Belle Vue V Lakeside Mon 6th July

[customhouseregular]

Rules, stupid rules and complete b******s.

[mdmc82]

It's more important.

 

Both Poole and Coventry had all but qualified for the pokc so that meeting was just a meaningless filler instead of a crackerjack meeting between the top two sides.

 

Dont worry though, as I said both teams are in the pokc so could race each other in the semi or even the final, sadly that'll be in October though so don't rule out another rain affected affair.

Those 4points could be the difference between who finishes top of the league so wasn't really meaningless. It wasn't meaningless when it came to Horton's financial loss.

Just not sure why we are told in a statement that because Horton didn't answer Saturday morning when the weather was lovely to call it off early, he was then not allowed to call it off Sunday or on Monday when the weather had been terrible all day (as experienced by the other Midlands club who called theirs off early)

 

What happened to the rule that was suddenly announced after the 1st June but now seems to have been forgotten again?

 

It will be interesting to see if the rule returns next week if it's raining for Swindon V Poole

Edited July 6, 2015 by mdmc82

[mdmc82]

Finishes top? Oh yeah that really means something now we've got the pokc, lol!

It does if you want first pick.

Rules should be the same for every team

[screm]

GO Speed International Ltd (GSI), the company responsible for managing British Speedway’s contract with Sky Sports, would like to make the following comments following Monday’s Elite League meeting between Coventry and Poole.

Go Speed International Managing Director, Terry Russell, said: “Our role is to try and keep all parties happy whenever possible – Sky Sports, the individual clubs, the British Speedway Promoters’ Association and more.

“We were concerned by the weather forecast for Monday and informed the Coventry management we needed to speak to them on Saturday morning to potentially postpone the meeting. Unfortunately, we could not get hold of the Coventry management at that time.

“Our agreement with Sky Sports is that, in the event of a poor forecast, we can give them the option to postpone 48-hours in advance at little or no cost to the broadcaster – and at the same time we would offer the staging club another TV date. Win, win.

“However, once the 48-hour threshold had passed, every effort was made to stage the meeting as Sky were committed to the broadcast.

“The track was fine at the start but deteriorated because the rain finally arrived – rain which had been forecast earlier in the day.

“At no time did Sky Sports have a say in whether the meeting went ahead, if the track had been waterlogged during the day it would have been postponed there and then – but it wasn’t.

“Sky were quite prepared to run a ‘filler’ show in the event of no racing, but when it was obvious the track was fine, both teams were happy to race.

“During the meeting, the steward and co-ordinator liase with the managers and captains and the meeting went to the end of Heat 10, admittedly in far from ideal circumstances. Once again, Sky Sports had nothing to do with this decision.

“It’s a delicate balancing act trying to keep everyone happy – and the fans inside the stadium were obviously disappointed for which we apologise.

“We sincerely hope this situation never arises again – but

 

This is the statement released by GoSpeed, unfortunate last sentence as we didn't have to wait all that long for the situation to arise again.

[Star Lady]

It will be interesting to see if the rule returns next week if it's raining for Swindon V Poole

As Pearson and Tatum will be wetting themselves over the return of the messiah, you won't even notice the rain

[mikebv]

GO Speed International Ltd (GSI), the company responsible for managing British Speedway’s contract with Sky Sports, would like to make the following comments following Monday’s Elite League meeting between Coventry and Poole.

 

Go Speed International Managing Director, Terry Russell, said: “Our role is to try and keep all parties happy whenever possible – Sky Sports, the individual clubs, the British Speedway Promoters’ Association and more.

 

“We were concerned by the weather forecast for Monday and informed the Coventry management we needed to speak to them on Saturday morning to potentially postpone the meeting. Unfortunately, we could not get hold of the Coventry management at that time.

 

This is the statement released by GoSpeed, unfortunate last sentence as we didn't have to wait all that long for the situation to arise again.

So you can only presume from this that no one at GSI knows absolutely anyone in any way connected to the Cov promoters, managers and, riders...?

 

They also therefore must have no phone numbers for anyone else in the whole of the sport (including refs) who may have a phone number belonging to anyone in any way connected to Cov...?

 

And you also must conclude, that they cannot have any access to the internet to be able to send an email to anyone within the Cov set up, or indeed not be able to even get a message out via the various social media links that exist..??

 

And these people have a massive influence on the destiny and success of the sport....?

 

Go figure.....

[Aces51]

For all anyone on here knows Sky could have been given the option to call it off 48 hours before but decided not to do so. Also, to be accurate, it wasn't Belle Vue who called it off, it was the meeting referee.

[JamieE]

Disgraceful from all involved in the call off! A decision based on common sense, which protects rider safety and stops fans wasting money on going along to watch a poor product, in what would just be a bad advert for speedway anyway. Who do these decision makers think they are?! Making such reasonable, logical decisions. Us tv viewers demand live speedway as scheduled whatever the weather. Time to cancel my subscription!

[mdmc82]

Disgraceful from all involved in the call off! A decision based on common sense, which protects rider safety and stops fans wasting money on going along to watch a poor product, in what would just be a bad advert for speedway anyway. Who do these decision makers think they are?! Making such reasonable, logical decisions. Us tv viewers demand live speedway as scheduled whatever the weather. Time to cancel my subscription!

If only the decision was the same for all teams 👍🏻

[Phlipphlopp]

If only the decision was the same for all teams

Are you gavan in disguise , only much more boring ? Talk about moan , jeez.

[SteveLyric2]

If only the decision was the same for all teams

Perhaps it is - its just the various 'statements' that give the situation a different slant!!

[cambpanther]

So what will b on sky now then?

[Jacques]

So what will b on sky now then?

 

Not the PL Pairs

[SPEEDY69]

So what's different about this meeting?

why were Belle Vue able to call it off a couple of hours before the meeting when the GSI statement says it has to be 48hours before which was the reason why Coventry were not allowed to call it off on the 1st June even though it had been terrible all day

As i see it and said on the Coventry thread previously, there is no rule about calling off 48hrs beforehand. What the gospeed statement said to me was that if it's not called off with at least 48hrs notice, then Sky incur costs which in some way are recovered from gospeed/bspa.

 

This is nothing to do with postponing meetings, which is in the hands of scb etc, as with any other meeting. As we all know cov vs poole, the track was absolutely fine at the start whereas the belle vue one was not. Completely different scenario. I'm always a bit suspicious off call-offs based on the oh so reliable weather forecasts!

[Mini Jack]

Didn't the track covers work?

They were in Cardiff, just in case 😉.

[foreverblue]

It's more important.

 

Both Poole and Coventry had all but qualified for the pokc so that meeting was just a meaningless filler instead of a crackerjack meeting between the top two sides.

 

Dont worry though, as I said both teams are in the pokc so could race each other in the semi or even the final, sadly that'll be in October though so don't rule out another rain affected affair.

 

So many of the meetings involving the best teams in the league become meaningless while the also rans like Belle Vue and Lakeside find their mid table mediocre affairs artificially made more important.

 

Ah well, them's the rules.

Not meaningless at all, both sides need the points to get first pick which could be vital. Belle Vue could easily still make the play offs so their meeting wasnt meaningless mid table either and it will probably be sunny in october Edited July 7, 2015 by foreverblue

[oldace]

What do you mean if? It has to be called off 48hours in advance otherwise it has to go ahead regardless of the weather. Weren't they the rules?

 

 

No, that is just some nonsense you made up.

 

The statement was quite clear. If a club severely doubts a match will go ahead (current state of track combined with forecast) then a call off more than 48 hours in advance means the OB hasn,t been mobilized and will incur SKY in no cost, it will also give them time to possibly re locate to another match.

 

With less than 48 hours everything has started to swing into place re covering that match, costs incurred etc and they would like to do everything possible to get the meeting on.

 

It is a perfectly reasonable request

[mdmc82]

 

 

No, that is just some nonsense you made up.

 

The statement was quite clear. If a club severely doubts a match will go ahead (current state of track combined with forecast) then a call off more than 48 hours in advance means the OB hasn,t been mobilized and will incur SKY in no cost, it will also give them time to possibly re locate to another match.

 

With less than 48 hours everything has started to swing into place re covering that match, costs incurred etc and they would like to do everything possible to get the meeting on.

 

It is a perfectly reasonable request

I think the only person full of nonsense is you. (Sigh) Horton was told he wasn't allowed to call off the meeting when he tried to earlier Monday. He was not allowed to on the evening either.

 

If maybe you read the statement again you will see that 😉

 

Our agreement with Sky Sports is that, in the event of a poor forecast, we can give them the option to postpone 48-hours in advance at little or no cost to the broadcaster and at the same time we would offer the staging club another TV date. Win, win.

 

However, once the 48-hour threshold had passed, every effort was made to stage the meeting as Sky were committed to the broadcast.

(This is why he was told no when he wanted to call it off on the day)

 

I agree Belle Vue's meeting was right being called off. I just think it should be the same for all teams and not different rules if your above Poole in the league. 😉

Edited July 7, 2015 by mdmc82

[foreverblue]

I think the only person full of nonsense is you. (Sigh) Horton was told he wasn't allowed to call off the meeting when he tried to earlier Monday. He was not allowed to on the evening either.

 

If maybe you read the statement again you will see that 😉

 

Our agreement with Sky Sports is that, in the event of a poor forecast, we can give them the option to postpone 48-hours in advance at little or no cost to the broadcaster and at the same time we would offer the staging club another TV date. Win, win.

 

However, once the 48-hour threshold had passed, every effort was made to stage the meeting as Sky were committed to the broadcast.

(This is why he was told no when he wanted to call it off on the day)

 

I agree Belle Vue's meeting was right being called off. I just think it should be the same for all teams and not different rules if your above Poole in the league. 😉

Perhaps Coventry shouldnt have tried so hard to get the track raceable, got the hosepipe out and made it unraceable!

[foreverblue]

Well the bit about our otherwise meaningless mid table meeting becoming important is correct, that's how it works. Us mid table teams get something to race for while the uber teams just race out their last few meetings testing set ups or whatever they call it. There is a saying, you can't polish a lort.

 

Sadly very few people share your enthusiasm for finishing top anymore, as demonstrated last season when Kings Lynn came to Belle Vue for a meeting which could have seen them finish top of the big boys league for the first time in their history, nobody was bothered. Shame.

 

You could be right about the weather in October of course but watching the elite league programme sky put out last night it can't have escaped your attention that both the pre pokc titles were won on dry tracks in front of big crowds. That's how it used to work, the top teams always attracted big crowds (unlike bv v kl last season) all season now the top teams are just marking time waiting for the thrilling rain affected pokc.

Its rain affected whatever month you have the play offs probably. I am sure Kings Lynn tried hard but with Bjerre in your side you always have the feeling they don't try! although he probably didn't ride in that meeting.

Edited July 7, 2015 by foreverblue