Truro Robin Posted July 10, 2015 Report Share Posted July 10, 2015 With the success of the British Youth Championships and more young riders coming through the MDL & NJL, surely it is now time for the Premier League promoters to grasp the nettle and lower the points limit for next season. The step up from the National League to the Premier league has become too great. Rider's such as Dan Greenwood, Oliver Greenwood, Max Clegg, Ben Morley etc. should be able to hold their own in a Premier League reserve berth, not struggle to hold on to a 3.00 average. You only have to look up most Elite League doubling up rider's averages to see how small the gap in standard has become between the top 2 divisions. There needs to be a steady flow of British riders up through the divisions to make British speedway more viable. The National League have done their bit this season, now the Premier League needs to follow suit, while the Elite League really has to think what happens next with the Fast Track system. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkafag Posted July 10, 2015 Report Share Posted July 10, 2015 (edited) Can you really use EL averages as a fair gauge now? The DU rider’s typically only race PL riders and reserves and the "EL riders" only really race EL riders. It is hardly a shock a Kennet (as an example) has a higher average than Hans Andersen. I’ve never been one who has felt watering down the product was the best way to aid development. Edited July 10, 2015 by sparkafag 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truro Robin Posted July 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2015 Can you really use EL averages as a fair gauge now? The DU rider’s typically only race PL riders and reserves and the "EL riders" only really race EL riders. It is hardly a shock a Kennet (as an example) has a higher average than Hans Andersen. I’ve never been one who has felt watering down the product was the best way to aid development. Cook, Kennett, King & Morris are all current Elite League heat leaders. Morris has ridden as No.1 for both Glasgow and Swindon this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted July 10, 2015 Report Share Posted July 10, 2015 With the success of the British Youth Championships and more young riders coming through the MDL & NJL, surely it is now time for the Premier League promoters to grasp the nettle and lower the points limit for next season. The step up from the National League to the Premier league has become too great. Rider's such as Dan Greenwood, Oliver Greenwood, Max Clegg, Ben Morley etc. should be able to hold their own in a Premier League reserve berth, not struggle to hold on to a 3.00 average. You only have to look up most Elite League doubling up rider's averages to see how small the gap in standard has become between the top 2 divisions. There needs to be a steady flow of British riders up through the divisions to make British speedway more viable. The National League have done their bit this season, now the Premier League needs to follow suit, while the Elite League really has to think what happens next with the Fast Track system. My understanding of the fast track system is that the original idea was for it to be in the PL but they didn't want it. I certainly agree that there should be something similar in the PL - having watched Dan Greenwood be almost unbeatable in the NL yet be half a lap behind in the PL something needs to change. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted July 11, 2015 Report Share Posted July 11, 2015 i've been saying this on here for ages with very little support there are 2 clear benefits 1. gives NL riders a chance to move up and develop 2. lower costs maybe even a third benefit - the likes of Stoke, Mildenhall, IOW may be tempted to rejoin the PL with lower costs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truro Robin Posted July 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 11, 2015 i've been saying this on here for ages with very little support there are 2 clear benefits 1. gives NL riders a chance to move up and develop 2. lower costs maybe even a third benefit - the likes of Stoke, Mildenhall, IOW may be tempted to rejoin the PL with lower costs I completely agree. I think the points limit should be something that can be varied depending on the circumstances. The time seems right to lower it in the Premier League to encourage the flow of British riders up from the National League. Maybe another option would be to have an assessed 2.00 average for British riders with little or no previous Premier League experience. ( I'm sure this was the case in the old National League back in the 80s ). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted July 11, 2015 Report Share Posted July 11, 2015 Non Brits coming in on 5 and 7 should not be allowed to drop below these levels (or perhaps a floor at 6 and 4 respectively) This would mean the young Brits would be be more attractive even if struggling to maintain the assessed 3. Also agree that a reduction to 2 could be considered along with a draft in the PL. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barncooseboy Posted July 17, 2015 Report Share Posted July 17, 2015 The Conference League, as it then was, was essential to the EL promoters at the time because it demonstrated that British Speedway was trying to train young British riders to come through and eventually replace the foreign riders on visas, so that no more visas would be issued. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pogo1 Posted July 22, 2015 Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 What happens to the Scottish clubs if we introduce NL riders in the PL, history has shown many will not travel, yes one or two will, but they will be left with the poorer ones, I agree we need to look at something to bring the youngsters through but surely if there not good enough you don't just bring the level down till they are, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted July 22, 2015 Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 What happens to the Scottish clubs if we introduce NL riders in the PL, history has shown many will not travel, yes one or two will, but they will be left with the poorer ones, I agree we need to look at something to bring the youngsters through but surely if there not good enough you don't just bring the level down till they are, To be fair there are 2 PL clubs in Scotland, 1 just outside and several more within 2/3 hours drive I would not have thought it was an issue what may be an issue perhaps is the lack of a Linlithgow type facility and a NL presence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topsoil Posted July 22, 2015 Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 To be fair there are 2 PL clubs in Scotland, 1 just outside and several more within 2/3 hours drive I would not have thought it was an issue what may be an issue perhaps is the lack of a Linlithgow type facility and a NL presence A training track in Scotland would be the best thing to happen to the area. Both Glasgow, Edinburgh and to a certain extent Berwick, who have a good junior set up at the moment, would benefit from this and you cannot underestimate the pulling power of a local hero in a team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted July 22, 2015 Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 A training track in Scotland would be the best thing to happen to the area. Both Glasgow, Edinburgh and to a certain extent Berwick, who have a good junior set up at the moment, would benefit from this and you cannot underestimate the pulling power of a local hero in a team. very good point indeed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted July 23, 2015 Report Share Posted July 23, 2015 What happens to the Scottish clubs if we introduce NL riders in the PL, history has shown many will not travel, yes one or two will, but they will be left with the poorer ones, I agree we need to look at something to bring the youngsters through but surely if there not good enough you don't just bring the level down till they are, Erm one of those clubs has 2 of the best riders in the NL in it's team! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truro Robin Posted July 24, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2015 What happens to the Scottish clubs if we introduce NL riders in the PL, history has shown many will not travel, yes one or two will, but they will be left with the poorer ones, I agree we need to look at something to bring the youngsters through but surely if there not good enough you don't just bring the level down till they are, It's not a question of them not being good enough. The gaps between the 3 leagues just need to be evened out. If for one season a PL points limit of, say, 36 was put in place plus each team had to have a British 3 pointer as their seventh rider, then the points limit could be re-assessed the following season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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