Fromafar Posted June 29, 2015 Report Share Posted June 29, 2015 I hope your not right on that one. Totally echo the wish for a good recovery.Would be good to see him bow out on his own terms rather than being forced by injury. It does however bring into focus the MC decision to sanction him as a replacement as it significantly enhances the r/r / guest /new rider options . This is the real impact of choosing not to implement the available regulation at redeclaration. Given the nature of the sport shoulder dislocations are one of the worst injuries IMO .It does show up the flaw in the the rules but Hey Ho nothing new there in Speedway. not worth worrying about, the Team that can utilise the guests best will win the league anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylorj Posted June 29, 2015 Report Share Posted June 29, 2015 (edited) One rule that certainly needs changing, the fact teams can have a guest at no1 throughout the season handpicking the most on form rider to guest . Stead, Allen, Auty ..... You should be made to replace riders after a certain amount of time !!!! Edited June 29, 2015 by Taylorj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted June 29, 2015 Report Share Posted June 29, 2015 One rule that certainly needs changing, the fact teams can have R/R at no1 throughout the season handpicking the most on form rider to guest . Stead, Allen, Auty ..... You should be made to replace riders after a certain amount of time !!!! In a perfect world you would, but with Stead been the top rider in the Premier League for about the last 15 months replacing a rider of that class is difficult. Â Also a shortage of class riders wanting to ride over here does not help. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylorj Posted June 29, 2015 Report Share Posted June 29, 2015 In a perfect world you would, but with Stead been the top rider in the Premier League for about the last 15 months replacing a rider of that class is difficult. Â Also a shortage of class riders wanting to ride over here does not help. It does give an unfair advantage being able to use a guest continually. Our no1 just dropped to reserve , you have to get on with it, and so should every other team. I'm sure if you had to use r/r each week from only your own team there suddenly would be someone signed in the no1 slot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted June 29, 2015 Report Share Posted June 29, 2015 It does give an unfair advantage being able to use a guest continually. Our no1 just dropped to reserve , you have to get on with it, and so should every other team. I'm sure if you had to use r/r each week from only your own team there suddenly would be someone signed in the no1 slot Unfair advantage when that rider is the top rider in that league? Â Fail to see what your number dropping to reserve has to do with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD Posted June 29, 2015 Report Share Posted June 29, 2015 In a perfect world you would, but with Stead been the top rider in the Premier League for about the last 15 months replacing a rider of that class is difficult. Â Also a shortage of class riders wanting to ride over here does not help. Â Shortage of riders overall! Sending Ty Proctor home on a technicality was a nonsense, perhaps the points limit for overseas riders should be lowered to 5.50, would still keep the likes of Campton out but would mean some of the better Australians could still come here and bolster the PL. We simply don't have enough British riders to fill our teams. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted June 29, 2015 Report Share Posted June 29, 2015 Â Shortage of riders overall! Sending Ty Proctor home on a technicality was a nonsense, perhaps the points limit for overseas riders should be lowered to 5.50, would still keep the likes of Campton out but would mean some of the better Australians could still come here and bolster the PL. We simply don't have enough British riders to fill our teams. How would Ty Proctor being here help with replacing Simon Stead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted June 29, 2015 Report Share Posted June 29, 2015 just like to remind Glasgow fans, Richard Lawson,s shoulder pops out on a regular bases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graeme624 Posted June 29, 2015 Report Share Posted June 29, 2015 One rule that certainly needs changing, the fact teams can have a guest at no1 throughout the season handpicking the most on form rider to guest . Stead, Allen, Auty ..... You should be made to replace riders after a certain amount of time !!!! Good post - agree 100% 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkshiretyke Posted June 29, 2015 Report Share Posted June 29, 2015 Think Sheffield have in the main utilised the guest facility for Steady really well this season, however nobody can replace him both for his scores and leadership within the pits. He was immense at the start of this season 6 maximums out of 7 says it all. Sheffield are weakened regardless of guest 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD Posted June 29, 2015 Report Share Posted June 29, 2015 How would Ty Proctor being here help with replacing Simon Stead? Â Read the first sentence of my post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted June 29, 2015 Report Share Posted June 29, 2015 http://www.glasgowtigers.co/sarjeant-better/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ekimba Posted June 29, 2015 Report Share Posted June 29, 2015 Think Sheffield have in the main utilised the guest facility for Steady really well this season, however nobody can replace him both for his scores and leadership within the pits. He was immense at the start of this season 6 maximums out of 7 says it all. Sheffield are weakened regardless of guest I think you are missing TaylorJs point, she is basically saying that if a rider is going to be out for any considerable length of time then that team, whoever it is, should be forced into signing someone else whether it weakens them or not., maybe its time to think about relaxing the rules for signing EL riders. I know there is a shortage of "top class" riders but this is bordering on silly now, look at Brady Kurtz, it doesn't matter who wins the league he will probably have ridden for them at some point and will get a medal anyway 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted June 29, 2015 Report Share Posted June 29, 2015 I think you are missing TaylorJs point, she is basically saying that if a rider is going to be out for any considerable length of time then that team, whoever it is, should be forced into signing someone else whether it weakens them or not., maybe its time to think about relaxing the rules for signing EL riders. I know there is a shortage of "top class" riders but this is bordering on silly now, look at Brady Kurtz, it doesn't matter who wins the league he will probably have ridden for them at some point and will get a medal anyway Its not just the Guest rider situation that is becoming a problem there is also the doubling up that causes problems as well. Â Add to that the strict points limit, the sport is run on the obsession of trying to level teams which can make the sport either attractive or not depending on how you feel about the situation. Â Allow more Elite League riders into the Premier League is not answer in my opinion because you are going to get more and more fixture clashes for doubling up riders, unless the Elite was going to run one night only. Â As for Sheffield I think if Ty Proctor had not received his marching orders I think you would have seen a full Sheffield 1 to 7 when David Bellego returned. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted June 29, 2015 Report Share Posted June 29, 2015 Its not just the Guest rider situation that is becoming a problem there is also the doubling up that causes problems as well. Â Add to that the strict points limit, the sport is run on the obsession of trying to level teams which can make the sport either attractive or not depending on how you feel about the situation. Â Allow more Elite League riders into the Premier League is not answer in my opinion because you are going to get more and more fixture clashes for doubling up riders, unless the Elite was going to run one night only. Â As for Sheffield I think if Ty Proctor had not received his marching orders I think you would have seen a full Sheffield 1 to 7 when David Bellego returned. Agreed the Ty Proctor situation was rubbish . You can get riders like Konopka plying their trade over here , blatently not good enough , and a rider who has been a steady rider in both the EL and PL for years , is forced out . The guest situation is farcical , but what other option is there ? People are quick to condemn it , but nobody has yet come up with a sensible solution to it . Ultimately the scenario with doubling up / down / sideways / will have to come to a halt as it's not working . The fast track reserve thingy isn't working either as you're going to get the same core of riders doing it year after year after year . The whole structure of our league system needs a complete overhaul and if the solution is a 16 to 18 team league with no GP riders and a strict pay structure , then so be it . As for Sheffield using a guest all season - how can they possibly replace Simon Stead ? So under the current conditions , they have no alternative but to keep on doing what they're doing . 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted June 29, 2015 Report Share Posted June 29, 2015 Barker, Vissing, Howe, Heeps, Allen, Auty, Stead, Smith, Skidmore, Boxall, Douglas - lots of replacements required, so why not relax the qualifying criteria for non EU riders? It wouldn't solve every problem, but would help surely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SharpenRake Posted June 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 Weather forecast still looking good, so moving from the Sunday looks like a good move - Sunday's practise was cancelled due to the weather. Just need the right result now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyK86 Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 Team on a high at moment so hopefully we can keep things close and set up a brilliant second leg at Owlerton next month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylorj Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 I think you are missing TaylorJs point, she is basically saying that if a rider is going to be out for any considerable length of time then that team, whoever it is, should be forced into signing someone else whether it weakens them or not., maybe its time to think about relaxing the rules for signing EL riders. I know there is a shortage of "top class" riders but this is bordering on silly now, look at Brady Kurtz, it doesn't matter who wins the league he will probably have ridden for them at some point and will get a medal anyway Exactly Ekimba , my point exactly, love the Brady comment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric i Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 One rule that certainly needs changing, the fact teams can have a guest at no1 throughout the season handpicking the most on form rider to guest . Stead, Allen, Auty ..... You should be made to replace riders after a certain amount of time !!!! I agree but not sure Auty is the best example, he is only due to miss 7 meetings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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