SCB Posted July 8, 2015 Report Share Posted July 8, 2015 They get their riders from allowing their current riders to improve over a period of time, promoting Premier League riders, bringing in new overseas riders. Thinking long term. A 42 point average just promotes mediocrity. As I said, there's only 3.18 points separating the highest averaged from the lowest averaged team on the current GSAs. Hardly a huge gulf between the two It is huge. At present the lowest average 1-5 rider has a 4.5 average. So if you have to find 3 points worth of rider, you're looking for a 7.5 rider - and they don't exist, if they did, Leicester or Swindon would have them now. As no doubt would Wolves. Make the points limit too high and it does far more harm than making it too low. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truro Robin Posted July 8, 2015 Report Share Posted July 8, 2015 It is huge. At present the lowest average 1-5 rider has a 4.5 average. So if you have to find 3 points worth of rider, you're looking for a 7.5 rider - and they don't exist, if they did, Leicester or Swindon would have them now. As no doubt would Wolves. Make the points limit too high and it does far more harm than making it too low. If you read my post I said "in an ideal world". In today's current climate I would keep the points limit low in the Elite League and lower it in the Premier League to obtain more of a balance and flow of riders between the 3 leagues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted July 8, 2015 Report Share Posted July 8, 2015 If you read my post I said "in an ideal world". In today's current climate I would keep the points limit low in the Elite League and lower it in the Premier League to obtain more of a balance and flow of riders between the 3 leagues. Fair enough. And in the future, when British speedway is hopefully booming the the likes of Hancock, Laguta (x2), Woffy, Pawlicki (x2) and Emil all want in, then we can raise the limit. But for now, it needs to be cautious. As it was, this years limit was slightly above break even and probably not far short of the best team from last year anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truro Robin Posted July 8, 2015 Report Share Posted July 8, 2015 Fair enough. And in the future, when British speedway is hopefully booming the the likes of Hancock, Laguta (x2), Woffy, Pawlicki (x2) and Emil all want in, then we can raise the limit. But for now, it needs to be cautious. As it was, this years limit was slightly above break even and probably not far short of the best team from last year anyway. I have to agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpecialOne Posted July 8, 2015 Report Share Posted July 8, 2015 Fair enough. And in the future, when British speedway is hopefully booming the the likes of Hancock, Laguta (x2), Woffy, Pawlicki (x2) and Emil all want in, then we can raise the limit. But for now, it needs to be cautious. As it was, this years limit was slightly above break even and probably not far short of the best team from last year anyway. I agree, as I said for these types of riders Britain would probably still be bottom of there agenda if they came back. The end goal has to be to have these types in the Elite league but until things can be drastically changed (probably mainly race nights) and agreed with stadium owners nothing will. As such the future needs to be planned accordingly without trying to tailor a league to suit these types and to produce and even and exciting league. The last thing we want is to make changes to attract these types and have the Laguta's and Miedzinski's of this world losing interest and ruining it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted July 9, 2015 Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 Because of the way the averages has been systematically destroyed over the years, they don't serve any purpose now. They are purely fictitious figures, used when its suits. Once they were related to a riders ability, but not now. They serve no rightful purpose... Instead, Why not grade each rider at the start of each year. A committee is set up to access their ability, base on various information, Results, Improvement, Injuries, Competition etc...etc... Graded riders LH1= 5pts; LH2=4pts; HL3 =3pts; 2nd=2pts and FTR = 1pt. ................ Teams to have total 8 riders, but team strength = max 20 pts per meeting............ Got to be fairer than it is now.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted July 9, 2015 Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 Because of the way the averages has been systematically destroyed over the years, they don't serve any purpose now. They are purely fictitious figures, used when its suits. Once they were related to a riders ability, but not now. They serve no rightful purpose... Instead, Why not grade each rider at the start of each year. A committee is set up to access their ability, base on various information, Results, Improvement, Injuries, Competition etc...etc... Graded riders LH1= 5pts; LH2=4pts; HL3 =3pts; 2nd=2pts and FTR = 1pt. ................ Teams to have total 8 riders, but team strength = max 20 pts per meeting............ Got to be fairer than it is now.......... Has merit in principle - but it does depend who is on the committee?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted July 9, 2015 Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 Has merit in principle - but it does depend who is on the committee?! Quite simple really. Firstly, Have a big Committee ( they say, safety in numbers) and Secondly, Committee Members cant make decisions on their own riders.. Making it a lot fairer.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted July 9, 2015 Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 Fair enough. And in the future, when British speedway is hopefully booming the the likes of Hancock, Laguta (x2), Woffy, Pawlicki (x2) and Emil all want in, then we can raise the limit. But for now, it needs to be cautious. As it was, this years limit was slightly above break even and probably not far short of the best team from last year anyway.Wouldn't that be great SCB if those riders you named rode in this country, great stuff it won't ever happen though the GP series rules the roost along with Sweden/Poland i am even surprised Holder/Ward do the EL to be honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dj350z Posted July 9, 2015 Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 Rider control definitely would not work now. Ole Olsen would not strengthen Coventry even if it was to replace Robbo!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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