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I remember Ben Howe fencing (of all people) Ronnie Pedersan in 1995.

Came out of gate 3 never turned left, into the solid wood fence Ronnie went. Wasnt the nicest thing to see...

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I remember Ben Howe fencing (of all people) Ronnie Pedersan in 1995.

Came out of gate 3 never turned left, into the solid wood fence Ronnie went. Wasnt the nicest thing to see...

Ronni Pedersen made his brother look like an angel!

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To clarify, Zagars move was an utterly despicable one, designed to cause injury.

 

Sam was simply very very hard, he didn't actually fence him, Zagar bottled out sharpish. It was more of a warning and fully deserved.

 

The Dean Machine I am sure remembers it, indeed he may even have been riding that night.

I wasn't there so can't comment on the incident but have spoken with Buzz about it since. He said that in an earlier heat he had hit a rut causing him to run into Matej. A total accident and as I understand nobody fell. Based on what he then said it seems he wasn't as badly injured by the incident as he could have been but his bike was more or less written off.

 

Buzz's take was that he'd rather have been punched in the face as it would have saved him loads of money.

 

Mind you, taking this thread further off topic, you do have to question the blinkered attitude of many British fans. Zagar has a terrible ego but away from speedway is a nice and helpful guy and his PR and media relationships are good for the sport so I have no personal dislike of him..

 

However in a last heat at Reading v Sheffield match on every lap as Andre Compton was going round the outside of him on the bends he literally was driving into him; forcing him into fence and making him slow down drastically. On the last bend of the last lap though Andre got the drive out wide and blasted through on the inside to take the heat. A superb piece of riding with a clean pass and no toys out of the pram, owing to the earlier attempts to fence him. Never heard so many boos or threats of violence by fans towards a rider, and towards us for applauding him.

 

Borrowing the blinkers for a second Greg Hancock was definitely not there on the night of the alleged incident so has no case to answer :nono:

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Lol!

Are you seriously suggesting a rider or riders have been talking about deliberately putting a rider in the fence? I doubt even pedersen sets out to put anyone 'in the fence', I'm convinced he actually blames the other rider for being there and not getting out of his way. The finger wagging suggests he blames the victim for the crash.

There is an element of brinkmanship involved on the track and sometimes it can get close to actual dirty riding, virtually every rider has misjudged a situation and caused a crash. Pedersen doesn't bother with brinkmanship he just cuts to the chase and bollox to the consequences.

Jimmy Liddell would do a great reconstruction of the incident and yell out he's not Avin That!

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I can remember a heat at oxford in 85/86 the heat was started 3 times and 3 times Neil Evitts ran Jens Rasmussen into the fence, after the 3rd time all hell broke lose, the following season Jens (lovely person) was riding for Ipswich against Neil Evitts side , Jens tapped Neil on the shoulder and said to him any funny stuff and your in trouble and Neil Evitts had areal quiet meeting.

 

Jens was a lovely person and my god he was incredibly strong but a true gent

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I've come across something involving roman matousek before on the forum and I thought that was Sheffield v long eaton only it was written then that he deliberately rode over and badly injured an already fallen rider ?

 

sorry about adding to someone's post instead of just answering them my computer has done this once before.

I have requoted the question from your earlier post.

 

Yep, that's the same incident. It all started the night before at Long Eaton, I think it was the penultimate race (I can't remember fully), Robert (Nagy) was involved in a great race with Matousek and Robert beat him in a hard, but fair race. I think it was clear Matousek was not happy then.

 

The following night the two finally met on track midway through the meeting, the score was close. As they lined up at the tapes I said to my friend the angle Matousek's bike was pointing looked a bit strange, and I actually started to get a little anxious before tapes went up, you could almost see what was coming. Actually I just assumed it would be a good 'fencing', what happened was far worse, the two collided entering the first bend, somehow Robert ended up on the floor against the fence and way in front of Matousek, and then Matousek appeared to just go straight on over Robert. I am sure he could have taken another route into the fence myself. The worse crash I have ever seen.

 

There was talk of eye sockets being badly damaged, and an awful scene I am told. The ambulance was on track for a long time. Steve Johno after walking over to check on Robert on track suddenly sprinted back to the pits (on turn 4) and went straight after Matousek, the two had to be separated if memory serves.

 

The worse part in the re-run, a good hour or more later, Matousek won it, then came around the track celebrating.

 

So Nicki's hard riding style is nothing more than hard riding, it is far from dangerous as others have called it by comparison.

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why were these meetings so tetchy. I've got a tigers v invaders meeting from '96 and on the pre-meeting interviews they're talking about a fight between johnno and a blackie who I believe was david Blackburn from the meeting the previous night between the two sides. just my luck to have the only meeting between these two that nothing happened, the only two riders to fall did so on their own :shock:

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why were these meetings so tetchy. I've got a tigers v invaders meeting from '96 and on the pre-meeting interviews they're talking about a fight between johnno and a blackie who I believe was david Blackburn from the meeting the previous night between the two sides. just my luck to have the only meeting between these two that nothing happened, the only two riders to fall did so on their own :shock:

I remember that. It was just after Johno joined Long Eaton from Sheffield, he was still a struggling Aussie at that point at reserve and getting just a handful of points but Long Eaton fans really took to him because he really raced and gave it 100%. If I recall it was a racing accident, I think Johno's fault, but Blackburn just went for him, I think the accident happened on the second bend. Blackburn walked back to the pits and saw Johno at the pit gate on turn three and started hitting him I think.

Riders dumping fellow riders in the fence has been ongoing for decades but should of been stopped years ago.

I don't see how you can. It will always go on, it shouldn't but unless you can 100% prove a riders intent was to do it, I don't see how we can stop it.

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Riders dumping fellow riders in the fence has been ongoing for decades but should of been stopped years ago.

 

It'll never happen, like it or not, toughness aka mental intimidation is something riders notice in a rider who have not got it.

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.......Grand Central.......That was actually in May 1980.

 

Ah....thanks as I thought it was in the late 70's. I think we must have been on holiday in Yorkshire for us to have been there so my daughter would have been 13 and son 10 and we probably bribed them with the fair afterwards - presuming it was still open in 1980? :lol:

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Ronni Pedersen made his brother look like an angel!

Couldn't agree more I remember him having a go at Mick Poole at Peterborough when Mick Poole was an Oxford rider (One for the Glasgow fans he liked the tea at Oxford ) even the Panthers fans gave RP some stick for it.

I can remember a heat at oxford in 85/86 the heat was started 3 times and 3 times Neil Evitts ran Jens Rasmussen into the fence, after the 3rd time all hell broke lose, the following season Jens (lovely person) was riding for Ipswich against Neil Evitts side , Jens tapped Neil on the shoulder and said to him any funny stuff and your in trouble and Neil Evitts had areal quiet meeting.

 

Jens was a lovely person and my god he was incredibly strong but a true gent

Think that meeting was a D/H and Wiggy ? got concussion in the 1st meeting so Evitts was given the golden ticket of guesting for the mighty Cheetahs of Oxford. Rambo and Evitts had one heat together and Rambo just rode through the tapes and got excluded when interviewed he said something along the lines of I'm not riding with that winker

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Claus Vissing taking a look over his shoulder, slowing down allowing Paul Cooper to come along side him then fencing him in the back straight/3rd bend fence at Owlerton is the dirtiest riding I've seen, it caused a huge brawl near the pits afterwards.

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Probably just a mixture of red mist along with Hancock realising he's finished at the top level. Cheesy old whinger.

He's 4th place in the GPs. Hardly say he's finished boss.

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He won't finish 4th, he will finish lower the way he's been riding.

Surely if he's in 4th the way he's been riding, he'll finish in 4th if he carries on riding that way (3rd actually as Hampel is 3rd atm)

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Surely if he's in 4th the way he's been riding, he'll finish in 4th if he carries on riding that way (3rd actually as Hampel is 3rd atm)

You are quite right Mr Pedantic, let me rephrase ;)

 

If he rides like he did in the SWC and his rivals now realise he is easy to bully on track then he will finish lower than his present 4th.

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