allthegearbutnaeidea Posted July 10, 2015 Report Share Posted July 10, 2015 I think an average or averages were wrong in the Berwick program (could have been at an away meeting). The referee had the announcer read out the correct averages before the parade (saying to me that the referee checked the averages despite it not making any difference to the team line-ups). I cannot remember but I think it was last season. Funnily enough I also remember this happening and it sprung to mind when hearing of this incident, Dave Dowling must not be very aware of the goings on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted July 11, 2015 Report Share Posted July 11, 2015 What rule exactly the ref determined the averages being used before match and both team`s agreed , Redcar questioned the use of Kus and were told it was fine before the start and dummerset complained when they were getting beat . How about 16.4.1:  "The Home Team must notify their Opponents of the Team Line-Up at least 5 days before the Meeting to which the Away Team must respond within 24 hours with their Team Line-Up. All notifications must be in writing, include the MA’s and...  not to mention 14.9.1 (Duties of the referee):  Duties prior to, and/or Pre-Meeting are to check: * the Programme, ...  The first was clearly broken by the home team as the MAs were not correct, and the second by the referee as he didn't spot the mistake  1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikespear Posted July 11, 2015 Report Share Posted July 11, 2015 (edited) The previous week Redcar away had the correct July averages, so they were aware that Kus was the higher average. Their home match on 2nd July had Kus at 6.83 and Robson at 6.68. What can you make of this. Redcar have produced the correct averages on 2nd July when not on r/r but the wrong averages against Somerset when using r/r. no smoke without fire. This information is taken from the official bspa score charts on the main bspa web site Edited July 11, 2015 by workman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yearbyred Posted July 11, 2015 Report Share Posted July 11, 2015 The previous week Redcar away had the correct July averages, so they were aware that Kus was the higher average. Their home match on 2nd July had Kus at 6.83 and Robson at 6.68. What can you make of this. Redcar have produced the correct averages on 2nd July when not on r/r but the wrong averages against Somerset when using r/r. no smoke without fire. This information is taken from the official bspa score charts on the main bspa web site  Brilliant conspiracy theory but unless Redcar were also repsonsible for Jan Graversen "pulling out at the eleventh hour after sustaining a freak injury at work" they wouldn't have known that they were using R/R when the programme was printed. I suggest you turn your attention to "did man really land on the moon?"  Believe me the Redcar promotion aren't that clever !  It was a genuine error and no party involved comes out of this in a positive light. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted July 11, 2015 Report Share Posted July 11, 2015 Been away so would like to add a further 2 pennies worth. If the SCB do nothing about this cock-up-then they are a joke !! If the July greensheets issue 16 dated 24th June caused any problem(no-way should have done) with the riders for July not in average order-this was sorted with the issue 19 dated 3rd July where riders are in Average order and clearly show Kus ineligible to take a RR ride for Graversen. this Green sheet was issued a full 7 days before the match took place.In order to show that british speedway has still a bit of credibility left 1 the result should be altered to minus the points scored by the illegal ride or 2 The match should be replayed. As for discussions prior to the match about the RR facility -didn`t anyone have the gumption to look at the July green sheets -good team managers have them with them at all times !! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted July 11, 2015 Report Share Posted July 11, 2015 -didn`t anyone have the gumption to look at the July green sheets -good team managers have them with them at all times !! As do good referees Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted July 11, 2015 Report Share Posted July 11, 2015 its all on the bspa w/site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted July 11, 2015 Report Share Posted July 11, 2015 (edited) Result stands! http://www.speedwaygb.co/news.php?extend.29159 Â At Brandon earlier this season, Leicester tried to put Walasek out in a heat as injury RR when he wasn't eligible. Havvy noticed and disputed it straightaway and they had to use another rider. Â Â The question here is why wasn't it noticed at the time by either manager or the Ref when it was noticed by the fans. Edited July 11, 2015 by mdmc82 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted July 11, 2015 Report Share Posted July 11, 2015 somerset get done over. looks like rule breakers win sometimes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted July 11, 2015 Report Share Posted July 11, 2015 What a joke. What the BSPA have just said is feel free to cheat, as once you have cheated it's too late to change it. Â So Somerset can't appeal it but what about the teams battling with Redcar for league position who were not there and part of the discussions?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted July 11, 2015 Report Share Posted July 11, 2015 What a joke. What the BSPA have just said is feel free to cheat, as once you have cheated it's too late to change it. Â So Somerset can't appeal it but what about the teams battling with Redcar for league position who were not there and part of the discussions?! After some of the goings on this year, why are you surprised that this is the BSPAs answer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted July 11, 2015 Report Share Posted July 11, 2015 What a joke. What the BSPA have just said is feel free to cheat, as once you have cheated it's too late to change it. Â So Somerset can't appeal it but what about the teams battling with Redcar for league position who were not there and part of the discussions?! Typical BSPA - realise and acknowledge that a mistake has been made, but just brush it under the carpet. Â Like I said previously, not only have Somerset been robbed of victory but every single team in the league has been effected. Complete joke of a decision, especially the last part which effectively says "hopefully lessons have been learnt" - but this proves you can cheat and get away with it if it's not picked up on immediately! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soupy Posted July 11, 2015 Report Share Posted July 11, 2015 Would not say they have been robbed but if they had picked up on the r/r before the heat or after for a protest would of changed the result. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted July 11, 2015 Report Share Posted July 11, 2015 the pairs and now this. what,s next ? kurtZ breaking the tapes in the P.L.R.C.? DONT WORRY, IT WONT BE DAVE DOWLING DOING THE REFFING. OR WILL IT !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erimus11 Posted July 11, 2015 Report Share Posted July 11, 2015 Typical BSPA - realise and acknowledge that a mistake has been made, but just brush it under the carpet. Like I said previously, not only have Somerset been robbed of victory but every single team in the league has been effected. Complete joke of a decision, especially the last part which effectively says "hopefully lessons have been learnt" - but this proves you can cheat and get away with it if it's not picked up on immediately! Redcar made a mistake, as did the referee, by allowing Kus to take the R/R,they didn't , in my opinion, cheat. Â Presumably you're also labelling the referee a cheat then? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted July 11, 2015 Report Share Posted July 11, 2015 As harsh as it is on Somerset the BSPA have at least applied their own rules. There is a clear section about timings of protests and this was not met. It should of course never have happened in the first place but ALL parties have some part in the responsibility for it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedwaysliders Posted July 11, 2015 Report Share Posted July 11, 2015 There are words flying about with people calling redcar cheats,but everyone was happy before the meeting started that everything was correct and in order.Now the meeting is live,both teams start 0-0, and everything to play for.The fact Kus wins heat 8 should have nothing to do with it,its just sour grapes that somerset tried to protest,right or wrong everyone was happy to race,and if i was the somerset team manager i would have taken it on the chin myself,as we all agreed at the start of the meeting that everyhing was correct. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted July 11, 2015 Report Share Posted July 11, 2015 As harsh as it is on Somerset the BSPA have at least applied their own rules. There is a clear section about timings of protests and this was not met. It should of course never have happened in the first place but ALL parties have some part in the responsibility for it. Bit what's to stop another PL protesting now as this is the first time they have found out about it? It's not just Somerset who have lost out here - anyone battling Redcar for league places has been cheated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheekycobra Posted July 11, 2015 Report Share Posted July 11, 2015 Mistakes happen, but cheat is a dirty word. Redcar never at any stage arranged to manipulate the rules in their favour on purpose. Even after the crash the heat before Im pretty sure Robson would have won the heat anyway as the Rebels pair in that heat were not exactly tearing up the track all meeting. To be honest I'd have been happy with the tactical been taken away, calling the heat a 5-1 and declaring the meeting a draw. From what I've heard the only person to question whether Kus was legal pre meeting, was the Redcar manager, but both the ref and the Somerset manager agreed it should be Kus. Mistakes happen, just like Kurtz going through the tapes in heat 13. Bit what's to stop another PL protesting now as this is the first time they have found out about it? It's not just Somerset who have lost out here - anyone battling Redcar for league places has been cheated. Stop using the word cheat. Nobody cheated. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclone Posted July 11, 2015 Report Share Posted July 11, 2015 (edited) What a joke. What the BSPA have just said is feel free to cheat, as once you have cheated it's too late to change it.  So Somerset can't appeal it but what about the teams battling with Redcar for league position who were not there and part of the discussions?!   After some of the goings on this year, why are you surprised that this is the BSPAs answer   Typical BSPA - realise and acknowledge that a mistake has been made, but just brush it under the carpet.  Like I said previously, not only have Somerset been robbed of victory but every single team in the league has been effected. Complete joke of a decision, especially the last part which effectively says "hopefully lessons have been learnt" - but this proves you can cheat and get away with it if it's not picked up on immediately!  Looks like you lot are a bit error prone also - it was the Speedway Control Bureau (SCB) that made this decision, not the BSPA Edited July 11, 2015 by cyclone 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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