hulvik Posted July 21, 2015 Report Share Posted July 21, 2015 Is it true that the SBC have requested that in future all tracks provide a bowl of water and rug on the floor in the ref's box for Peter Clark's guide dog 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted July 21, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2015 (edited) I think a few people have said it proves nothing. Yep, strangely enough, they've nearly all been Ippo fans. I can only summise there is a lack of Specsavers in Suffolk. Any with two functioning eyes can clearly see Tungate speed up and flick his back wheel at Auty. All the best Rob Edited July 21, 2015 by lucifer sam 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
June Posted July 21, 2015 Report Share Posted July 21, 2015 I think a few people have said it proves nothing Well I stick to what I saw. I was there and I wasn't filling in my programme like some. Tungate charged across the bend deliberately aiming at Josh and took him off. Going so fast he overshot the pit entrance. he stopped took his gloves off and walked into the pits without even showing any concern . Who the hell does he think he is.! I despair that he was allowed to continue in the meeting. THE RACE HAD FINISHED! FGS. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Johnson Posted July 21, 2015 Report Share Posted July 21, 2015 proves he hit josh, hence a fine 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stu219 Posted July 21, 2015 Report Share Posted July 21, 2015 Funnily enough I work next to a specsavers!. It's all about opinions and because it's not all cut and dried looking at the video that's why there is various opinions. I would also expect the BSPA and SCB to look at the track sit in. That must be classed as bringing the sport into disrepute.Now off to get my eyes checked. Maybe the video will look different lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebaron Posted July 21, 2015 Report Share Posted July 21, 2015 proves he hit josh, hence a fine that's a good point NBT; why the fine unless there was an indiscretion?. I cannot blame Peter Clarke in one sense; because if you don't see it (and he may well have had his eyes moving off the race to his programme) then you call what you see. Or at least what you think you see; which was basically Josh upended and RT off down the back straight. So having heard claim and counter claim; he airs on the side of a fine and puts the incident in his report to the SCB. Perhaps he might not have expected to find that the incident was actually filmed; so now with the benefit of replay; the matter can be reviewed and either the referees decision is upheld or further action is taken. The fact that the referee took punitive action against RT right there and then means that the referee acknowledged that he (RT) had committed some form of indiscretion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSpecialOne Posted July 21, 2015 Report Share Posted July 21, 2015 Yep, strangely enough, they've nearly all been Ippo fans. I can only summise there is a lack of Specsavers in Suffolk. Any with two functioning eyes can clearly see Tungate speed up and flick his back wheel at Auty. All the best Rob And strangely enough all those who are convinced of Tungates guilt are Scunthorpe supporters. It only goes to show its a matter of opinion and of course the two sides will have different views. That's why these count for nothing. The video is the only so called evidence and since that is from a poor angle and a long distance it also proves nothing. Certainly not clear enough to base a case on. That leaves only the refs view. Now some claim he didn't see the incident in which case it all ends there. If he did see something, hence the fine, then this will decide the case against Tungate. I fully expect it to go no further due to the lack of clear impartial evidence. What I do expect is a large fine and possible other penalties against the Scunthorpe promotion club officials for refusing to allow the meeting to continue and failing to control the crowd and allowing them onto the race track during a meeting. There is also the potential that other Scunthorpe club officials could be fined and sanctioned if the refs report includes mention that they tried to influence his decision as was clearly outlined on this forum. All The Best TSO Well I stick to what I saw. I was there and I wasn't filling in my programme like some. Tungate charged across the bend deliberately aiming at Josh and took him off. Going so fast he overshot the pit entrance. he stopped took his gloves off and walked into the pits without even showing any concern . Who the hell does he think he is.! I despair that he was allowed to continue in the meeting. THE RACE HAD FINISHED! FGS. Sorry June love but your eyesight suggested previously that the incident took place 'on the back straight'. This witnesses evidence can be ignored m'lord! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neb Posted July 21, 2015 Report Share Posted July 21, 2015 Well I stick to what I saw. I was there and I wasn't filling in my programme like some. Tungate charged across the bend deliberately aiming at Josh and took him off. Going so fast he overshot the pit entrance. he stopped took his gloves off and walked into the pits without even showing any concern . Who the hell does he think he is.! I despair that he was allowed to continue in the meeting. THE RACE HAD FINISHED! FGS.out of interest as i was not there when josh wiped out tungate in the first staging did he turn round and ride back to tungate to say sorry? many posters have made a big thing about tungate not riding back to josh to apologize but as they say what comes around goes around but in saying that i do think tungate pushed the boat out a little to far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted July 21, 2015 Report Share Posted July 21, 2015 isnt it funny how the people who deem tungate guilty of foul sportsmanship are scunthorpe supporters and the ones that say he wouldn't do a thing like that were Ipswich supporters. also funny how it was Scunthorpe supporters that were strangely at a meeting in Scunthorpe and seen the incident first hand, where as the Ipswich supporters who deem him innocent were not at the meeting. don't know about you , but from the video evidence i would say as an impartial supporter of speedway that tungates move was deliberate on all accounts. maybe it was supposed to be a shale shower for josh. but it all went wrong and what happened afterwards proved the case in autys favour. if you knock some one off by accident, you go and see if they ar ok. tungate just fecked off to the pits and hid. ABSOLUTE SCUMBAG IN MY EYES.stop protecting him . he is guilty. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
June Posted July 21, 2015 Report Share Posted July 21, 2015 (edited) TSO I'm not going to argue with you over a couple of feet. Nothing wrong with my eyesight. I only need glasses for small print. I have eye test every year and do not require them for distance or driving. I still stand by what I saw. RT is Guilty my lord! Edited July 21, 2015 by June Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neb Posted July 21, 2015 Report Share Posted July 21, 2015 tungate may of been guilty and probably was but how can the ref fine someone for an incident ( according to his own admission that he didn't witness ) tungate by all accounts was the guilty party but should he of been fined on hear say? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted July 21, 2015 Report Share Posted July 21, 2015 (edited) You just said maybe it was meant to be a shale shower, so if that was the case and he knocked him off, then surely he knocked him off by accident. That's to jenga post by the way Edited July 21, 2015 by baldyman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Johnson Posted July 21, 2015 Report Share Posted July 21, 2015 (edited) auty was down injured for a while, tungate was up fairly quickly,auty didnt intentionally try to knock him off,maybe unaware he had actually touched?, tungtate had all the time in the world to apologise for his accidental coming together, Edited July 21, 2015 by neck brace tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smod Posted July 21, 2015 Report Share Posted July 21, 2015 This is all very entertaining. Was this video evidence part of an authorised filming (ie, licensed by Go-Speed) or just a guy in the crowd with a camcorder? As a licenced promoter, Mr Godfrey may be in far more trouble than any of the squabbling riders on either side if he really led a sit-down strike, allowing members of the public onto the track to join him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hulvik Posted July 21, 2015 Report Share Posted July 21, 2015 One thing i find interesting about of all of this is, be it knocking Josh off on purpose or just intending to shower him in shale the Ipswich fans are happy to condone Mr Tungate's bad sportsmanship 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted July 21, 2015 Report Share Posted July 21, 2015 And strangely enough all those who are convinced of Tungates guilt are Scunthorpe supporters. It only goes to show its a matter of opinion and of course the two sides will have different views. That's why these count for nothing. The video is the only so called evidence and since that is from a poor angle and a long distance it also proves nothing. Certainly not clear enough to base a case on. That leaves only the refs view. Now some claim he didn't see the incident in which case it all ends there. If he did see something, hence the fine, then this will decide the case against Tungate. I fully expect it to go no further due to the lack of clear impartial evidence. What I do expect is a large fine and possible other penalties against the Scunthorpe promotion club officials for refusing to allow the meeting to continue and failing to control the crowd and allowing them onto the race track during a meeting. There is also the potential that other Scunthorpe club officials could be fined and sanctioned if the refs report includes mention that they tried to influence his decision as was clearly outlined on this forum. All The Best TSO Sorry but you opening statement is not true there are numerous amounts of posters who have posted on this thread who feel that Tungate was definitely in the wrong who are not Scunthorpe fans. For me the camera angle of the video footage is not that great and you cannot clearly see if Tungate has gone with the intention to have Josh Auty off. I believe that what happened was that Tungate who was angry with Josh has gone with the intentions of spraying him with shale with the speed of the bike and caught Josh and had him off. Whether or not Tungate should have been thrown out of the meeting is open for debate, I suppose it is question of intent, did Tungate go with the intent of injuring Josh. On personal level I don't think he did, but I can see why people see it that way, but I do believe that Tungate although was not intent of hurting Josh but he is responsible for Josh falling and hurting himself. What do find annoying ids the Ipswich trying to deflect the blame on to Josh, which I frankly find disgusting, anyone even with a limited amount of speedway knowledge knows that is not true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted July 21, 2015 Report Share Posted July 21, 2015 (edited) You just said maybe it was meant to be a shale shower, so if that was the case and he knocked him off, then surely he knocked him off by accident. That's to jenga post by the way to which he should have gone to see how josh was after his accidental shale shower that went wrong. tough guys lording it in the pits , while josh is on the floor in pain. i am not an auty lover/follower, but speedway is dangerous enough without t pots like him on the track.. some say he had it coming, but not from the back on the warm down lap.. i am sure josh will take a leaf out of roy keans book and bide his time . rest easy mr yungate , if you can. Edited July 21, 2015 by jenga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZODIAK Posted July 21, 2015 Report Share Posted July 21, 2015 And strangely enough all those who are convinced of Tungates guilt are Scunthorpe supporters. It only goes to show its a matter of opinion and of course the two sides will have different views. That's why these count for nothing. The video is the only so called evidence and since that is from a poor angle and a long distance it also proves nothing. Certainly not clear enough to base a case on. That leaves only the refs view. Now some claim he didn't see the incident in which case it all ends there. If he did see something, hence the fine, then this will decide the case against Tungate. I fully expect it to go no further due to the lack of clear impartial evidence. What I do expect is a large fine and possible other penalties against the Scunthorpe promotion club officials for refusing to allow the meeting to continue and failing to control the crowd and allowing them onto the race track during a meeting. There is also the potential that other Scunthorpe club officials could be fined and sanctioned if the refs report includes mention that they tried to influence his decision as was clearly outlined on this forum. All The Best TSO Sorry but you opening statement is not true there are numerous amounts of posters who have posted on this thread who feel that Tungate was definitely in the wrong who are not Scunthorpe fans. For me the camera angle of the video footage is not that great and you cannot clearly see if Tungate has gone with the intention to have Josh Auty off. I believe that what happened was that Tungate who was angry with Josh has gone with the intentions of spraying him with shale with the speed of the bike and caught Josh and had him off. Whether or not Tungate should have been thrown out of the meeting is open for debate, I suppose it is question of intent, did Tungate go with the intent of injuring Josh. On personal level I don't think he did, but I can see why people see it that way, but I do believe that Tungate although was not intent of hurting Josh but he is responsible for Josh falling and hurting himself. What do find annoying ids the Ipswich trying to deflect the blame on to Josh, which I frankly find disgusting, anyone even with a limited amount of speedway knowledge knows that is not true. Ipswich? Was just Tungate himself blaming Auty wasn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted July 21, 2015 Report Share Posted July 21, 2015 This is all very entertaining. Was this video evidence part of an authorised filming (ie, licensed by Go-Speed) or just a guy in the crowd with a camcorder? As a licenced promoter, Mr Godfrey may be in far more trouble than any of the squabbling riders on either side if he really led a sit-down strike, allowing members of the public onto the track to join him. you are moving away from the incident involving 2 riders. its not about protests, what the ref seen.. etc.. its about terrible behaviour by a certain rider. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted July 21, 2015 Report Share Posted July 21, 2015 So you are now condoning revenge by saying you hope josh takes a leaf out of Roys book. You can't have it both ways. Or is it okay for revenge as long as it's in a race? Or after a race as long as you then turn back and see how your opponent is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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