ABS Posted July 9, 2015 Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 Does anyone have any ideas as to who the guest riders are tomorrow? You get more coming out of a Masonic Lodge meeting than you do from either the Lakeside or Belle Vue web sites. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzie4388 Posted July 9, 2015 Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 Teams are AJ Swiderski Kennett Lawson Watt Morley Ellis Zagar Doolan R/R Zengota Nicholls Worrall Hughes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABS Posted July 9, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 Teams are AJ Swiderski Kennett Lawson Watt Morley Ellis Zagar Doolan R/R Zengota Nicholls Worrall Hughes Oh dear - Can't see Aces getting much out of this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted July 9, 2015 Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 How the hell is Kyel (sic!) Hughes is on the B draft list and so far down it? Maybe Mark Loram or Andy smith fancy making a comeback too? He's a proven 5 point PL rider so should surely be ahead of the PL 4 pointers like Bowen, Hawkins, Hall and Wilson?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Leslie Posted July 9, 2015 Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 Just 6 guests and Rider Replacement then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMungo Posted July 9, 2015 Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 (edited) Just 6 guests and Rider Replacement then? Would be a competitive 3TT Edited July 9, 2015 by MrMungo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted July 9, 2015 Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 (edited) Does anyone have any ideas as to who the guest riders are tomorrow? You get more coming out of a Masonic Lodge meeting than you do from either the Lakeside or Belle Vue web sites. Why would you want to know?? Going to a Speedway Meeting these days takes me back to my wonderful childhood... Every match I attend nowadays, I walk up to the turnstiles feeling just like I did as a seven year old when creeping down the stairs on Christmas Day morning, shaking like a leaf with anticipation as to what surprises will await me!!!... "Will it be four guests? Will it be five? Or 'joy of joys' and 'be still my beating heart', could it really be six or seven!? Will both teams use rider replacement or will it be just one?" Who would want to take this wonderful feeling away from me by ruining everything by listing the riders in advance? Thankfully not the teams' involved themselves... They obviously know how much excitement can be gleaned from not knowing how many various teams will actually be represented on the night under the tenuous guise of riding for the two teams advertised... Given the unbridled excitement that 'select teams' bring, I really can't fathom why more people don't attend Speedway these days......, I really can't.... Edited July 9, 2015 by mikebv 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted July 9, 2015 Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 Kyle Hughes tonight in the PL at reserve scored 0,0,0,0,0 😁 huge task for Belle Vue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzie4388 Posted July 9, 2015 Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 Kyle Hughes tonight in the PL at reserve scored 0,0,0,0,0 huge task for Belle Vue He was actually at Number 3 but he'll probably still score 0 tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABS Posted July 9, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 Why would you want to know?? Going to a Speedway Meeting these days takes me back to my wonderful childhood... Every match I attend nowadays, I walk up to the turnstiles feeling just like I did as a seven year old when creeping down the stairs on Christmas Day morning, shaking like a leaf with anticipation as to what surprises will await me!!!... "Will it be four guests? Will it be five? Or 'joy of joys' and 'be still my beating heart', could it really be six or seven!? Will both teams use rider replacement or will it be just one?" Who would want to take this wonderful feeling away from me by ruining everything by listing the riders in advance? Thankfully not the teams' involved themselves... They obviously know how much excitement can be gleaned from not knowing how many various teams will actually be represented on the night under the tenuous guise of riding for the two teams advertised... Given the unbridled excitement that 'select teams' bring, I really can't fathom why more people don't attend Speedway these days......, I really can't.... Just like our old days at MGS!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryn Posted July 10, 2015 Report Share Posted July 10, 2015 No weather updates? Especially for you sir then, and everyone else intending to be at tonight's meeting: 9.45am FIRST RACEDAY WEATHER CHECK: Would strongly recommend you don the shorts and Tshirts as it's going to be fine, bright, sunny and very, very warm all day! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyderd Posted July 10, 2015 Report Share Posted July 10, 2015 HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted July 10, 2015 Report Share Posted July 10, 2015 Farcical. The fixture planner(s) must have known about the WU21 meeting. Those responsible should hang their head(s) in shame. It's not as if this is an isolated incident and such matches are a major reason why the sport and it's competitions are losing credibility. It's not as if it's a difficult problem to overcome. It may not be possible to avoid every fixture clash but they could certainly be vastly reduced. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted July 10, 2015 Report Share Posted July 10, 2015 I'm surprised Belle Vue used Zengota as a guest as Lakeside is one of his worst tracks and his score reflected that. On a positive note, great to see Nicholls & Zagar back in form. I honestly think a full Belle Vue team could have got the win. Congratulations to Lakeside 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted July 10, 2015 Report Share Posted July 10, 2015 Farcical. The fixture planner(s) must have known about the WU21 meeting. Those responsible should hang their head(s) in shame. It's not as if this is an isolated incident and such matches are a major reason why the sport and it's competitions are losing credibility. It's not as if it's a difficult problem to overcome. It may not be possible to avoid every fixture clash but they could certainly be vastly reduced. Hang on a minute before you go OTT. W hen the EL fixture list I s prepared the draw for the world U/21 's had not been made so nobody's knows who is riding where. Secondly nobody had a crystal ball so it's not possible to see in advance that Fricke and Neilson would have qualified this far. Belle Vue must have said their team where available on this date when the fixtures where set out. Since you raise the point let's look at Belle Vues conduct in this. They knew from day one that Cook and Grajzonek were at PL meetings on this date. They have had the whole season to line up suitable guests.. If they bothered to check they would have seen Zengota scored six points from six rides when he came with Swindon and was probably the worst possible choice of guest. They knew before Ashley Birks was injured that they would need an EDR guest and could have booked track specialist Ben Morely who scored 5+2.for them last time but instead went for Kyle Howarth, who scored 1, leaving Lakeside to get Ben this time round. I agree fixture clashes are a pain in the posterior but they are a feature of modern speedway, and the fixture list is erratic enough as it is its out juggling round on the basis that a rider MIGHT be drawn in a particular round and MIGHT qualify for the next round. Bottom line is that Belle Vue must have known their two D/u riders were unavailable when they agreed to the fixture and despite having fou,r months to sort guests out they made just about the worst choice of guests they could have made. That is a BeLle Vue management problem not a fixture list issue. I'm surprised Belle Vue used Zengota as a guest as Lakeside is one of his worst tracks and his score reflected that. On a positive note, great to see Nicholls & Zagar back in form. I honestly think a full Belle Vue team could have got the win. Congratulations to Lakeside Zengota was hopeless. Even got beat by Adam Ellis When Nicholls comes to Lakeside he is either very good or very bad with nothing in between. This time he was very good. Made a stunning pass between Kennett and Lawson who were team riding and generally rode like someone ten years younger. He is certainly having an Indian Summer in his career this year, but whether he can keep it up next year when he is a year older remains to be seen. Probably the outstanding rider of the night though , this time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted July 11, 2015 Report Share Posted July 11, 2015 Great result from the Aces but shame about the guests and shame about the need for guests. The two fixtures we ran a Lakeside have been extremely badly placed and I can't help thinking it's planned that way. Fitting 14 fixtures into a 35 week season makes me think it's a actually harder to come up the the dates we've been required to race there. Maybe and infinite number of monkeys for next year instead of the usual one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daytripper Posted July 11, 2015 Report Share Posted July 11, 2015 Belle Vue were never going to win this. Six rides from Zagar including a t/r and some exceptionally inspired riding from Scott kept the scores reasonable but the plain fact was that once we got Zagars R/R ride for Cook out of the way in heat 6 Belle Vue just never had the middle order firepower to keep it going and couldn't plug the gaps. Craig Cook has still never ever been to Lakeside in 8 years of riding ! The so-called "man in form " Zengota was unbelievably poor. The highlight for me was the new improved Adam Ellis. Last time Belle Vue came I think he scored an unsteady looking 2, this time it was a confident paid 14 from 5 rides which shows the measure of his improvement. For all the faults of the EDR system has been a good thing for Adam to be riding in a team alongside people like AJ , and Richard Lawson, and listening to them. He is much faster from the gate now and riding better lines. TBF he was shepherded home by Lawson and Swiderski a couple of times but he still had to put himself up there to be shepherded which he wouldn't have done a few months ago, so well done to him. Nice to so Davey and Swiderski back in the Hammers side. Swiderski was everything that Zengota wasn't. a great trier and a great team man. I hope he goes well for Leicester. Davey will apparently be taking a lot of guest bookings for the injured Kim Nilsson so it will be just like old times for a while. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted July 11, 2015 Report Share Posted July 11, 2015 (edited) Wow, unbelievable. The law of averages would have seen him compete on more than one occasion. Fixture planning needs addressing but the problem, like so much else in speedway is whilst it suits some clubs nothing will change. Thats what turns fans off as it's bad enough if fate dictates the need for multiple guests, but when it's engineered it becomes very hard to take. Edited July 11, 2015 by ouch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionheart Posted July 11, 2015 Report Share Posted July 11, 2015 I will never know why BV did not take a leaf from Lord Frauds book. If the fixture looks dicey, call it off. Funnily enough Frauds move was also against Lakeside 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted July 11, 2015 Report Share Posted July 11, 2015 EI ADDIO - Grajczonek was not in the team when the fixtures were published and who knows whether representations were made by the Aces to change the fixture. Over the years we have had problems with a number of clubs refusing to change dates. So far as not knowing that Fricke and Nielsen would be in the WU21 you miss the point. What is known is that those meetings are going to be held, that teams with U 21 riders may be affected and so to arrange fixtures for the 2 Friday night clubs so that either they race clubs who will not be affected, avoid those dates or, rearrange the date if a club has signed say more than one rider, since the original fixtures were published, who has qualified for an FIM event. As I said it may not always be possible to avoid every conflict but at the moment there are far too many farcical matches such as last night's. It is undoubtedly one of the main reasons why so many fans are becoming disenchanted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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