lucifer sam Posted July 12, 2015 Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 One slight difference Rob- I believe the Reading Team Manager was heard to say " they can`t do that" but was too late to stop it prior to the race-and immediately protested at the race conclusion. Yeah, I can quite believe you were on the case straight away, you were too far good at your job. But the fact that Somerset protested during the course of the match is good enough for me. In any case, any illegal rides have to be deducted from match scores. It makes a mockery of the sport otherwise. All the best Rob 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erimus11 Posted July 12, 2015 Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 Surely this situation should be classed as bringing "speedway into Disrepute" - after all we are talking about a match taking place on July 9th exactly a week after Redcar hosted Scunthorpe where the correct July averages were applied. Redcar should be fined a substantial sum and the referee should be suspended for 28 days. Fined a substantial sum.....? For naming an incorrect rider for a R/R in one heat? Some people might think you want Redcar Bears to go out of business 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted July 12, 2015 Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 Yeah, I can quite believe you were on the case straight away, you were too far good at your job. But the fact that Somerset protested during the course of the match is good enough for me. In any case, any illegal rides have to be deducted from match scores. It makes a mockery of the sport otherwise. All the best Rob I fully agree about the last sentence-and I hope my suggestion in post 106 is considered as I don`t think the "green sheets" are as clear as they should be. This is probably a good time to recount a funny story. A few years before I became a team manager I was just a Racers supporter writing bits and pieces in the programme but I was always interested in the rule-book. I was at Sheffield one night to watch the Racers and Bill Dore was team managing them at the time. I was stood looking into the pits when Bill came along and told me that Sheffield-Eric Boocock and Maurice Ducker had changed ther line-up late -I can`t remember the exact details however I knew they couldn`t do what they were trying to do legally. Bill said follow me-so I jumped over the fence and in the Gent`s toilet, the ref ,me Eric and john Davis the Racers captain had a rules meeting with the ref agreeing with me(the punter) that Sheffield were trying to pull a fast one ! Obviously the evening had a happy ending with the Racers winning. Fined a substantial sum.....? For naming an incorrect rider for a R/R in one heat? Some people might think you want Redcar Bears to go out of business Not in the least-but there are code of conduct fines for all sorts of things-and believe me A match on the 9th July using June averages is a major cock-up(as the SCB has rightly said). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted July 12, 2015 Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 Surely this situation should be classed as bringing "speedway into Disrepute" - after all we are talking about a match taking place on July 9th exactly a week after Redcar hosted Scunthorpe where the correct July averages were applied. Redcar should be fined a substantial sum and the referee should be suspended for 28 days. It would be interesting to know if the wrong averages were in the Redcar programme on the 2nd July for the Scunthorpe match ? and if they were did the referee Michael Breckon not mention the error to the home Promoter / team manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted July 12, 2015 Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 It would be interesting to know if the wrong averages were in the Redcar programme on the 2nd July for the Scunthorpe match ? and if they were did the referee Michael Breckon not mention the error to the home Promoter / team manager. I would suspect not. Surely, had they done so, things would have been changed. I wonder if all this 'hoo haa' would have happened had Somerset won? Just a thought.......................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted July 12, 2015 Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/33500785 This is how a professional sport deals with illegal players (in this instance) being used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclone Posted July 12, 2015 Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 It would be interesting to know if the wrong averages were in the Redcar programme on the 2nd July for the Scunthorpe match ? and if they were did the referee Michael Breckon not mention the error to the home Promoter / team manager. There have been instances where the printers have failed to update the information provided and/or erroneously reverted to previous data held on their databases when producing the next programme. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 There have been instances where the printers have failed to update the information provided and/or erroneously reverted to previous data held on their databases when producing the next programme. Indeed-however I suspect in this instance the same June averages were also in the 2nd July programme as well as the 9th. Certainly Michael Breckon`s spread sheet score card-linked on the BSPA website shows the correct July Averages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomersetBlue Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 Wasn't going to comment on this and take a backseat but I can't believe much debate there is for something that is plainly simple. Redcar cheated - are you telling me they didn't know the averages of their own team. Therefore gave wrongful information for their own benefit. Referee - made a mistake and went off the averages via the programme and did not cross check - as stated in the SCB statement. Somerset - Agreed before but agreed to the averages given from the referee. Would not have found out until later in the meeting and protested as soon as they could. Thats my veiw of it all and think it makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 (edited) Wasn't going to comment on this and take a backseat but I can't believe much debate there is for somethineg that is plainly simple. Redcar cheated - are you telling me they didn't know the averages of their own team. Therefore gave wrongful information for their own benefit. Referee - made a mistake and went off the averages via the programme and did not cross check - as stated in the SCB statement. Somerset - Agreed before but agreed to the averages given from the referee. Would not have found out until later in the meeting and protested as soon as they could. Thats my veiw of it all and think it makes sense. Hans Christian AndersenThe Brothers Grimm Aesop JK Rowling BrummieRebel Great strory tellers of all time! wink Edited July 13, 2015 by dontforgetthefueltapsbruv 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yearbyred Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 Redcar cheated - are you telling me they didn't know the averages of their own team. Therefore gave wrongful information for their own benefit. Yes that's what we are telling you! I don't find it hard to believe at all. The Redcar management are well capable of this. You are asking us to believe that "Redcar" knew when the programme was printed that Jan Graversen would be injured just before the meeting and would have to use R/R, knew that they would be behind by 10 before heat 8, knew that Kus would be riding better than Robson etc etc. It was a cock up not a conspiracy! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
me2 Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 Is it too much to expect that team managers and ref turn up for a meeting with the correct averages of all fourteen riders? The latest averages are readily available. The programme is for the information of supporters, not an official document. Errors in the programme mean squat. Having your opponents correct averages is as important as having your own. Running a meeting based on what's written in the programme is laughable and unprofessional in the extreme. I don't think Gary May waited until Somerset were behind until he protested as someone suggested, I think he protested when it was pointed out to him and I'd bet a pound to a pinch of sh!t it was a supporter who brought it to his attention. Nobody comes out of this with any credit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomersetBlue Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 Hans Christian Andersen The Brothers Grimm Aesop JK Rowling BrummieRebel Great strory tellers of all time! wink Yes certainly be sure to buy my new book. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arthur cross Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 It was Reading vs Oxford in 1997. The Oxford team manager made a mistake in replacing a non-injured reserve with a supplementary reserve in Heat 1, the ref sanctioned it, Oxford won 46-44 on the night, the Reading team manager protested, and a couple of days later, it was announced the scoreline had been changed to 45-45. As an Oxford fan I wasn't best pleased at the time, but any fury was directed towards those who had made the error, as opposed to the Reading management. Fortunately, the Oxford team manager was changed the following winter. Why bring that up now? Well the Reading team manager, one of the most astute in the business, is one of those contributing to this thread. But that's an example of how it should be. You make a mistake; you get penalised for it. An illegal ride should not be allowed to stand, otherwise it makes a mockery of the sport. All the best Rob Thanks for the informative reply. Still think you're going a bit over the top by reckoning one illegal but allowed-to-stand ride makes a mockery of the sport given speedway seems to have an inexhaustible supply of ways to make a mockery of itself !! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikespear Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 How can a promotion get the correct averages the week before and print it in the programme and then the next week put the previous month averages against a top team and would make Kus available for tactical if needed. if not needed it has not cost them anything. I still say no smoke without fire. Redcar promotion love when people say they can not think that cleverly........ this is how to get away with things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 How can a promotion get the correct averages the week before and print it in the programme and then the next week put the previous month averages against a top team and would make Kus available for tactical if needed. if not needed it has not cost them anything. I still say no smoke without fire. Redcar promotion love when people say they can not think that cleverly........ this is how to get away with things. Just had a call from someone who was at the Scunny match on the 2nd and the averages were wrong in that programme as well !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikespear Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 (edited) Just had a call from someone who was at the Scunny match on the 2nd and the averages were wrong in that programme as well !!! Why then did the bspa change the averages in thier report on the 2nd july but then not change the averages in thier report on thr 9th. July. come on wake up. look at the bspa reports.on the official bspa site Edited July 13, 2015 by workman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 Wasn't going to comment on this and take a backseat but I can't believe much debate there is for something that is plainly simple. Redcar cheated - are you telling me they didn't know the averages of their own team. Therefore gave wrongful information for their own benefit. Referee - made a mistake and went off the averages via the programme and did not cross check - as stated in the SCB statement. Somerset - Agreed before but agreed to the averages given from the referee. Would not have found out until later in the meeting and protested as soon as they could. Thats my veiw of it all and think it makes sense. if you knew anything you'd know they dont have the brains its over now anyway - unsatisfactory all round but its over Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 (edited) Why then did the bspa change the averages in thier report on the 2nd july but then not change the averages in thier report on thr 9th. July. come on wake up Nothing to do with the BSPA-the spreadsheet s you link to through the BSPA website are the official SCB referees scorecards-Michael Breckon obviously filled in the correct July averages for the Scunny match, whereas Dave Dowling in the Somerset match cocked up and used the June averages printed in the programme instead of the correct July`s Edited July 13, 2015 by racers and royals 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_rowe Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 Why then did the bspa change the averages in thier report on the 2nd july but then not change the averages in thier report on thr 9th. July. come on wake up. look at the bspa reports.on the official bspa site The BSPA didn't change anything. The BSPA Press Office posted the official scorecard compiled by the SCB Referee at the meeting onto the BSPA website. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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