Vince Posted June 21, 2015 Report Share Posted June 21, 2015 IF you read his autobiography he credits me with getting him his first role with TV (which I did) ... sorry folks... So you bloody should be :-) Dave Norris was brilliant as a co commentator I thought 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sommelier Posted June 21, 2015 Report Share Posted June 21, 2015 I just think NP is a very hard rider, yes at times can be borderline of over riding. But i also feel he has been wrongly excluded AT times. IMO if Leigh Adams would have been half as hard as Nicki, would have been a multi World Champion. Don't think NP is any harder than a young Gollob or Hans Nielsen for that matter! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted June 21, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2015 IF you read his autobiography he credits me with getting him his first role with TV (which I did) ... sorry folks... For anyone interested the line in question is on page 221. I would hate for anyone to attempt to read the turgid tome from the start and lose the will to live before you got to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted June 21, 2015 Report Share Posted June 21, 2015 For anyone interested the line in question is on page 221. I would hate for anyone to attempt to read the turgid tome from the start and lose the will to live before you got to it. YOU obviously did 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted June 21, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2015 YOU obviously did About ten years ago. I have just about recovered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReturn Posted June 21, 2015 Report Share Posted June 21, 2015 you might allow a little bias from sam where nicki is concerned I think he spent weeks in hospital after a clash years ago. He should not accept a commentating job then if he is not able to be impartial. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted June 21, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2015 He should not accept a commentating job then if he is not able to be impartial. To be fair, for most of his time, Sam has been used as the 'comments' and 'colour' man who was supposed to have an opinion rather than offer BBC-type impartiality. The fact that he has never fulfilled that role well but still continuingly employed is amazing. His total inability to see anything other that 'Greg's point-of-view' in all the years he has worked has proved quite comical at times. But only when we have been able to decipher what the hell it was he was trying to say. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert72 Posted June 22, 2015 Report Share Posted June 22, 2015 I thought nicki rode well on Saturday and a deserved winner . Lucky Greg wasn't in that meeting as it would of been too tough for him Another fantastic meeting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozrik Posted June 23, 2015 Report Share Posted June 23, 2015 This incident was on Australian TV motor sport show, major commercial station. They loved it, but suggested the riders could have taken their helmets off first. Two sports in one. Wrestling and speedway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted June 23, 2015 Report Share Posted June 23, 2015 To be fair, for most of his time, Sam has been used as the 'comments' and 'colour' man who was supposed to have an opinion rather than offer BBC-type impartiality. The fact that he has never fulfilled that role well but still continuingly employed is amazing. His total inability to see anything other that 'Greg's point-of-view' in all the years he has worked has proved quite comical at times. But only when we have been able to decipher what the hell it was he was trying to say. Why not let Sam earn a few bob out of speedway , we continually pay Vanessa Feltz and Graham Norton vast sums to be on TV and nobody likes them 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted June 23, 2015 Report Share Posted June 23, 2015 I think it was right to exclude NP for fencing GH. Nicki knew very well greg was there, he had gone under a wide riding Greg. Knowing he was there I feel he is obliged to leave room. I was pleased when the pole, was it Pawlicki snr, was excluded after the race for clashed with the Rusian coming out of the bend too. And I feel Sundstrom should have been excluded for taking the other Russian into the fence which caused Hample to fall and break his leg. I cant remember such deliberate fencing in the 60's and 70's, nothing like now I'm sure. Recall Emils injury that took him out of the 2013 GP season. Think it was Medinski at Torun. He knew Emil was there, took him out of the meeting and season with serious injuries. I know the throttle works both ways and it surely has to be closed if you catching someone and the gap closes when the rider in front doesnt know you coming. I know its a fine line, but with modern technology it doesnt take too long to get different shots of whats happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted June 23, 2015 Report Share Posted June 23, 2015 I cant remember such deliberate fencing in the 60's and 70's, nothing like now I'm sure. The worst I can remember was between Mike Lohmann and Mick McKeon at Hyde Road in the 70's. I can't recall who did what first but the other rider retaliated on the next bend and they both ended up in the fence. This is one crash that has stuck in my mind because it was obviously a deliberate fencing attempt but he must have got it all wrong as they both ended up injured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReturn Posted June 23, 2015 Report Share Posted June 23, 2015 Lucky Greg wasn't in that meeting as it would of been too tough for him Indeed, poor little Greg. I suppose the Star will be painting him as the victim this week. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruiser McHuge Posted June 23, 2015 Report Share Posted June 23, 2015 The worst I can remember was between Mike Lohmann and Mick McKeon at Hyde Road in the 70's. I can't recall who did what first but the other rider retaliated on the next bend and they both ended up in the fence. This is one crash that has stuck in my mind because it was obviously a deliberate fencing attempt but he must have got it all wrong as they both ended up injured. The rumours were that there had been an argument in the pits beforehand but I don't know if it was fact or rumour.....I was at the meeting and it happened so fast that I have no idea whether Mick McKeon deliberately fenced Mike Lohmann but I do know it was definitely one of the worst crashes I've ever seen and Lohmann hit the fence like a rag doll..it was horrible......Lohmann wasn't far off dying in that crash and I remember him months later and he was so frail and skinny after losing so much weight in recovery........he did come back riding for Belle Vue but he was a shadow of himself really so that crash definitely finished his career really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted June 23, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2015 The worst I can remember was between Mike Lohmann and Mick McKeon at Hyde Road in the 70's. I can't recall who did what first but the other rider retaliated on the next bend and they both ended up in the fence. This is one crash that has stuck in my mind because it was obviously a deliberate fencing attempt but he must have got it all wrong as they both ended up injured. The rumours were that there had been an argument in the pits beforehand but I don't know if it was fact or rumour.....I was at the meeting and it happened so fast that I have no idea whether Mick McKeon deliberately fenced Mike Lohmann but I do know it was definitely one of the worst crashes I've ever seen and Lohmann hit the fence like a rag doll..it was horrible......Lohmann wasn't far off dying in that crash and I remember him months later and he was so frail and skinny after losing so much weight in recovery........he did come back riding for Belle Vue but he was a shadow of himself really so that crash definitely finished his career really. That was actually in May 1980. My memory of the incident was that Mikael Lohmann was blamed on the terraces for the incident, particularly by the Halifax fans. Their anger being largely tempered by the horrific injuries Mikael suffered and his previous 'Duke' status. I thought it was subsequently understood that his footrest had broken causing him to 'straighten' up and 'spear' McKeon a-midships. Not really 'fencing' at all. There was a feature on this in a recent Backtrack edition Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted June 23, 2015 Report Share Posted June 23, 2015 The most blatant fencing I have seen is by Matej Zagar on Buzz Burrows at Monmore. Zagar gated, then slowed on the back straight, looking for Buzz to come on the outside and as he did, then flung his back wheel sideways catapulting Buzz over/through the back straight fence. Buzz was carted off in the ambulance with a suspected broken leg. Anyone there that night would know how despicable and blatant it was. In Zagars next heat he was outside Sam Ermolenko. I will leave you to work out where Sam took him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted June 23, 2015 Report Share Posted June 23, 2015 I wouldnt like to have hit the Belle Vue fence with any force never mind at full belt. Solid as a rock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReturn Posted June 23, 2015 Report Share Posted June 23, 2015 (edited) The worst I can remember was between Mike Lohmann and Mick McKeon at Hyde Road in the 70's. I can't recall who did what first but the other rider retaliated on the next bend and they both ended up in the fence. This is one crash that has stuck in my mind because it was obviously a deliberate fencing attempt but he must have got it all wrong as they both ended up injured. The rumours were that there had been an argument in the pits beforehand but I don't know if it was fact or rumour.....I was at the meeting and it happened so fast that I have no idea whether Mick McKeon deliberately fenced Mike Lohmann but I do know it was definitely one of the worst crashes I've ever seen and Lohmann hit the fence like a rag doll..it was horrible......Lohmann wasn't far off dying in that crash and I remember him months later and he was so frail and skinny after losing so much weight in recovery........he did come back riding for Belle Vue but he was a shadow of himself really so that crash definitely finished his career really. I know there is some 'debate' about what fencing means (well according to one back tracker) but the one incident that sticks in my mind was at Sheffield between Matousek and Nagy. According to the referee that night it was not deliberate because Matousek was not excluded from the re-run. Those Long Eaton fans there that night and who had been at Station Road the night before when the two clashed would have a different view on the exclusion. Was it deliberate, only one man knows but I know what I think. Edited June 23, 2015 by TheReturn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gee jay Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 The most blatant fencing I have seen is by Matej Zagar on Buzz Burrows at Monmore. Zagar gated, then slowed on the back straight, looking for Buzz to come on the outside and as he did, then flung his back wheel sideways catapulting Buzz over/through the back straight fence. Buzz was carted off in the ambulance with a suspected broken leg. Anyone there that night would know how despicable and blatant it was. In Zagars next heat he was outside Sam Ermolenko. I will leave you to work out where Sam took him. [/this is a bit of an eye opener for anybody oblivious to either incident like myself , both by two of nicki Pedersen's biggest critics .quote] I know there is some 'debate' about what fencing means (well according to one back tracker) but the one incident that sticks in my mind was at Sheffield between Matousek and Nagy. According to the referee that night it was not deliberate because Matousek was not excluded from the re-run. Those Long Eaton fans there that night and who had been at Station Road the night before when the two clashed would have a different view on the exclusion. Was it deliberate, only one man knows but I know what I think. I've come across something involving roman matousek before on the forum and I thought that was Sheffield v long eaton only it was written then that he deliberately rode over and badly injured an already fallen rider ? sorry about adding to someone's post instead of just answering them my computer has done this once before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 To clarify, Zagars move was an utterly despicable one, designed to cause injury. Sam was simply very very hard, he didn't actually fence him, Zagar bottled out sharpish. It was more of a warning and fully deserved. The Dean Machine I am sure remembers it, indeed he may even have been riding that night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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