Grachan Posted July 2, 2015 Report Share Posted July 2, 2015 But how can you be sure that it would have bought more fans? Where is the proof? I know I'm being argumentative but the fact is it's a risk for the Promoter who relies on gate money to pay riders wages. Recent meetings at Swindon and Leicester. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted July 2, 2015 Report Share Posted July 2, 2015 Once again I totally agree. Maybe we should form a miserable old git club Give me dogs at speedway meetings any day, well behaved, nice and quiet and will usually give you a sniff and cuddle Can I join this club please? Given the choice between dragging 10 children along and giving them an air horn each or 10 dogs, I'd choose dogs every time and I'm pretty sure I could get them all to sit and stay still all evening. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted July 2, 2015 Report Share Posted July 2, 2015 I can see the arguments for not lowering the prices but i feel had the price been reduced last night not only would it look better on tv but it would have brought so many more in it could have made the evening more profitable and the fans would have appreciated the gesture. If Kings Lynn was big town with a large population base , Like say POOLE, SWINDON, LEICESTER, COVENTRY, WOLVES or MANCHESTER, then probably there might be something to gain by lowering the prices. but Lynn is not like those places and have to rely on supporters from a large catchment area. ( See post 294) Buster's average supporters might total 1300 more or less, coming from distances of up to 50mls or so. When on the television, these figures will obviously drop. I believe you could give, the ticket out for free, and still not get the support numbers you go on about. So where would that take him...... Bird in the hand ......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Nick Posted July 2, 2015 Report Share Posted July 2, 2015 If Kings Lynn was big town with a large population base , Like say POOLE, SWINDON, LEICESTER, COVENTRY, WOLVES or MANCHESTER, then probably there might be something to gain by lowering the prices. but Lynn is not like those places and have to rely on supporters from a large catchment area. ( See post 294) Buster's average supporters might total 1300 more or less, coming from distances of up to 50mls or so. When on the television, these figures will obviously drop. I believe you could give, the ticket out for free, and still not get the support numbers you go on about. So where would that take him...... Bird in the hand ......... Sh1ts on your wrist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottyfan Posted July 2, 2015 Report Share Posted July 2, 2015 (edited) You really are showing yourself up as the plonker that you are...first you slag off Gomolski (who AGAIN rode to his average last night) and now you wrote Poole off before a heat had even taken place! No real Poole supporter would carry on like you. If you don't like us, don't watch us. Simples. Edited July 2, 2015 by scottyfan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted July 2, 2015 Report Share Posted July 2, 2015 That particular rule has absolutely nothing to do with the reason the sport is dying. It actually does the exact thing you would want it to do, keeps a meeting alive and encourages teams to race harder as last night demonstrated. Early on Poole were hit hard and down, they set their target at getting at least a pt and continued to battle hard.. that battling soon brought them into contention for actually winning the meeting. Without it, they may well have just gone through the motions and we wouldn't have seen the exciting end that we did. Its what we do !! ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevethelion Posted July 2, 2015 Report Share Posted July 2, 2015 I like the current scoring system. There used to be a badge which said 'happiness is 40-38' which would now translate into something like 46-44 (or with the stupid tr bollox 47-46), last year the last heat decider had some of the fun taken away by the home team dropping a point, even the aggregate bonus point spoilt it a bit. The recent close matches I've attended were very satisfying in that the win wasn't diminished by gaining fewer points, a much nicer feeling than last season imo. As for entrance prices, if you take the view that reducing the price won't increase the attendance then you must accept the reverse and increasing the price won't reduce the attendance, which is daft. It's been mentioned before but I think the advanced purchase discount is the way to go, try and grab that impulse online 'it seemed like a good idea at the time' purchase via something like Groupon to open it to a wider audience. I'd try it a couple of times and not necessarily just for sky meetings either and see if it works. On that point I've heard nothing for Belle Vue v Lakeside next week. One factor to take into account when offering a discount is that season ticket holders have already paid on the assumption that it would have cost £17 (or whatever) for every meeting, clearly they are not able to take advantage and may reconsider renewing their season ticket the following season. I have to agree, whilst I applauded the Leicester promotion for their pricing of the sky meeting & the way they promoted it. I being a season ticket holder was disappointed that we received nothing in the way of free food/drink like those that paid on the night did, or unlike last season when Lions were on sky a free programme for 2 meetings, which did compensate for the price reduction a bit. But this season, nothing, which having paid up front is a bit of a kick in the teeth & is going to make people think twice about buying a season ticket again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted July 2, 2015 Report Share Posted July 2, 2015 (edited) On Monday Leicester lowered their prices and had their largest crowd of the season. Also consider, a) the match was on sky & b, Monday was not the Lions regular race night and without doubt some regulars did not go because of the next day being a school. so yes lower prices do mean higher crowds, if the event is promoted which the Lions did. Often wondered why clubs don't sell tickets in blocks of say five meetings at a time at a 'special offer' rate.... £50 for five meetings would I reckon be great value and mean more people take up the offer than maybe currently buy season tickets?, A ticket like that would appeal I would suggest more to the current 'floaters' like me who some nights simply cannot be bothered to go if for example the weather looks dodgy or it is on TV. If I have already paid then I will more than likely attend I would suggest. (and if one of the five matches is a TV one then £10.00 could be charged for anyone who hasnt purchased a 'five match ticket' as those that have wouldnt feel mugged off).... I have been to BV twice this year as 'couldnt be bothered' to attend the other four so they have had just £35.00 off me. If I had paid £50 for the first five meetings I would definitely have attended all five and they would now be £15.00 better off. (and it keeps people in the 'habit' of attending, a habit that is easy to get out of)! £15.00 isnt much, but how many other 'flouting fans' have the same attitude? I would suggest 'quite a few' so there must be plenty of other £15.00's out there? Season tickets surely cannot 'make or break' the season given the low number that seem to purchase them at most tracks? 100 - 200 people at best? And it also stagnates the use of 'special offers' during the season... As many have already said ad nauseam, if you can have average racing in front of a large, vociferous crowd you have atmosphere and an 'event worth attending' (and revisiting)... As will be proven once again this Saturday in Cardiff ... Edited July 2, 2015 by mikebv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted July 2, 2015 Report Share Posted July 2, 2015 Because they don't get enough fans to justify too many cheap meetings? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted July 2, 2015 Report Share Posted July 2, 2015 If Kings Lynn was big town with a large population base , Like say POOLE, SWINDON, LEICESTER, COVENTRY, WOLVES or MANCHESTER, then probably there might be something to gain by lowering the prices. but Lynn is not like those places and have to rely on supporters from a large catchment area. ( See post 294) Buster's average supporters might total 1300 more or less, coming from distances of up to 50mls or so. When on the television, these figures will obviously drop. I believe you could give, the ticket out for free, and still not get the support numbers you go on about. So where would that take him...... Bird in the hand ......... Kings Lynn is a big town and when tv is in town even if it was just a gesture of goodwill to the long suffering home fans then it would be a good thing to do and may just encourage a few more to come Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted July 2, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2015 I've just watched the match "as live". It's amazing how different it looked. The crowd on TV looked much smaller than it did last night and the racing looked much closer. Did the same for the Poole vs Lynn match i.e. saw it live then as live and didn't see that much difference, Obviously camera angles foreshorten things but I didn't realise how much I assume because the position of the cameras and the fact that Lynn is a much larger/longer arena. They even managed to make it look as if the riders all came round the track after races, trust me they didn't I have to say altho not a great fan of Pearson or to a lesser extent Tatum, I didn't think they were too OTT with the Poole love last night. Given the circumstances of losing Holder at the very last minute, the way the Poole team rallied round was remarkable and the commentators would have been remiss not to have made something of it. As for interviewing more Poole riders than Lynn, quite honestly Lambert/Rory apart they were more interesting to listen to and far more animated. Magic is a joy to listen to given English is not his first language, he always comes across so well. The one thing they didn't show was if or whether the Lynn team were as together as the Poole riders obviously were. They all said how much they helped each other out etc and talked to each other. Were the Lynn lads doing the same? I'm especially thinking were they rallying round Bjerre, not that I think it would make a difference I would still get rid Oh yeah one more good thing to say, not a sight of Chris Louis' big telly, has someone taken a hammer to it (she says with fingers and everything else crossed). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted July 2, 2015 Report Share Posted July 2, 2015 On Monday Leicester lowered their prices and had their largest crowd of the season. Also consider, a) the match was on sky & b, Monday was not the Lions regular race night and without doubt some regulars did not go because of the next day being a school. so yes lower prices do mean higher crowds, if the event is promoted which the Lions did. While I agree the crowd looked healthy for it being on Sky.Did Leicester make more money from it,i very much doubt this.Because if they did then surely there would be price reductions at every match and not just those on Sky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted July 2, 2015 Report Share Posted July 2, 2015 Definitely just you. Lambert was just too good for them and had lots of speed https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mKy3YZ53jag Thanks for that.I must have watched it about 5 times now.That was a great race from Lambert,i don't know what people thought of me because I went back 25 years shouting and punching the air with delight.It's amazing what happens when the match was so tight and its the team everyone wants to beat. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted July 2, 2015 Report Share Posted July 2, 2015 While I agree the crowd looked healthy for it being on Sky.Did Leicester make more money from it,i very much doubt this.Because if they did then surely there would be price reductions at every match and not just those on Sky. Missing the point again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted July 2, 2015 Report Share Posted July 2, 2015 Missing the point again. What do you mean missing the point again?This is the first time I have said anything on this subject Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted July 2, 2015 Report Share Posted July 2, 2015 What do you mean missing the point again?This is the first time I have said anything on this subject Not just you, 2 or 3. It's nothing to do with making more money on that particular night. It's something that the sport should be doing as a whole. Using TV as a tool to promote the sport.. instead they use it to damage it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted July 2, 2015 Report Share Posted July 2, 2015 Interesting comments from Middlo with regards to Rob Lyon moaning during the meeting @middlo57: Saying how sky were on our side couldn't do his track .i thought was a great meeting and we lost!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 valve Posted July 3, 2015 Report Share Posted July 3, 2015 While I agree the crowd looked healthy for it being on Sky.Did Leicester make more money from it,i very much doubt this.Because if they did then surely there would be price reductions at every match and not just those on Sky. Leicester will have recieved a fee for being the host of the televised meeting and so in all reality will have made more money than normal meeting. However, the point is a good number of people turned up who would not have normally attended which means the Lions have prospects of gaining more fans. This is a perfect example of using TV money to promote the sport. The other consideration is the amount to be charged and I think there is an argument that Elite speedway is too expensive and the possibility is that a reduced entrance fee could attract more fans. But will a 25% reduction attract 30% or more fans? I dont know but it might be worth a try/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pubichair Posted July 3, 2015 Report Share Posted July 3, 2015 Lynn do nothing regarding cheap offers or anything like that for us fans they just take money and run! Yes we are a secure club with a good fan base but the promotion think nothing about us fans! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted July 3, 2015 Report Share Posted July 3, 2015 Interesting comments from Middlo with regards to Rob Lyon moaning during the meeting @middlo57: Saying how sky were on our side couldn't do his track .i thought was a great meeting and we lost!! That doesn't make sense? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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