Eglese 19 Posted July 19, 2015 Report Share Posted July 19, 2015 Not the most thrilling meeting last night and then it hammered down so no finals, not great. At least it's only a week until the next one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelvinht Posted July 19, 2015 Report Share Posted July 19, 2015 If Doyle had drifted out into Harris's path after passing then agree Doyle should have gone, but he didn't, he stayed close to the kerb (ditto his Kildemand pass at Cardiff). Pedersen's pass of Kildemand at Cardiff was the correct call as Pedersen didn't have enough room to make the pass in the first place. I know its a thin line, but feel the ref is getting it wrong in some cases.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pugwash Posted July 19, 2015 Report Share Posted July 19, 2015 Not the most thrilling meeting last night and then it hammered down so no finals, not great. At least it's only a week until the next one Can't wait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted July 20, 2015 Report Share Posted July 20, 2015 Sorry i cant quite believe what im reading here people seriously think Harris should be excluded???? ive watched speedway for 34 years and never would i have said that Harris was in anyway to blame. Harris was in front he can do what he likes, shut the door , or what he actually did which was hold his line Doyle came in with to much speed and took his wheel away. It was one of the most obvious exclusions ive seen When he is excluded Doyle makes no issue out of it. He knew he was in the wrong. Look at the race Doyle looks back as soon as he hit Harris This forum is about opinions but i cant believe anyone thinks Doyle should have stayed in! 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted July 20, 2015 Report Share Posted July 20, 2015 Sorry i cant quite believe what im reading here people seriously think Harris should be excluded???? ive watched speedway for 34 years and never would i have said that Harris was in anyway to blame. Harris was in front he can do what he likes, shut the door , or what he actually did which was hold his line Doyle came in with to much speed and took his wheel away. It was one of the most obvious exclusions ive seen When he is excluded Doyle makes no issue out of it. He knew he was in the wrong. Look at the race Doyle looks back as soon as he hit Harris This forum is about opinions but i cant believe anyone thinks Doyle should have stayed in! WOULDN'T argue with any of that except, as a top referee told me recent, it is a fallacy to believe that a rider in front "can do anything he wants." There are exceptions where a rider can be excluded despite being front of an opponent although this obviously wasn't the case with Harris on Saturday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted July 20, 2015 Report Share Posted July 20, 2015 WOULDN'T argue with any of that except, as a top referee told me recent, it is a fallacy to believe that a rider in front "can do anything he wants." There are exceptions where a rider can be excluded despite being front of an opponent although this obviously wasn't the case with Harris on Saturday. there is. obviously if you turn left down a straight to block then yes you are out. but Harris just rode his line, yes he turned to go into the corner but nothing like a sharp left. Doyle just went in to quick and caught him. I think its pretty obvious that Doyle accepted the decision but you were there Phil did he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted July 20, 2015 Report Share Posted July 20, 2015 there is. obviously if you turn left down a straight to block then yes you are out. but Harris just rode his line, yes he turned to go into the corner but nothing like a sharp left. Doyle just went in to quick and caught him. I think its pretty obvious that Doyle accepted the decision but you were there Phil did he? Don`t think Phil was there-I saw a very pretty face doing the picks board for the semi`s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted July 20, 2015 Report Share Posted July 20, 2015 Don`t think Phil was there-I saw a very pretty face doing the picks board for the semi`s WHAT are you trying to say Wasn't there (personal reasons) but you will have to put up with my ugly mug again in Malilla on Saturday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozrik Posted July 20, 2015 Report Share Posted July 20, 2015 Good riding by Holder, Batchelor and Doyle. Thought the racing was hard and tight, even without so much passing. Doyle went in fast under Harris, but not fast enough, Harris should enjoy those 3 points, because he wont be there next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javw Posted July 20, 2015 Report Share Posted July 20, 2015 Good riding by Holder, Batchelor and Doyle. Thought the racing was hard and tight, even without so much passing. Doyle went in fast under Harris, but not fast enough, Harris should enjoy those 3 points, because he wont be there next year. He will if he qualifies ! . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graz gp Posted July 20, 2015 Report Share Posted July 20, 2015 Boring. The track was too slick. If the cut back does not work for Woffindin, what happens then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill94d Posted July 21, 2015 Report Share Posted July 21, 2015 I too have watched speedway for 50 years. I can't remember seeing so many bale outs in the days before air fences. Or am I a cynic? Yes people were knocked off or fell off but that was racing. Without getting into the Harris/Doyle thing am I the only one thinking like this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Science Posted July 21, 2015 Report Share Posted July 21, 2015 When are the idiots , sorry, EXPERTS, in charge of this sport finally going to engage more than half a brain cell when running these meetings and realise that WHEN rain is forecast, you don't bugger about with tedious presentations/introductions and delays BEFORE the first race actually takes place?!!...Its FINE to do all that then there is no chance of any bad weather but thats now 2 out of 5 GP's (SUPPOSED to be the pinnacle events of the sport, although with some of the riders who ARE in it and some who are NOT this year then thats a bit of a joke anyway!) that havent managed to get to their conclusion. No-one can control the weather, BUT you can control many other things and work around it so that the public, once again, don't get short changed. I can say as someone who was there that the parade started at 18:50 and the first race took place at 19:00. The track was watered and graded after every 4 heats as is the norm.Before heat 16 the rain started and the track was only graded not watered.It rained all through heats 16 - 20 at which time there was a natural break while the draw was made for the semi finals.At this point it was raining heavily and it was still raining half an hour after the abandonment.The organisers or the track staff could have done no more to see this meeting through to conclusion unless your indicating that racing should continue regardless through puddles in monsoon conditions. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eglese 19 Posted July 21, 2015 Report Share Posted July 21, 2015 I too have watched speedway for 50 years. I can't remember seeing so many bale outs in the days before air fences. Or am I a cynic? Yes people were knocked off or fell off but that was racing. Without getting into the Harris/Doyle thing am I the only one thinking like this? Never really thought about them increasing but I do think we see a few, much like what Nicki said. However, with the rules as they are if your race is ruined by contact maybe it just makes sense to lay it down? I guess it relates to the argument in football about when should a player go down under contact. I'm not saying what's right or wrong, for me Doyle was right to be excluded and he looked as if he had no complaints but then I've never ridden a speedway bike so I don't know what it's like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill94d Posted July 21, 2015 Report Share Posted July 21, 2015 Never really thought about them increasing but I do think we see a few, much like what Nicki said. However, with the rules as they are if your race is ruined by contact maybe it just makes sense to lay it down? I guess it relates to the argument in football about when should a player go down under contact. I'm not saying what's right or wrong, for me Doyle was right to be excluded and he looked as if he had no complaints but then I've never ridden a speedway bike so I don't know what it's like. I think it has to do with riding styles too. The old foot forward Barry Briggs would not have been knocked off by Doyly. There is a lot more balance than 3 points of contact as there used to be. If he did come off there was no soft landing so staying on was all important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted July 22, 2015 Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 THE most common comment from ex-riders about the 'modern style' is not having their right leg firmly on the footrest at all times... Briggs, et al will tell you that's where they get stability as bill94d suggests. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill94d Posted July 22, 2015 Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 THE most common comment from ex-riders about the 'modern style' is not having their right leg firmly on the footrest at all times... Briggs, et al will tell you that's where they get stability as bill94d suggests. Well said Philip! 3 points of contact are better than 2 but one, your backside is stupid! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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