another rider 2 months ago or even last year. its all about..... did tungate knock auty off deliberately ?? NOTHING ELSE. no going off on a tangent please. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert72 Posted July 22, 2015 Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 wee fights and stuff are part of speedway . using a bike as a weapon is not really part of the speedway game. pederson stuffing Hancock, at least Greg didn't use his bike in the revenge attack on nicki p . masters could start a fight in a crèche. the baby that he is. just to remind folk that the discussion is all about tungate and auty, what happened AFTER the race. not something that happened to another rider 2 months ago or even last year. its all about..... did tungate knock auty off deliberately ?? NOTHING ELSE. no going off on a tangent please. Hancock would of been charged with a serious offence had that happened on a street and should of been banned,also what masters did to bjerre deserved a ban. IF a rider deliberately takes a rider off during or after the race then a panel should watch a video to decide fine or ban,it needs stamping out as does riders going down so easy. Was auty injured ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted July 22, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 Was auty injured ? http://scunthorpescorpions.co/?p=3885 All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted July 22, 2015 Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 (edited) i think auty aggravated his old injury that kept him out for 9 weeks approx . also if some of the dealings by promoters were did on the street, they would be in trouble by trying yo deceive the course of justice. fiddling starting averages etc... but its not on the , street is it real folks. l was auty injured ? . na , he just lost balance WHEN A BIKE HIT HIM FROM BEHIND. all this input on this site and a question like that was asked... Edited July 22, 2015 by jenga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted July 22, 2015 Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 You asked the question did tungate knock off auty deliberately. And the answer is no didn't. He knocked him off by accident. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert72 Posted July 22, 2015 Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 http://scunthorpescorpions.co/?p=3885 All the best Rob Thanks. Let's hope he is not out injured again but banning tungate would be wrong imho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted July 22, 2015 Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 You asked the question did tungate knock off auty deliberately. And the answer is no didn't. He knocked him off by accident. It may be possible it was a kind of accident in that he aimed his bike at Auty deliberately and at speed and got it wrong and totally wiped him out from behind causing serious injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IW08 Posted July 22, 2015 Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 If there was malice in what Tungate did, then he will be dealt with accordingly I am sure. There seems to be a clear intent from Scunthorpe in terms of parking the bus of blame all at the door of Ipswich from everything I read. There are two sides to every story, and IF there was any whiff of inappropriate action from promotion, then the facts will render speculation about who did this, who did that etc as useless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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