Wiseguy Posted July 6, 2015 Report Share Posted July 6, 2015 Where do you suggest the new home of Belle Vue should be built then. London maybe but it seems a tad far for Aces supporters to travel every week. Birminghams is fairly central but again quite a way to travel and would Manchester City Council be as keen to help fund a stadium 100 miles away. No on reflection I think a venue in Manchester is the best place to build a track for the Belle Vue Aces of Manchester Wow there are some sarcastic people on this thread eh, I was of course referring to "the national speedway stadium" which I know little about hence the questions, I am sure it would be even more ridiculous to build such a thing and not let the local team use it every week. Can I also assume then that Belle vue have funded this completely themselves I have already been told that this is the wrong place to ask such ridiculous questions so wind your neck in a bit, no wonder people leave this forum, you won't bully me off though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted July 6, 2015 Report Share Posted July 6, 2015 Wow there are some sarcastic people on this thread eh, I was of course referring to "the national speedway stadium" which I know little about hence the questions, I am sure it would be even more ridiculous to build such a thing and not let the local team use it every week. Can I also assume then that Belle vue have funded this completely themselves I have already been told that this is the wrong place to ask such ridiculous questions so wind your neck in a bit, no wonder people leave this forum, you won't bully me off though You're not allowed to ask questions about it, or even comment. It proves you're a jealous hater who wants it to fail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiseguy Posted July 6, 2015 Report Share Posted July 6, 2015 You're not allowed to ask questions about it, or even comment. It proves you're a jealous hater who wants it to fail. Always had a lot of time for Belle Vue to be honest, just didn't know the ins and outs of the new stadium, And yes I am a bit jealous because I have no team to support, wouldn't call it hating though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldace Posted July 6, 2015 Report Share Posted July 6, 2015 Wow there are some sarcastic people on this thread eh, I was of course referring to "the national speedway stadium" which I know little about hence the questions, I am sure it would be even more ridiculous to build such a thing and not let the local team use it every week. Can I also assume then that Belle vue have funded this completely themselves I have already been told that this is the wrong place to ask such ridiculous questions so wind your neck in a bit, no wonder people leave this forum, you won't bully me off though National Speedway Stadium is, in essence just a name. It is the new home of Belle Vue. The funding is partially from Manchester City Council to be paid back over a number of years and it is in keeping with the overall re development of East Manchester in general and this area in particular, as a "Sport City". Like Shawn says if you expressed any doubts about this ever being built then you wanted it to fail and should now be hanging your head in shame Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted July 6, 2015 Report Share Posted July 6, 2015 Always had a lot of time for Belle Vue to be honest, just didn't know the ins and outs of the new stadium, And yes I am a bit jealous because I have no team to support, wouldn't call it hating though It's weird on here about that stadium. A few people were cynical. a few of us have criticized the bigging up that some of the stages got (and then been amazed at the lack of fanfare for the actually rubber stamping of the planning committee and the actually building work). But when people ask questions or show a bit of cynicism some (not all btw) BV fans get really uptight about it and treat it as if you have just urinated through their letter box! I'll try and answer your question for you as best as I can. The stadium is the home of BV speedway. It's being funded by a free loan from Manchester council to BV speedway to be paid over something like 60 years. The BSPA/SCB/ACU have nothing to do with it. It was announced that the stadium was going to host "World Championship events" in the begin and actually specifically claimed it was going to host the 2013 SWC final (some still won't accept that it didn't happen, cannot happen and that my cynicism around that claim proved correct!). They will apparently have a lot of training time available as the stadium won't be a tenant but the landlord to anyone else using the stadium. And planning conditions allow for quite a bit of training on certain days. You'd think that a "National Speedway Stadium" would host the GB final and a GP but don't even hint at that because some of the touhcy types will be on screaming at you that it's never been mentioned that a GP will be hosted, and they're right - it just seemed like a reasonable assumption and may still actually happen, why if Poland has 2 and 3 GPs every year, Sweden has 2, Denmark has had two that GB couldn't have two, an English and a Welsh GP should be do-able. I'll end by saying that ANY stadium that is purpose built for speedway with speedway as the landlord or main tenant can only be a good thing (although Leicester have tried it mess it up and Newport has gone). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiseguy Posted July 6, 2015 Report Share Posted July 6, 2015 National Speedway Stadium is, in essence just a name. It is the new home of Belle Vue. The funding is partially from Manchester City Council to be paid back over a number of years and it is in keeping with the overall re development of East Manchester in general and this area in particular, as a "Sport City". Like Shawn says if you expressed any doubts about this ever being built then you wanted it to fail and should now be hanging your head in shame I certainly haven't expressed any doubts at all, I think it is great, to be honest I wasn't aware of it when the planning stage was happening It's weird on here about that stadium. A few people were cynical. a few of us have criticized the bigging up that some of the stages got (and then been amazed at the lack of fanfare for the actually rubber stamping of the planning committee and the actually building work). But when people ask questions or show a bit of cynicism some (not all btw) BV fans get really uptight about it and treat it as if you have just urinated through their letter box! I'll try and answer your question for you as best as I can. The stadium is the home of BV speedway. It's being funded by a free loan from Manchester council to BV speedway to be paid over something like 60 years. The BSPA/SCB/ACU have nothing to do with it. It was announced that the stadium was going to host "World Championship events" in the begin and actually specifically claimed it was going to host the 2013 SWC final (some still won't accept that it didn't happen, cannot happen and that my cynicism around that claim proved correct!). They will apparently have a lot of training time available as the stadium won't be a tenant but the landlord to anyone else using the stadium. And planning conditions allow for quite a bit of training on certain days. You'd think that a "National Speedway Stadium" would host the GB final and a GP but don't even hint at that because some of the touhcy types will be on screaming at you that it's never been mentioned that a GP will be hosted, and they're right - it just seemed like a reasonable assumption and may still actually happen, why if Poland has 2 and 3 GPs every year, Sweden has 2, Denmark has had two that GB couldn't have two, an English and a Welsh GP should be do-able. I'll end by saying that ANY stadium that is purpose built for speedway with speedway as the landlord or main tenant can only be a good thing (although Leicester have tried it mess it up and Newport has gone). Great post, all the answers I was looking for, without the assumption that I am anti anything, I also would have thought Britain would be capable of holding a 2nd Grand Prix without it taking anything away from Cardiff, but that would only be my opinion, even if it is just every 2 or 3 years Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erniewoodhouse Posted July 6, 2015 Report Share Posted July 6, 2015 I applaud any new speedway stadium in this country, good luck to Belle Vue and I hope they have a successful and profitable tenure. I think it will be a great place to host SWC, Individual and team meetings, however, I believe the limited capacity may preclude it hosting a GP. There were over 40000 at Cardiff this year and I can't see Manchester being able to cope with anywhere near that number. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
customhouseregular Posted July 6, 2015 Report Share Posted July 6, 2015 No it isn't Niiamh It is more convenient than Cardiff for most supporters given the geographical location of most tracks. Question! If the British GP was held at the Etihad in Manchester rather than the Millenium in Cardiff, would it attract a bigger crowd?. My view is Yes, it would but others' opinion would be welcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Panda Posted July 6, 2015 Report Share Posted July 6, 2015 It is more convenient than Cardiff for most supporters given the geographical location of most tracks. Question! If the British GP was held at the Etihad in Manchester rather than the Millenium in Cardiff, would it attract a bigger crowd?. My view is Yes, it would but others' opinion would be welcome. From a lot of peoples point of view it would be more difficult...............it takes us on average 3 hours to get to Cardiff sometimes less dependent on traffic............last time we went up to Manchester on a Friday night (well to Runcorn in Cheshire which is not that far away) it took us 6 hours............keep it at Cardiff................. RP 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullbore Posted July 6, 2015 Report Share Posted July 6, 2015 If the British GP was held at the Etihad in Manchester rather than the Millenium in Cardiff, would it attract a bigger crowd?. Well for rain watching certainly What's the surrounding area like for pubs, bars and restaurents? Niamh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiseguy Posted July 6, 2015 Report Share Posted July 6, 2015 Is there a reason why a speedway gp couldn't be held at Wembley? Not saying it should, just asking if it could Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted July 6, 2015 Report Share Posted July 6, 2015 Is there a reason why a speedway gp couldn't be held at Wembley? Not saying it should, just asking if it could Probably too big and too expensive to rent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted July 6, 2015 Report Share Posted July 6, 2015 Probably too big and too expensive to rent. And of course according to Phil,London,one of the main tourist attractions in Europe and hosts of the very successful Olympics is,wait for it,not easy to get to!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted July 6, 2015 Report Share Posted July 6, 2015 (edited) THE last time I looked neither Wembley nor the Olympic Stadium is in the centre of London in the manner that the Millennium is to Cardiff with its close proximity to so many bars, restaurants, hotels, etc. I am sure that is one of the many things fans love about Cardiff. Wembley would never embrace speedway as does the Millennium, there is no roof, okay, not a cast iron guarantee against a cancellation but at least weather-proof. Also, one of the many attributes of the Millennium, as was superbly illustrated by Saturday's terrific opening ceremony, it's ability to be turned into almost total darkness in the middle of summer. Cannot honestly think of one area in which Wembley would be favoured over the Millennium for speedway's showcase event. Edited July 6, 2015 by PHILIPRISING 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted July 6, 2015 Report Share Posted July 6, 2015 (edited) - Edited July 6, 2015 by f-s-p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adder Posted July 6, 2015 Report Share Posted July 6, 2015 I thought the capacity at Belle Vue was going to be around 5,000 not 25,000 ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiseguy Posted July 6, 2015 Report Share Posted July 6, 2015 I thought the capacity at Belle Vue was going to be around 5,000 not 25,000 ? I may have been wide of the mark on that, I thought it was what I had read but probably not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted July 6, 2015 Report Share Posted July 6, 2015 THE last time I looked neither Wembley nor the Olympic Stadium is in the centre of London in the manner that the Millennium is to Cardiff Neither is Friends Arena and lack of close proximity to bars and etc doesn't seem to be a problem for Målilla? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiseguy Posted July 6, 2015 Report Share Posted July 6, 2015 Hadn't really thought of the Olympic Stadium The infrastructure was put in for the Olympics to get people in and out of the venue with ease though, you can get there in 5 minutes on a train from Kings Cross, would only take me 13 minutes from Kent. and there would be no shortage of hotels, also most people could, if they liked still travel home on the late train if they wished. you would lose the pre meeting atmosphere though as people descend from all over, and I think they can do an opening ceremony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted July 6, 2015 Report Share Posted July 6, 2015 (edited) I thought the capacity at Belle Vue was going to be around 5,000 not 25,000 ? For normal meetings but they can bring in a temp stand or seating for special events, but not sure if it will be anywhere near 25000. One other problem in not having a roof is the problem of the weather. Tonight they have another rain off, that is 50% of their meetings cancelled so far this season, who is going to risk travelling with a record like that. I know it can rain anywhere but they do seem to get a lot in that area. Edited July 6, 2015 by A ORLOV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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