New Science Posted July 15, 2015 Report Share Posted July 15, 2015 (edited) Peter Karlsson was brought into the Wolves team as a second string.Not to ride in heats 1,13 and 15 every week. Its the failing of others that have forced him into this predicament.P.K has exceeded his starting average,don't lay the blame of Wolves failing at his door.[/quote I wasn't, I was referring to the fact that his glory days have gone. So when you stop being an Elite league number one you should pack it in. Unfortunately there are not many Greg Hancock's around who continue to achieve world level success into their 40's.I dare say if P.K had been in Pooles's team and averaging over 8 points a meeting from 2nd string he would be lorded by the same people who are knocking him, Edited July 15, 2015 by New Science Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted July 15, 2015 Report Share Posted July 15, 2015 Some serious average manipulation going on by Wolves! Who says cheats never prosper - Wolves are on target to win the wooden spoon They're even making Kenneth Bjerre look good better to be crap than cheat with iffy engine failures , we scored 7 points more than usual so nearly a result. Roll on 2016. Peter Karlsson was brought into the Wolves team as a second string.Not to ride in heats 1,13 and 15 every week. Its the failing of others that have forced him into this predicament.P.K has exceeded his starting average,don't lay the blame of Wolves failing at his door. In fairness PK IS a heat leader in this league and so he should be. Surely he must be asking the question how much longer? He was a heat leader masquerading as a second string and nothing has really changed from last season now. 37 points is an improvement but just goes to show there is no fight left, we have already given up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Fever Posted July 15, 2015 Report Share Posted July 15, 2015 Well credit where credit is due....Kenneth Bjerre certainly deserves it after tonight Great to see him back to his best Good stuff too from the other Stars (particularly the other 2 Danes!) to cover for our missing pair. Reserves too tried hard without always succeeding. Hope Lewis is OK after his fall, (and of course well done too to Max Fricke for a sterling performance (though ease off a bit next week please?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted July 15, 2015 Report Share Posted July 15, 2015 (edited) Good performance from the top 4 tonight.We need to keep winning at home,but we will have much tougher opposition next week in Belle Vue.Can't let them have any points if that's possible. Iversen was outstanding tonight missed one gate in heat 13.But he soon reeled in Freddie. Porsing is carrying on his form of the last few weeks. Fricke a great replacement for Lambert. Bjerre was very good at what we know he's best at Gating,but was also quick too.Iversen was only 0.23 outside the track record but Bjerre also was only 0.30 outside the record. Morris was ok if he didn't fall in heat 4 he would have had a paid 5. I think Kerr struggled with the grippier conditions tonight. Can't really comment on Wolves apart from they are really poor and will be lucky not to finish bottom of the pile this season. What did make me happy was seeing a rider come around after he had completed his rides and wave to the crowd and taking the applause.Well done Tobiasz Musielak. Edited July 15, 2015 by tellboy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jive Posted July 15, 2015 Report Share Posted July 15, 2015 First meeting in a while, some good races, Wolves really are poor, apart from Thorsell in a couple of rides they really did not have the appetite for a scrap.PK was tailed off, Freddie wasn't Fast and Wells and Musielak were poor. Good to see several Wolves fans make the trip over though! Even when Freddie gated in heat 13 Niels simply lined him up and eased passed him. After lots of criticism I was pleased to see Porsing and Kenny Bjerre going well. Seemed a lot of riders losing their steel shoes tonight as well, Bates, Blackbird and Kerr to name 3 I saw. Does anyone know if Kerr is ok after he walloped the fence on the last bend but never came out for Heat 12. Feel the Aces will certainly be a better test next week, hope it is as warm and sunny as it was tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted July 16, 2015 Report Share Posted July 16, 2015 Difficult to make any conclusions from last night. Yes we won, and won convincingly, but Wolves offered very little and were a shadow of the team they once were. Niels was majestic as ever, and cruised to a 5 ride Max. He was in a different league and won each race by the proverbial.. Kenneth was not far behind him and top scored with 16pts. Porsing and Max Fricke both rode well and won with incredible ease. Those 4, rode that well, that the absent Star performers weren't missed. Our 2 reserves had an iffy nights, in that they both fell and both scored decent points. Morris, seem to lose concentration, and fell when 2nd to Fricke on the final corner, and twice more got out of shape in other races, whose bikes gradually got slower. Kerr, He too battled the demons with slower machinery and was far from in dominate self. Hope his fall was as innocuous as it looked with no lasting injuries..... Wells, Thorssell, Blackbird and Freddie all battled hard for little reward. they were unfortunate to meet a team that were on a high..... Next week against Belle Vue will be a far stiffer test....... Hopefully Fricke don't ride as well as he did last night...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Sweetman Posted July 16, 2015 Report Share Posted July 16, 2015 Maybe Wolves should contact Kyle Howarth now that Swindon unfortunately had to let him go, he would do better than their heat leaders. Remind me about the last time he guested for us----ah yes, 0--0--0--0.Hardly better than what we have. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semion Posted July 16, 2015 Report Share Posted July 16, 2015 Did anyone really think that last night was entertaining ? Apart from Puk sticking his front wheel over the white line out of turn and driving past the oppostion i think it was a bit of a snore fest. Have to feel for PK last night, He was getting badly tailed off and not just by the Lynn Heat leaders. However after he got smashed up at Saddlebow back in the early Norties I dont think Lynn has been one of his most favourite tracks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proud panther Posted July 16, 2015 Report Share Posted July 16, 2015 Have to agree semion, if that was a good meeting, I wouldn't want to attend a bad one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted July 16, 2015 Report Share Posted July 16, 2015 (edited) Did anyone really think that last night was entertaining ? Apart from Puk sticking his front wheel over the white line out of turn and driving past the oppostion i think it was a bit of a snore fest. I for one, thorough enjoyed the meeting last night. Sometimes when I read certain posts I question the reality these people live in. It appears that unless there are riders knocking five bells out of each other or 50 overtaking moves its a bad meeting. I suggest you wake up and actually see what is on show. I have been to many meetings and enjoy most of them. But my expectations are related to the sport itself. I enjoy the banter, I enjoy the smell, I enjoy the environment., I enjoy the excitement, I enjoy the competition, in fact I enjoy all the factors of the meeting. I enjoy it even when we lose, if the effort was there. Having ridden many bikes in a variety of sports, I appreciate the skill ALL these riders show. They don't have to come from the back just to satisfied some warp ideas of making it enjoyable. Kenneth Bjerre last night was exceptional. He has been called a 'Gating Tart' but that's an art in its self. Strange these people don't mention how fast and smooth he is when he gets to the front. . I have criticised him in the past not doing the business, but when he does well I 'm the first to say so.... and last night he rode very well. When I go to meeting, I'm under no pretence of what's on offer. I go knowing what I will enjoy. If there's a close meeting and plenty of overtaking, all well and good, but its not the be all and the end if its not. In my reckoning, last night was a good night out, one that I thoroughly enjoyed.... Cant wait till next one..... Edited July 16, 2015 by GRW123 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted July 16, 2015 Report Share Posted July 16, 2015 Remind me about the last time he guested for us----ah yes, 0--0--0--0.Hardly better than what we have. Even for Swindon Kyle had a bad meeting at KL where he guested for you and scored 0 but he has put in good scores elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfsbane Posted July 16, 2015 Report Share Posted July 16, 2015 Well that new plan from Adams worked well. Moved Freddie from terrible to mediocre but at the cost of PK going from mediocre to terrible. As BW said Adams has no interest and by association, IMO neither has CVS. It's bloody disgusting what has happened to the Club, it really is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruckerroo Posted July 16, 2015 Report Share Posted July 16, 2015 wolves are the new eastbourne, stale and predictable. pk seems to be ok for half a season then tails off but tbf hes a 3rd heat leader at best these days, freddies been complete toast all season. next year build round thorsell and the new pole and go from there, new broom needed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Sweetman Posted July 16, 2015 Report Share Posted July 16, 2015 Well that new plan from Adams worked well. Moved Freddie from terrible to mediocre but at the cost of PK going from mediocre to terrible. As BW said Adams has no interest and by association, IMO neither has CVS. It's bloody disgusting what has happened to the Club, it really is. And cant see it getting better anytime soon.With the Van Straaten clan of David,Mark and Karl waiting in the wings,and Adams son Chris also involved,it seems for the next three years at least,its gonna be keep it in the family. Even though we keep going on about expectations for 2016,tbh whoever has the job of assembling the new team is going to have his work cut out in putting a decent 1--7 side together. Cant see Tai and Pawlicki wanting to ride for a monday night track,Fred is no longer a trusted heatleader and certainly not a number one. PK cant go on forever .Wells career seems to have peaked.Jacob unlikely to ever to fill a 1-3-5 roll. The cupboard is virtually bare(no good going on about NP)with what assets we have left,and we aint got any money. So it looks like starting from scratch,but you dont win titles tracking a side full of freebies. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted July 16, 2015 Report Share Posted July 16, 2015 So it looks like starting from scratch,but you dont win titles tracking a side full of freebies. Birmingham nearly did Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted July 16, 2015 Report Share Posted July 16, 2015 (edited) And cant see it getting better anytime soon.With the Van Straaten clan of David,Mark and Karl waiting in the wings,and Adams son Chris also involved,it seems for the next three years at least,its gonna be keep it in the family. Even though we keep going on about expectations for 2016,tbh whoever has the job of assembling the new team is going to have his work cut out in putting a decent 1--7 side together. Cant see Tai and Pawlicki wanting to ride for a monday night track,Fred is no longer a trusted heatleader and certainly not a number one. PK cant go on forever .Wells career seems to have peaked.Jacob unlikely to ever to fill a 1-3-5 roll. The cupboard is virtually bare(no good going on about NP)with what assets we have left,and we aint got any money. So it looks like starting from scratch,but you dont win titles tracking a side full of freebies. There is no issue with the majority of riders we have as long as they fill the right places in the team. What IS needed is a number 1. Lindgren isn't fulfilling that role anymore.. if Tai or Pawlicki came back, great, but highly unlikely. Might be time to try and sign someone like Jason Doyle. next year build round thorsell and the new pole and go from there, new broom needed Again, nothing to do with a new broom. We made the mistake of building around Thorssell this year and its one of the main reasons we are in the mess we are. If his average balloons back up above 6 again due to riding as a second string then he's the last person you want to sign. Edited July 16, 2015 by BWitcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnificentseven Posted July 16, 2015 Report Share Posted July 16, 2015 wolves are the new eastbourne, stale and predictable. pk seems to be ok for half a season then tails off but tbf hes a 3rd heat leader at best these days, freddies been complete toast all season. next year build round thorsell and the new pole and go from there, new broom needed Musielak isn't worth hanging onto. He was very fortunate to score as many as he did on Wednesday and if he hadn't fallen off on the last bend Ashley Morris would have beaten him in Heat 4. There is no doubt that a complete clear out is justified but just where are the replacements going to come from? The harsh truth is that there are very few suitable riders who want to ride in England on Mondays. The EL is dead and a drastic restructure is required. Somehow we need to structure the League in Britain based around riders who are based over here and want to ride in Britain. I know this wouldn't be easy, and would involve a considerable watering down of the league but speedway isn't viable in its current form and is dying on its feet. Wolfie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarCrazy Posted July 16, 2015 Report Share Posted July 16, 2015 Wolves were very poor and just looked disinterested from the outset. Freddie Lindgren showed why he is not a GP rider anymore, lacked speed all night. Niels passed him in 13 like he was standing still! Good performance from Bjerre. Looked a different rider and had a bit of confidence back. Good to see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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