greyhoundp Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 I take your point but I don't accept it, No1 can be covered by a guest, Ellis/Clegg etc etc, but there is a vast difference in Nathan Greaves rides being taken by (Luke Harris) in no way are they of comparable ability at this moment in time. Those who say it's only 1 defeat it's actually 3 meetings that we have lost now, and without Nathan we will continue to struggle, Yes I am a Cradley fan but I'm also a realist, as for making changes to the Team if there was a rider available who could cover Nathan yes sign him, as for other changes I really don't see the point in signing like for like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 What happened to the 2 x Number 6's? As I suspected Mikey Neale missing was decisive. The top 4 on either side scored almost identically however it was the Brum lower order that made the difference (humble pie). Losing Phillips was a blessing for Brum and allowing the other the extra rides. In the ned the match winner was Kkkkir, Kirb,.....I cant say it! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattJ81 Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 Both number 6's fell in Heat 2, Govier was able to continue but suffered another fall and an engine failure before having to withdraw. Phillips was a nastier fall and he withdrew after that heat. Kirby did everything that he needed to do in as much as he beat Harris whenever they met (I think) and also popped out in Heat 14 for the match sealing 5-1 with the massively impressive Watknecht who went under 60 seconds a couple of times and lowered the fastest time of the season It said in the programme last night when the averages change Ellis Perks will go back to reserve following his struggles recently, which may be good timing with having to cover Nathan's rides with R/R and Perks just hitting some form again. July is quiet with fixtures so if Mike Neale can make it back within a few weeks things may not look so bad, especially as Nathan's average is due to go up giving more options for R/R. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 (edited) When doing so, ask the question of whether the "cheering" is intended personally at the rider in question, or is it an expression of relief that a fans own team is better off and no longer in danger of losing a point? It may be a delicate subject, but I doubt if Birmingham's fans are any more saintly than any others, and I don't for a minute think that any fans actually wish harm on any opponent. I wonder how many people who live in glass houses will be phoning you on the matter to throw some stones? Maybe you should ask them to watch videos of Nicki Pedersen going into some fences before they contribute to the debate, because I know what reaction the sight of that generally generates? I have no doubt in the overwhelming majority of cases that it is an 'expression of relief' as you put it, and its almost certain that every track has fans who choose to behave in such a fashion. As to fans wishing harm on riders, I suspect that some might quite like to see a rider notorious for making dirty moves getting his comeuppance at the hand of another - providing the outcome isn't too serious. I once saw a rider (at a track that no longer exists) savagely barracked by members of the home crowd for apparently throwing a race (he was at the back, his partner on a TR third). The barracking continued right up until the point that the ambulance came out - as it happened, he'd broken his ankle. To me, therefore, its a matter of thinking before reacting. After all, its far from impossible that a video might show a rider being seriously injured - or even paying the ultimate price - to the sound of fans celebrating. In such circumstances, you & I (and other speedway fans) might appreciate the point about 'expression of relief' but I suspect our voices would utterly drowned by those expressing repugnance and horror. Edited June 25, 2015 by Halifaxtiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guitar_art Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 When doing so, ask the question of whether the "cheering" is intended personally at the rider in question, or is it an expression of relief that a fans own team is better off and no longer in danger of losing a point? It may be a delicate subject, but I doubt if Birmingham's fans are any more saintly than any others, and I don't for a minute think that any fans actually wish harm on any opponent. I wonder how many people who live in glass houses will be phoning you on the matter to throw some stones? Maybe you should ask them to watch videos of Nicki Pedersen going into some fences before they contribute to the debate, because I know what reaction the sight of that generally generates? I will certainly bring all of your points up on tonights show. Many thanks sports-radio.co.uk speedway tavern 8pm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 Both number 6's fell in Heat 2, Govier was able to continue but suffered another fall and an engine failure before having to withdraw. Phillips was a nastier fall and he withdrew after that heat. Kirby did everything that he needed to do in as much as he beat Harris whenever they met (I think) and also popped out in Heat 14 for the match sealing 5-1 with the massively impressive Watknecht who went under 60 seconds a couple of times and lowered the fastest time of the season It said in the programme last night when the averages change Ellis Perks will go back to reserve following his struggles recently, which may be good timing with having to cover Nathan's rides with R/R and Perks just hitting some form again. July is quiet with fixtures so if Mike Neale can make it back within a few weeks things may not look so bad, especially as Nathan's average is due to go up giving more options for R/R. Not using the averages on the Heathens' own website. His good performance at Mildenhall will keep in the top 5 (he was sixth before that). Their own site says Clegg 9.53, Williamson 8.27, Greaves 7.08, Perks 5.67, Neale 5.08, Mogridge 5.00, Harris 3.00 (2.92). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brummiestormer Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 What happened to the 2 x Number 6's? As I suspected Mikey Neale missing was decisive. The top 4 on either side scored almost identically however it was the Brum lower order that made the difference (humble pie). Losing Phillips was a blessing for Brum and allowing the other the extra rides. In the ned the match winner was Kkkkir, Kirb,.....I cant say it! Eating a lot of that recently oh nemesis of mine 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattJ81 Posted June 26, 2015 Report Share Posted June 26, 2015 Not using the averages on the Heathens' own website. His good performance at Mildenhall will keep in the top 5 (he was sixth before that). Their own site says Clegg 9.53, Williamson 8.27, Greaves 7.08, Perks 5.67, Neale 5.08, Mogridge 5.00, Harris 3.00 (2.92). Yes it did surprise me, Nigel Pearson listed the following on Facebook last night: Clegg 9.38 Williamson 8.62 Greaves 7.08 Mogridge 5.67 Neale 4.96 Perks 4.93 Harris 2.95 (3.00) Which means a guest and R/R for as long as Neale and Greaves are in the top 5 and out injured (hopefully not too long in Mike's case) I'm not good at these things but is there a cut off this month for July averages? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted June 26, 2015 Report Share Posted June 26, 2015 (edited) Yes it did surprise me, Nigel Pearson listed the following on Facebook last night: Clegg 9.38 Williamson 8.62 Greaves 7.08 Mogridge 5.67 Neale 4.96 Perks 4.93 Harris 2.95 (3.00) Which means a guest and R/R for as long as Neale and Greaves are in the top 5 and out injured (hopefully not too long in Mike's case) I'm not good at these things but is there a cut off this month for July averages? I've just realised the cut-off is the 20th now (23rd last season) and the Mildenhall meeting was the 21st! Edited June 26, 2015 by Islander15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted June 26, 2015 Report Share Posted June 26, 2015 Just seen Alex Wilson had to withdraw injured from NJL match last night? Any further news how he is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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