2016 Sgp Swc Calendar & Info's

[Humphrey Appleby]

What is the difference then compared to having SWC at Vojens or Målilla? Both locations are also far from rain safe.

Of course there's no difference, and both tracks have regularly held GPs as well. I can follow the logic that if expensive 'prestige' stadia are rented, it's preferable they come with a roof to ensure the meeting can go ahead in inclement weather (although of course that's no guarantee with BSI running things either). However, it's not just about where you could actually hold a SGP/SWC, but what's in it for BSI and their mates.

 

Cardiff is BSI's prestige round, and probably its cash cow as well, so I doubt it'll do anything that would potentially draw crowds or interest away. If they'd really wanted a second GP in Britain, then they could have used Coventry which is still better than some venues they currently use.

 

I suppose it'll be seen whether Belle Vue ends up being used for the SWC, but would be surprised if it ever gets a GP. It's not big enough anyway.

Edited July 25, 2015 by Humphrey Appleby

[OveFundinFan]

15000 for a gp stadium IS big enough, surely. Some of the permanent tracks used at the moment are about that size.

And 15000 will be possible at the new Belle Vue with temporary stands erected.

 

It might not be big enough if 40000 want to go like Cardiff, but 15000 in stadium, the rest watch on telly.

[Ghostwalker]

Surely Belle Vue will have a larger capacity then the rumoured track at Teterow?

[Eglese 19]

If there was a second UK/GB GP, which I doubt there ever will be while we have Cardiff (not a moan), I would have thought that 10 to 15 thousand would be a max crowd so as not to detract from Cardiff, making sure there's no doubt as to the showpiece event.

[waiheke1]

A sold out belle vue gp would have a bigger crowd than a lot of other GPS. I don't see that it should be unduly expensive, given a track already in place - just the temp seating, which some years timing could be allowed with swc.

Don't see that it would detract from cardiff attendance at all.

[SCB]

I have yet to see a reasonable argument put forward as to why GB can't have a second GP. Make it the English GP. The new National Stadium is the obvious place to have it but Coventry hardly failed in the past and is no worse than some stadium currently hosting GPs.

 

I fail to believe anyone would pick one over the other. Would anyone really not go to Coventry/Manchester because they're going to go to Cardiff? And Cardiff is a day out while Coventry/Manchester would be more of a turn up, watch a GP and go home.

 

There are GPs out there with 5-8,000 people turning up. We'd get that for a second GP.

[Humphrey Appleby]

I have yet to see a reasonable argument put forward as to why GB can't have a second GP. There are GPs out there with 5-8,000 people turning up. We'd get that for a second GP.

 

Who would promote it, and would the local council or tourist board for Manchester be prepared to stump up several thousand in sweeteners as Cardiff does?

 

As I said, if there was really a desire to have a second British GP down the years, then it could have been held at Coventry.

[Derwent]

I see, fairly standard payment for appearance arrangement, and i read somewhere BSI also pay some for travel etc. I hope they are paid well then.

 

The current prize money structure for each GP pays the GP winner $12,000, the 2nd place gets $8,800, 3rd gets $7,200 and 4th gets $6,200.

 

The money then decreases for each position and the 16th place gets paid $3,400

 

The two track reserves get $1,000 each

 

The total prize money for each GP amounts to $84,500 (~£55k at current exchange rates)

[Trees]

Who would promote it, and would the local council or tourist board for Manchester be prepared to stump up several thousand in sweeteners as Cardiff does?

 

As I said, if there was really a desire to have a second British GP down the years, then it could have been held at Coventry.

 

As you say it's all about who is gonna pay for it being held in Manchester .......

[SCB]

 

Who would promote it, and would the local council or tourist board for Manchester be prepared to stump up several thousand in sweeteners as Cardiff does?

 

As I said, if there was really a desire to have a second British GP down the years, then it could have been held at Coventry.

Surely Coventry/Manchester is comparable to Mallila? If they can make it pay surely Manchester/Coventry can?

[Humphrey Appleby]

Surely Coventry/Manchester is comparable to Mallila? If they can make it pay surely Manchester/Coventry can?

I don't think you can make any comparisons without knowing the cost bases. A lot of Swedish tracks are leased from the local councils at a peppercorn rent, whereas Belle Vue and Coventry have to pay their way their way commercially. Maybe there's also a willing promoter at Malilla and not at Coventry, or maybe the Welsh Government specified an exclusive marketing agreement in return for its financial support.

[Mark]

 

The current prize money structure for each GP pays the GP winner $12,000, the 2nd place gets $8,800, 3rd gets $7,200 and 4th gets $6,200.

 

The money then decreases for each position and the 16th place gets paid $3,400

 

The two track reserves get $1,000 each

 

The total prize money for each GP amounts to $84,500 (~£55k at current exchange rates)

How come riders get paid in dollars and not Euros

 

Pretty poor pay for the 15 at the top of thegame too.

[Ghostwalker]

Surely Coventry/Manchester is comparable to Mallila? If they can make it pay surely Manchester/Coventry can?

 

Well Målilla minicapility have 1500 inhabitants so they are not an own commume but a part of Hultsfred kommun which have about 13000 inhabitants.

 

I don't think you can make any comparisons without knowing the cost bases. A lot of Swedish tracks are leased from the local councils at a peppercorn rent, whereas Belle Vue and

Coventry have to pay their way their way commercially. Maybe there's also a willing promoter at Malilla and not at Coventry, or maybe the Welsh Government specified an exclusive

marketing agreement in return for its financial support.

 

It varies, some teams pays more, some pay less and some teams/clubs like Målilla MK (which is the official host of Målilla GP) owns their own track.

Edited July 27, 2015 by Ghostwalker

[Humphrey Appleby]

How come riders get paid in dollars and not Euros

 

Or why not Swiss francs as the FIM is based in Switzerland, and I think the prize money for other competitions is stated in CHF?

It varies, some teams pays more, some pay less and some teams/clubs like Målilla MK (which is the official host of Målilla GP) owns their own track.

 

Which immediately indicates that Målilla has lower underlying costs.

 

I thought Philippe once mentioned that the Målilla GP was jointly promoted by BSI and the local club?

Edited July 27, 2015 by Humphrey Appleby

[PHILIPRISING]

 

 

 

I thought Philippe once mentioned that the Målilla GP was jointly promoted by BSI and the local club?

IT is ...

[waiheke1]

Surely Coventry/Manchester is comparable to Mallila? If they can make it pay surely Manchester/Coventry can?

If a swc final is financially viable I don't see why a gp shouldn't be? What extra costs are there? Tbh I can only think of the bsi fee, which is moot if they promote it themselves. And u could charge higher ticket prices - surely sell out 12k with say an average ticket price of 40 quid?

With incidental spend you've got to be looking at half a million revenue before sponsorship. I presume monster provide some entertainment. The track is already laid, and the aces "own" the stadium lease so no additional cost there (presumably aces would charge bsi a modest fee if bsi promote, or aces could promote and profit share with bsi)

Malilla proved rain is not insurmountable. I really have yet to see a compelling argument against it.

[Humphrey Appleby]

Tbh I can only think of the bsi fee, which is moot if they promote it themselves.

Who said it wouldn't be financially viable if it were just a case of Belle Vue or BSI running it, but why would BSI promote it themselves, with the attendant financial risks, if other cities in Poland and elsewhere are prepared to stump up thousands of euros for the privilege? Equally, what would Belle Vue have to gain by paying BSI for the privilege of taking the financial risk?

 

I think Belle Vue will also only hold a few thousand. The extra capacity will require temporary stands which will obviously be extra cost.

 

With respect to Malilla, I recall hearing some sort of rumour that GP was originally something to do with some sort of legal settlement. I'm sure Philippe can clarify though...

Edited July 28, 2015 by Humphrey Appleby

[SCB]

If a swc final is financially viable I don't see why a gp shouldn't be? What extra costs are there? Tbh I can only think of the bsi fee, which is moot if they promote it themselves. And u could charge higher ticket prices - surely sell out 12k with say an average ticket price of 40 quid?

With incidental spend you've got to be looking at half a million revenue before sponsorship. I presume monster provide some entertainment. The track is already laid, and the aces "own" the stadium lease so no additional cost there (presumably aces would charge bsi a modest fee if bsi promote, or aces could promote and profit share with bsi)

Malilla proved rain is not insurmountable. I really have yet to see a compelling argument against it.

TBF, I don't think you could charge anything like £40 a ticket at Coventry. You're probably pushing it at much more than £25. Still plenty of room to make a nice profit there.

[New Science]

If a swc final is financially viable I don't see why a gp shouldn't be? What extra costs are there? Tbh I can only think of the bsi fee, which is moot if they promote it themselves. And u could charge higher ticket prices - surely sell out 12k with say an average ticket price of 40 quid?

With incidental spend you've got to be looking at half a million revenue before sponsorship. I presume monster provide some entertainment. The track is already laid, and the aces "own" the stadium lease so no additional cost there (presumably aces would charge bsi a modest fee if bsi promote, or aces could promote and profit share with bsi)

Malilla proved rain is not insurmountable. I really have yet to see a compelling argument against it.

At £40 a go what if people, particularly from the North of Britain decide to Knock an expensive weekend in Cardiff on the head.Cue 30,000 at Cardiff,then that GP will become not financially viable.The golden goose will be dead, Edited July 28, 2015 by New Science

[waiheke1]

I would have thought there would be very few who would flag cardiff, the majoriry would surely do this in addition? As well as attracting those who cannot afford cardiff, or even "lapsed" northern fans, who may then be tempted to do cardiff as well?