mikespear Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 The BSPA didn't change anything. The BSPA Press Office posted the official scorecard compiled by the SCB Referee at the meeting onto the BSPA website. If you look at my post this is what I am saying. The 2nd july has the correct averages then the 9th. is incorrect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 I fully agree about the last sentence-and I hope my suggestion in post 106 is considered as I don`t think the "green sheets" are as clear as they should be. This is probably a good time to recount a funny story. A few years before I became a team manager I was just a Racers supporter writing bits and pieces in the programme but I was always interested in the rule-book. I was at Sheffield one night to watch the Racers and Bill Dore was team managing them at the time. I was stood looking into the pits when Bill came along and told me that Sheffield-Eric Boocock and Maurice Ducker had changed ther line-up late -I can`t remember the exact details however I knew they couldn`t do what they were trying to do legally. Bill said follow me-so I jumped over the fence and in the Gent`s toilet, the ref ,me Eric and john Davis the Racers captain had a rules meeting with the ref agreeing with me(the punter) that Sheffield were trying to pull a fast one ! Obviously the evening had a happy ending with the Racers winning. Not in the least-but there are code of conduct fines for all sorts of things-and believe me A match on the 9th July using June averages is a major cock-up(as the SCB has rightly said). What goes on in the toilet, stays in the toilet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 (edited) If you look at my post this is what I am saying. The 2nd july has the correct averages then the 9th. is incorrect But you should be saying the referee typed in the correct averages in his scorecard on the 2nd but the ref on the 9th didn`t however we knew that several days ago-we have only just found out that Redcar used incorrect averages in their programme 2 weeks running !!!!! What goes on in the toilet, stays in the toilet. With Eric talking a load of c*ap-it was probably the best place for the meeting Edited July 13, 2015 by racers and royals 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semion Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 Now if that happened on Hampstead Heath it would havea totally different meaning. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_rowe Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 If you look at my post this is what I am saying. The 2nd july has the correct averages then the 9th. is incorrect Which is because the referee on the 9th July inadvertently used the wrong averages, whilst the referee on the 2nd July used the correct ones, even if the incorrect ones had been printed in the programme. The scorecards on the BSPA website are posted by the BSPA Press Office exactly as they are submitted by the SCB Referee for each meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 There'll be plenty of football matches in the upcoming season where the ref and his assistants make what's easily proven by replays to be a clanger (striker at least a yard offside when he scores, foul committed a yard outside the 18-yard box but penalty awarded, handball awarded when it's clearly only hit the defender's chest or face, etc) but everyone accepts that unless there are very exceptional circumstances, the clanger stands unless it's immediately corrected before the game continues into its next phase. Using the football thing, try fielding an ineligible player in football. See what the outcome is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherborne Green Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 If Poole did what Redcar did then you would be up to 50 pages by now! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 (edited) If Poole did what Redcar did then you would be up to 50 pages by now! They did at Peterborough a couple of years ago-illegal guest for a missing rider with +5% added to his average which should have only been used for home riders Edited July 13, 2015 by racers and royals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 If Poole did what Redcar did then you would be up to 50 pages by now! Weirdly, probably not. Poole only tend to get page after page of slagging off when people think they have done something wrong. When Poole fielded an illegal team against Lakeside 3 years ago nobody seemed to give a rubbish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bear_Bottom Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 Yawn... Â Meeting Result: Redcar 48 Somerset 45. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 Yawn... Â Meeting Result: Redcar 48 Somerset 45. Â Â Yawn you might !! but it`s hard to judge who is more incompetent- Redcar Speedway or the referee ?? In my opinion Redcar Speedway just !!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 Yawn you might !! but it`s hard to judge who is more incompetent- Redcar Speedway or the referee ?? In my opinion Redcar Speedway just !!!! or maybe the Somerset management?? at the end of the day we've heard everything there is to say on this its just rehashing old comments - its over Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherborne Green Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 They did at Peterborough a couple of years ago-illegal guest for a missing rider with +5% added to his average which should have only been used for home ridersyes I remember. It was Mr Proctor and guess what. The result was amended. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 or maybe the Somerset management?? at the end of the day we've heard everything there is to say on this its just rehashing old comments - its over I disagree that we have heard everything to say on this-and it`s not rehashing old comments. I would like to hear further from someone at Redcar 1 why were the wrong averages printed in the programme for 2 weeks running ? 2 Did Michael Breckon inform Redcar speedway of that error during the 1st meeting. ? yes I remember. It was Mr Proctor and guess what. The result was amended. And guess what-it was not to everyone`s satisfaction because R/R was also being used which muddied the situation somewhat !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 Using the football thing, try fielding an ineligible player in football. See what the outcome is. See my previous post with a link to a BBC article where New Zealand have just been kicked out of the 2016 Olympic Football for fielding an ineligible player in qualifying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yearbyred Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 See my previous post with a link to a BBC article where New Zealand have just been kicked out of the 2016 Olympic Football for fielding an ineligible player in qualifying.  I have sent an email to the Redcar promotion asking them to withdraw from the next Olympic games - hope this will satisfy the people demanding further sanctions  However given how cunning Havvy senior is (apparently) no doubt he will be able to get around this somehow. R/R in Rio!  Does anyone know if Havvys request to have all the averages written in pencil in the programme in future has been agreed to?  (Apologies for the flippant nature of this reply but quite frankly it's no more ridiculous than the conspiracy theories posted on here) 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomersetBlue Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 or maybe the Somerset management?? at the end of the day we've heard everything there is to say on this its just rehashing old comments - its over Even though the somerset mangement went on the averages given to them via the referee. So at that time had no idea it was Ilegal. It was only when they found out they protested. I don't mind getting just the one point but what message is this sending out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 Even though the somerset mangement went on the averages given to them via the referee. So at that time had no idea it was Ilegal. It was only when they found out they protested. I don't mind getting just the one point but what message is this sending out. That the Somerset management should be on the ball perhaps !!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 Yawn you might !! but it`s hard to judge who is more incompetent- Redcar Speedway or the referee ?? In my opinion Redcar Speedway just !!!! I am not certain how you are laying this all at the door of Redcar and the referee. According to the SCB report, R/R for Graverson was discussed prior to the meeting starting. Â Somerset had no issue............until heat 12 (by which time, of course, they were losing). Â Who on earth checks the average two thirds of the way through the meeting but not at the start ? Â There is blame on all sides - in my view, the principle one at fault was the referee. After all, he made the decision on R/R and is therefore responsible for allowing Kus to ride. Â Â I disagree that we have heard everything to say on this-and it`s not rehashing old comments. I would like to hear further from someone at Redcar 1 why were the wrong averages printed in the programme for 2 weeks running ? 2 Did Michael Breckon inform Redcar speedway of that error during the 1st meeting. ? Â And guess what-it was not to everyone`s satisfaction because R/R was also being used which muddied the situation somewhat !!! If a statement needs to be made by anyone, surely its Somerset ? They, after all, were the ones that protested and in terms of match points they lost out. Â I suspect they are keeping quiet because anyone who makes public noise about an SCB decision usually gets poleaxed from all sides but it could easily also be because if they do go public they'll look foolish. Â Even though the somerset mangement went on the averages given to them via the referee. So at that time had no idea it was Ilegal. It was only when they found out they protested. I don't mind getting just the one point but what message is this sending out. As I have said above, who checks the averages two thirds of the way through but not at the start ? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
womble53 Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 Â Â If a statement needs to be made by anyone, surely its Somerset ? They, after all, were the ones that protested and in terms of match points they lost out. Â I suspect they are keeping quiet because anyone who makes public noise about an SCB decision usually gets poleaxed from all sides but it could easily also be because if they do go public they'll look foolish. Â Â Sorry HT, but that's complete nonsense. Â Their statement to say that they accept the SCB decision has been on the Rebels website since yesterday, if only you took the time to look, rather than castigate them for not doing what they have already done 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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