sparkafag Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 That’s the “reality” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Blue Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 Hmmm , this is quite clearly becoming a love him or hate him debate about Nikki P ! If a lover youre obviously going to defend him to the hilt and blame Greg . If you are a hater then he's a complete bell end who seems to love dishing it out but doesn't like taking it ! Either way , he was definitely in the wrong with his move on Greg who then got the red mist and reacted badly . Nikki's history for such riding is renowned and to be fair probably has had that kind of reaction coming for a long time ! But the main thing is nobody ended up injured . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billywamill Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 Not sure where Bwitcher gets his ideas that riders give Hancock an easy time. Why would riders let him win? The sport is not a charity. Take off your Wolverhampton blinkers BWitcher - just because the bloke rode for Cradley and Coventry, see things as they are. For example, he has won three world titles on merit - 1997, he was far and away the best rider in the series; 2011 he won by 40 points - not even close - and last year he would have won the title more comfortably if he hadn't been injured by an out of control Iversen in Poland - unbeaten in the meeting at the time with four outings to go - the 'gullible fools' couldn't get anywhere near him until Iversen decided to spear him. Even taking into consideration the missed meetings for Woffinden and Kasprzak, he was the most consistent, highest number of wins, points per race etc. during the series. The fact is Hancock, when racing, doesn't take risks - rides within his abilities - doesn't have to take chances and maximises the talents he has - and to be racing at this level at 45 is unheard of in the sport. The last couple of years, I think there has been an increase in the number of such hard (dirty) or desperate moves and there has to be something done to curtail it. Saying that, if Hancock has attacked a rider after a race, that should be taken more seriously. A ban should be given - riders expect 'protection' (not sure Pedersen needs it) from such actions. With regards to the kids, its great they can mix it with the big boys, just got to do it time and again and get to their level on a consistent basis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 (edited) Nothing blinkered. The Monster Boys don't push Greg in GP's. Truth hurts, but that's the reality. It's only the truth in your head. I know how much you love being right all the time, but you have to accept sometimes people have a different opinion to you. And it's not necessarily the wrong one. Edited June 17, 2015 by Telboy68 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 (edited) It's only the truth in your head. I know how much you love being right all the time, but you have to accept sometimes people have a different opinion to you. And it's not necessarily the wrong one. Go find me a race where one of the Monster Boys have given Greg a tough time in a race... Just one for starters will do. Holder, Ward, Woffinden etc, they're not shrinking violets, they've all made hard moves over the years... but rarely, if ever, on Greg. That's the reality. It's not something I even noticed myself until it was pointed out by others.. but once you look for it, there is, I believe, something in it. You don't think so, fair enough, but as I say, pay close attention you may change your mind. Edited June 17, 2015 by BWitcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReturn Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 nonsense. That's a really insightful post. The only nonsense is the person who writes nonsense without justification and the reasons for the points they feel are nonsense. Either way , he was definitely in the wrong with his move on Greg who then got the red mist and reacted badly . Nikki's history for such riding is renowned and to be fair probably has had that kind of reaction coming for a long time ! But the main thing is nobody ended up injured . Everybody, even those who like Nicki have all agreed his move was hard, and perhaps the right exclusion. It's the fact people are excusing Hancock's actions just because it was Nicki that I have a problem with. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 Go find me a race where one of the Monster Boys have given Greg a tough time in a race... How about Cardiff last year. I don't think Tai 'gave' him that win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billywamill Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 (edited) Nothing blinkered. The Monster Boys don't push Greg in GP's. Truth hurts, but that's the reality. Interesting - so who are the other Monster boys? - is that Tai, Chris Holder and Darcy Ward? Why for example, would Tai as reigning world champion last year, looking to retain his title, not push Hancock? Darcy Ward had some brilliant races against him before doing what he did, and Chris Holder was fighting for a top 8 spot for most of the season. Why would he give up points and risk not qualifying? Have look at this: Naughty Darcy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgXL-TtFJn0 If you're going to state an opinion and say it is the truth, have some argument and reasoning behind it. Edited June 17, 2015 by billywamill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 How about Cardiff last year. I don't think Tai 'gave' him that win. Giving him the wins is perhaps a bit strong. They don't deliberately let him win, what I am saying is they don't race Greg as hard as they race other riders. That gives Greg an advantage, one that he most certainly doesn't need. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkafag Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 Go find me a race where one of the Monster Boys have given Greg a tough time in a race... Utter nonsense. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyEinEyociU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baba Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 (edited) The return..I dont have to elaborate but sometimes one words says it all. Bwitchers spouting nonsense in this case and bwitcher takes great pride on telling others when they are way off the mark. Edited June 17, 2015 by baba 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 Utter nonsense. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyEinEyociU What's this meant to prove? No hard moves pulled on Hancock there.. he was just passed. Try again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReturn Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 The return..I dont have to elaborate but sometimes one words says it all. In your case, your one word reply said nothing. You accuse someone of talking nonsense without justifying it... which is utter nonsense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkafag Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 (edited) What's this meant to prove? No hard moves pulled on Hancock there.. he was just passed. Try again. If your definition of a “tough time” in a race is to knock someone of then you probably will struggle to find instances when Woffinden, Holder or Ward decide to knock Hancock of or take his front wheel away, the reason being is because they typically aren’t idiots on a bike and your definition of a “tough time” seems to be a manoeuvre that would typically see a rider excluded. In that one example, Woffinden is hard but fair on Hancock which results in him not only passing him but scrubbing of Hancock’s momentum to the point that he is pulled back into the pack, by no means giving him an easy time. Your own request was one example, that is it. Evidently though the SGP is just a Monster Conspiracy ruled by the Gestapo as Woffinden, Holder and Hancock trade World Titles each season……said someone who wears a tin foil helmet. It’s all just a conspiracy Edited June 17, 2015 by sparkafag 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 I posted something similar on a recent thread about Greg getting an easy time - a few people agreed. So it's not just BWitcher who thinks it. Nobody is saying they don't pass him, but they certainly don't move him over like they do to other riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 If your definition of a “tough time” in a race is to knock someone of then you probably will struggle to find instances when Woffinden, Holder or Ward decide to knock Hancock of or take his front wheel away, the reason being is because they typically aren’t idiots on a bike and your definition of a “tough time” seems to be a manoeuvre that would typically see a rider excluded. In that one example, Woffinden is hard but fair on Hancock which results in him not only passing him but scrubbing of Hancock’s momentum to the point that he is pulled back into the pack, by no means giving him an easy time. Your own request was one example, that is it. Evidently though the SGP is just a Monster Conspiracy ruled by the Gestapo as Woffinden, Holder and Hancock trade World Titles each season……said someone who wears a tin foil helmet. It’s all just a conspiracy Missing the point again. Woffinden executed a very clean pass, he was well clear of Hancock who himself made the error of continuing on that line when it was clear Woffinden would be coming onto it. A more applicable move would be the one Emil made on Tai, its very rare you see that done to Greg. It's not a conspiracy as you now seem to wish to call it, more likely a mark of respect. The point I have made is that gives Greg an advantage and in the sport of speedway where there can be a very fine line between success and failure at the highest level, that can be significant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkafag Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 (edited) Missing the point again. Woffinden executed a very clean pass, he was well clear of Hancock who himself made the error of continuing on that line when it was clear Woffinden would be coming onto it. A more applicable move would be the one Emil made on Tai, its very rare you see that done to Greg. It's not a conspiracy as you now seem to wish to call it, more likely a mark of respect. The point I have made is that gives Greg an advantage and in the sport of speedway where there can be a very fine line between success and failure at the highest level, that can be significant. The point is I meant to agree with you that certain riders give Hancock an easy time, I don’t. It is called racing room and racing respect. A rider like Pedersen seems to have set a precedent in your head as to what “hard racing” is and the definition is he hasn’t hurt anyone that often so it's fine, you keep on with that train of thought. It’s wrong and one that about 3% of people who have stepped on a bike would agree with, but you bash on and enjoy the few who agree with you, just take this point on though, there are more people wondering what the hell you are going on about. Edited June 17, 2015 by sparkafag 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfsbane Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 Follow the money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 Utter nonsense. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyEinEyociU that wasnt a hard move. Was tai a monster man in 2013 ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReturn Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 The point is I meant to agree with you that certain riders give Hancock an easy time, I don’t. It is called racing room and racing respect. A rider like Pedersen seems to have set a precedent in your head as to what “hard racing” is and the definition is he hasn’t hurt anyone that often so it's fine, you keep on with that train of thought. It’s wrong and one that about 3% of people who have stepped on a bike would agree with, but you bash on and enjoy the few who agree with you, just take this point on though, there are more people wondering what the hell you are going on about. Wrong thread pal... the thread is about the actions of the American fella in hitting out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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