RobMcCaffery Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 i I wonder what they would have thought of a world championship final at Wembley then To me the GP is like a handful of poor imitations of Wembley padded out by a load of Nordens....Quantity over quality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hardtobeat Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 Any rumours as to when it will be hosted next year? I know someone previously said it could be earlier in the series? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgy Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 (edited) What a great race track - Speedway at its very best. Belle Vue replicate this track. Â Tai odds on to be WC, top 3 decided, top 8 decided, no Poles in sight - maybe contributed to the crowd shortfall. Edited October 5, 2015 by Hodgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 Surely it's about what thousands of paying supporters want rather than sixteen riders, unless they wish to pay to race? TBF, the crowds at the one off tracks tracks do suggest that the fans prefer these. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPNY Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 The temp tracks have thrown up some brilliant meetings. I can remember Gelsenkirchen (the year it actually run) being boring and some of the Gothenburg GPs have been pretty bland but I can also remember plenty of GPs on revered permanent tracks being mundane. (and plenty of World Final's for that matter) The temp tracks are getting better and better. Cardiff this year there was good racing, Stockholm was good (2nd half in particular) Horsens was excellent. What more do people on here really want? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReturn Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 Surely it's about what thousands of paying supporters want rather than sixteen riders, unless they wish to pay to race? Oh don't be silly, paying supporters don't matter, did you not know that by now!!!! Â I jest, I agree, it should be about what the thousands of supporters want, not the 16 riders, but fans are fickle, it's a day out for them more than the quality of racing I suspect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPNY Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 The venues are chosen, the fans turn up if they want to, they are not made to go. So what is the gripe people have? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldace Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 Oh don't be silly, paying supporters don't matter, did you not know that by now!!!! Â I jest, I agree, it should be about what the thousands of supporters want, not the 16 riders, but fans are fickle, it's a day out for them more than the quality of racing I suspect. Â Â And why do you think they put GPs on at these venues. It isn't because BSI have a whole load of money they want to waste by staging GPs in near deserted stadia. Big city, big venues are exactly what the public want as demonstrated by them flocking to them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPNY Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 Â Â And why do you think they put GPs on at these venues. It isn't because BSI have a whole load of money they want to waste by staging GPs in near deserted stadia. Big city, big venues are exactly what the public want as demonstrated by them flocking to them Well I agree, most will agree. Angry people on here won't agree... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 WONDER whether Torun crowd was affected by it not being the last round of the series. Certainly couldn't blame the weather. Or a women's basketball tournament... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldace Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 Well I agree, most will agree. Angry people on here won't agree... Â Â It is all so reminiscent of the old BDO darts fans. They used to sit among 200 or 300 other old dears at their events telling the world that the 10,000 crowds at the Premier League or the Ally Pally is not what darts fans want 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 Big city, big venues are exactly what the public want as demonstrated by them flocking to them  Erm... they're flocking to Stockholm and Copenhagen, Gothenburg and Auckland before them? Even the 'big city' Polish tracks haven't been sell-outs I don't think.  Sure they'll pull more than tracks in the middle of fields because travelling fans can more easily get to city venues and there's more to do when they get there. However, you've got to offset that against the undoubtedly higher staging costs.  It's basically Cardiff that pulls a decent crowd. Warsaw did as well, but BSI mucked that up, and Melbourne is as yet unproven. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPNY Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 Humphrey where do you recommend the GPs are staged then? And I'm not trying to be a smart 4rse, genuine question. Â And btw, Stockholm GPs have been ok from what I saw and Ive been to all 3. Not Massive but pretty good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldace Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 Â Erm... they're flocking to Stockholm and Copenhagen, Gothenburg and Auckland before them? Even the 'big city' Polish tracks haven't been sell-outs I don't think. Â Sure they'll pull more than tracks in the middle of fields because travelling fans can more easily get to city venues and there's more to do when they get there. However, you've got to offset that against the undoubtedly higher staging costs. Â It's basically Cardiff that pulls a decent crowd. Warsaw did as well, but BSI mucked that up, and Melbourne is as yet unproven. Â Â Sweden have staged a big city GP every year for the last 8 years, and others before that, PARKEN staged over 10 consecutive GPs. Cardfiff has staged 15 in a row. The big city events in the speedway nations seem to do OK. Events outside those countries seem to struggle for a foothold maybe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 After the Warsaw farce I think more attention/time to prepare was given to the indoor temporary tracks and overall it led to better racing. As long as they continue with that policy the indoor tracks should continue to attract crowds. The GP series, lets not forget is a business, and businesses want turnover to, hopefully, generate profit. Its balance between the organisers looking after the fans, the riders, and the accounts book. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPNY Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 Since Warsaw (which I spent a lot of time and money getting to) they have made 3 perfect temp tracks. Warsaw was an almighty **** up and one I still cannot believe was made in Poland of all places. However still say the big city and big stadium GPs are the right way to go. I'v been to Cardiff Stockholm (Olympic and Friends) Copenhagen and also Wroclaw, Krsko, Lonigo and I for one can tell you it's much more enjoyable being in a brand new stadium in a big city. Places like Torun are a perfect medium, but unfortunately there arent so many of them about, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 AND it is about the riders, without whom there would be no SGPs in stadiums big or small. I know I am in a somewhat privileged position talking to riders but, believe me, they dream about racing in these big stadiums rather than ones that they go to week in and week out. It is what most (not Emil sadly) aspire to... Â There was a time when every footballer wanted to play at Wembley. That probably isn't as true now because the stadard of football stadia in this country has risen dramatically but Wembley still has a special aura. Cardiff is a speedway rider's Wembley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPNY Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 Only thing that worries me in the GPs is track prep and rider power. Otherwise think things are going well. After the first 2 horror show GPs this year, it's been a belting series. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DutchGrasstrack Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 My pics from Torun here: http://www.baansportfansite.nl/nieuws/856/pedersen-wint-gp-11-in-torun-woffinden-wereld-kampioen-.html 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sommelier Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 Had a fab time in Torun, NP was staying at sam Hotel, got him to sign a early Newcastle photo for me. What a lovely professional guy, nothing was to much trouble, total respect for the guy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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