ch958 Posted July 1, 2015 Report Share Posted July 1, 2015 What about the Bears you know what they do in the woods 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted July 1, 2015 Report Share Posted July 1, 2015 That is ridiculous! What was the Confederacy fighting for in the Civil War? Comparing the Confederate flag to race jackets with "cartoon" devil and hitmen logos is absurd. They are two completely different things. Would you be happy with a team to have a swastika logo on their race jacket? Accusing someone "of ridiculous political correctness" because they are not happy to accept something that more and more people find unacceptable is a pretty lame argument I completely agree with your first paragraph but not your second. Racism is still a problem in this country and so casually using the Confederate flag anywhere as a logo is still an issue, I think. They were fighting for the right to secede from the United States. For Example: States Rights. Slavery only became a major reason after Lincoln's Emancipation Bill in 1863 a whole two years after the Civil War commenced. It was seen as a watershed time in the War. Lincoln needed a victory to introduce his Emancipation Act. He got that at Antietam in 1862. See below: http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/featured_documents/emancipation_proclamation/ Further Information below regarding the Battle: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antietam_National_Battlefield Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldace Posted July 1, 2015 Report Share Posted July 1, 2015 I thought the Confederate flag represented the 'Dukes of Hazzard',,, just a couple of good old boys, jumping in and out of cars and driving recklessly all over the county, getting chased off the law and brewing illicit drink,,, hardly roll models for children of today's society,,, mmm Sounds like Darcy Ward back in Aussie during the close season 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truro Robin Posted July 1, 2015 Report Share Posted July 1, 2015 They were fighting for the right to secede from the United States. For Example: States Rights. Slavery only became a major reason after Lincoln's Emancipation Bill in 1863 a whole two years after the Civil War commenced. It was seen as a watershed time in the War. Lincoln needed a victory to introduce his Emancipation Act. He got that at Antietam in 1862. See below: http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/featured_documents/emancipation_proclamation/ Further Information below regarding the Battle: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antietam_National_Battlefield But slavery had been an issue that had been building up since the 1850s and was one of the reasons for those states seeking secession. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted July 1, 2015 Report Share Posted July 1, 2015 (edited) But slavery had been an issue that had been building up since the 1850s and was one of the reasons for those states seeking secession. Very true - but it was not the main cause of the War. As regards the Battle Flag - I view it as just that. I have said before, a lot of people fought and died under that Flag and it should be honoured as such. The fact that White Supremacists have taken it as there own does in no way devalue what the Battle Flag means to some folk in the South. I have already stated that the flying of the Flag from Public Buildings should be banned - it is a shame but the association with Racism is etched in some people's mind these days. Edited July 1, 2015 by The White Knight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Leslie Posted July 1, 2015 Report Share Posted July 1, 2015 I have already stated that the flying of the Fag from Public Buildings should be banned That would be homophobic 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted July 1, 2015 Report Share Posted July 1, 2015 (edited) That would be homophobic Ooops!!!! I will Edit. No offense meant. Edited: John Cheers. Edited July 1, 2015 by The White Knight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sotonian Posted July 1, 2015 Report Share Posted July 1, 2015 As a side issue, over 13% of the British population is "non-white". This is certainly not reflected in the attendances at the tracks or those competing on them. They won't be there to be offended by the Rebel flag then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truro Robin Posted July 1, 2015 Report Share Posted July 1, 2015 They won't be there to be offended by the Rebel flag then. So, in your opinion, you have to be black to be offended by it then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted July 1, 2015 Report Share Posted July 1, 2015 Yeah....they sh*t. Just like the dirty cats that empty their bowels in my garden! get a dog,,, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post John Leslie Posted July 1, 2015 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 1, 2015 get a dog,,, The German Shepherd from next door keeps jumping over the fence and crapping on my lawn... ...and now his dog has started doing it as well. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MassMarauder Posted July 1, 2015 Report Share Posted July 1, 2015 My god, sorry but there are some truly ignorant Brits in this thread. The Confederate battle flag is a symbol of hate and bigotry - and is being (finally) taken down from the public square across this country. The heritage being celebrated is one of slave owning whites. The use of the flag as part of the logo for a sports team, anywhere, is simply not appropriate. It's time for Somerset to retire the flag, the nickname etc and become something else. Just because you are in the UK makes no difference at all. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25228412/doug-baldwin-on-rebel-flag-what-does-southern-heritage-really-mean Ever heard of the civil rights movement? In the late 40's, the flag was an adopted symbol of the segregationist Dixiecrat party. Article 4 of their platform stated, "We stand for the segregation of the races." In 1956, the battle flag was a prominent feature on the redesign of Georgia's state flag partly in response to the Supreme Court's ruling to desegregate schools just two years earlier. They have since removed it. The argument we hear today is that the flag represents "Southern Heritage" and "Southern Pride". The only relevant "heritage" I could find in history not pertaining to civil war was associated with racism and segregation. Is this the heritage and pride you speak of? That brings me full circle. By understanding the significant historical symbolism of Robert E. Lee's battle flag, we can easily identify the various messages that flying the flag represents. But to all of you exercising your right to freedom of speech, do you even know what you are supporting? To those arguing against the flag, make sure your argument is based on the facts. I'm sure there are those individuals that understand what the flag stands for and still support it. And to that group I say, may God bless you because I'm having a hard time with grace myself. As a 26 year old who grew up in the south around many supporters of the confederate flag, I would like to ask those same people to answer this question: What does southern pride and heritage really mean? Is it the sweet tea and hospitality? Or is this a sense of pride for the rebellious actions against a national government who had the audacity to say that secession was unconstitutional and slavery was wrong? Furthermore, I'd like to ask, how does this symbol which produces such a strong feeling of offense by those who were oppressed under it, best represent that pride and heritage? If you can answer these questions and defend this flag in a way that isn't rooted in a sense of emotional, stubborn, pride for the oppressive intent this flag has represented in the past, then I'll gladly commend you for it. But until then, I'll be patiently waiting for the day ignorance can educate itself and will do my part to try and educate it in an assertive, respectful manner. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
van wolfswinkel Posted July 1, 2015 Report Share Posted July 1, 2015 Pretty soon the only place to buy a confederate flag will be the black market...oh the irony! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor Posted July 1, 2015 Report Share Posted July 1, 2015 All this fuss about the confederate flag, it wasn't an issue for left wingers when it was used by the Democrats Bill Clinton and Al Gore. , http://www.exploringthenews.com/breaking-news/their-rules-when-will-the-media-ask-hillary-about-bill-clintons-problematic-relationship-with-the-confederate-flag So if Bill Clinton and Al Gore saw fit to use it, no problems for Somerset! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted July 1, 2015 Report Share Posted July 1, 2015 That is ridiculous! What was the Confederacy fighting for in the Civil War? Comparing the Confederate flag to race jackets with "cartoon" devil and hitmen logos is absurd. They are two completely different things. Would you be happy with a team to have a swastika logo on their race jacket? Accusing someone "of ridiculous political correctness" because they are not happy to accept something that more and more people find unacceptable is a pretty lame argument I completely agree with your first paragraph but not your second. Racism is still a problem in this country and so casually using the Confederate flag anywhere as a logo is still an issue, I think. I'll refer you to TWK's eloquent arguments on the subject of the Confederacy's war aims. Somerset have had that logo for 17 years and Oxford and White City had it before them. I have never heard a single complaint about it until this thread, and that's almost certainly provoked by an evil maniac sporting the Confederacy flag killing innocent people in Charleston and the reaction to it in the USA. As I have said, there are those who have twisted its use to their own ends. The difference between the Confederacy Flag and the Swastika in this country at least is incalculable, and you know that only too well. I doubt if many people from this country know more about the Southern Cross than is it is something to do with the southern states of the USA. The swastika will be known to almost all as the symbol of tyranny, mass murder and genocide. I have never heard of anyone - until this thread - objecting to the Confederacy flag on any grounds whatsoever. T 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted July 1, 2015 Report Share Posted July 1, 2015 I'll refer you to TWK's eloquent arguments on the subject of the Confederacy's war aims. Somerset have had that logo for 17 years and Oxford and White City had it before them. I have never heard a single complaint about it until this thread, and that's almost certainly provoked by an evil maniac sporting the Confederacy flag killing innocent people in Charleston and the reaction to it in the USA. As I have said, there are those who have twisted its use to their own ends. The difference between the Confederacy Flag and the Swastika in this country at least is incalculable, and you know that only too well. I doubt if many people from this country know more about the Southern Cross than is it is something to do with the southern states of the USA. The swastika will be known to almost all as the symbol of tyranny, mass murder and genocide. I have never heard of anyone - until this thread - objecting to the Confederacy flag on any grounds whatsoever. T If I'm being totally honest, I'd not even noticed that it was, it's a team emblem to me. No need to make out it's anything else....Simple as that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Skid Posted July 1, 2015 Report Share Posted July 1, 2015 The Dukes of Hazzard programmes have been ditched, and Walmart etc have withdrawn all merchandise because of the Confederate flag issue, obviously being taken very seriously in the US 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truro Robin Posted July 1, 2015 Report Share Posted July 1, 2015 I'll refer you to TWK's eloquent arguments on the subject of the Confederacy's war aims. Somerset have had that logo for 17 years and Oxford and White City had it before them. I have never heard a single complaint about it until this thread, and that's almost certainly provoked by an evil maniac sporting the Confederacy flag killing innocent people in Charleston and the reaction to it in the USA. As I have said, there are those who have twisted its use to their own ends. The difference between the Confederacy Flag and the Swastika in this country at least is incalculable, and you know that only too well. I doubt if many people from this country know more about the Southern Cross than is it is something to do with the southern states of the USA. The swastika will be known to almost all as the symbol of tyranny, mass murder and genocide. I have never heard of anyone - until this thread - objecting to the Confederacy flag on any grounds whatsoever. T As I stated, one of their reasons for seeking secession was the slavery issue. Ignorance of what the flag has come to represent isn't really an excuse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFCB Wildcat Posted July 1, 2015 Report Share Posted July 1, 2015 As a side issue, over 13% of the British population is "non-white". This is certainly not reflected in the attendances at the tracks or those competing on them. so what conclusions can we draw from this? I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sotonian Posted July 1, 2015 Report Share Posted July 1, 2015 So, in your opinion, you have to be black to be offended by it then? Yes, and American. It has no relevance in the UK and frankly is the least of speedway's worries. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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