TheReturn Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 The return...He's a on track bully, puts fear into other riders by dangerous actions. Im sure there is plenty of video evidence to support the riders claims. Nicki has got to take some responsibility for what he's caused but he hasn't and doesn't. Its not very sportman like to behave in this way and he has lost respect of his fellow riders. The balls in Nickis court. But I don't believe for one minute he deliberately sets out to hurt another rider. I wholeheartedly accept he rides to the limit, and beyond a lot, but then so do many other riders, Emil does, for a long time Gollob would too. Greg left a big gap, Nicki went through and kept the throttle open and track space got narrower and narrower. Racing accident, Nicki excluded (I will perhaps agree right decision) and that's the end of it. What Hancock did subsequently is what is deliberate and unacceptable and I am sick to the back teeth of sycophants excusing it because the recipient was NIcki. Again I come back to a point I made earlier in the thread, take the who away and focus on the what, would everyone still be defending the actions of the rider hitting out and making stupid personal statements if the rider on the receiving end of the leaping neck tackle say someone 'nice' like Tai? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nw42 Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 Lol ..as a Hancock punch would done anything ....the only think that was lucky that others were about to stop Niki giving him a good hiding ..it was a quite clear Greg did not have a clue about fighting . You're right, he doesn't come across as someone who would get involved in a fight, his actions were totally out of character I'm sure, which tells me a lot about how sick he must have been of putting up with the way Pedersen does not seem to give a single thought to ANY opponents safety. This scenario was in the ether, it could have been any one of many riders, it just happened to be Greg Hancock he pushed over the edge. Considering the inevitability of such an occurrence I have to say it's a pity it didn't happen against someone better equipped to have given Pedersen something to remember. Pedersen is definitely box office but he is also a danger to other riders, it's as though he considers the rear wheel as a weapon. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baba Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 The return..same goes for people jumping on the hancock gets a easy ride from his monster mates. Equally dumb and people are getting sick of that too. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReturn Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 The return..same goes for people jumping on the hancock gets a easy ride from his monster mates. Equally dumb and people are getting sick of that too. But with respect, that is exactly the point I am making about the statement, it's childish 'he did this, he did that' as some lame excuse for Greg's actions. Until this week I always thought of Greg to be ultimate professional, the sports Mr Nice Guy, but not anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baba Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 The return...Have your thoughts changed on nicki or much the same? Greg has done himself no favours and maybe lost the respect of some fans but in this warped world he's probably gained more than he's lost and gained more respect of riders and sponsers than he ever had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted June 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 (edited) Let's see if I can get this right, for my own understanding. Quite a few people who think that 'Greg was in the right' to land one on Nicki; seem to be saying ... It is a totally natural response for a 'victim' to lash out at the 'assailant' in the heat of the moment, without much thought. Yet the same people, it would seem, are simultaneously saying ... Nicki had this coming to him, lots of riders who been knocked off by him had been chatting about doing worse for ages, and that Greg had some 'premeditated justification' for attacking him as the 'representative of the collective'. A proxy thump from them all as soon as the opportunity arose. So one has it heat of moment, the other premeditated. Very different concepts. Morally, and in law. I know Greg seems to struggle with this paradox in his own statement. Can we help him. Which is it? . Edited June 18, 2015 by Grand Central 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 (edited) SHORTLY after the Zagar/Pedersen flare-up the SGP riders collectively spoke to Race Director Tony Olsson and the FIM about what they perceived to be Pedersen's dubious and dangerous tactics at times and that they would no longer tolerate them. At subsequent riders' briefings the referee of the day would point out that riders should respect one another, race fairly, leave each other room and that just because a rider was in front was no defence if he was deemed to be the cause of a stoppage or unfair riding. I would imagine that Tuesday's incident brought back memories for Greg not just of Prague a few years back but Gorzow last season when although no blame could be attached to NKI it was a sharp reminder of what can occur at high speed on the straights with no air fence. I have a lot of time and respect for Nicki. No one works harder, he is passionate about his speedway and has a thirst for success and I really don't believe that he goes out to hurt anyone. But there is no question that on occasions he oversteps the acceptable limit. Edited June 18, 2015 by PHILIPRISING Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 SHORTLY after the Zagar/Pedersen flare-up the SGP riders collectively spoke to Race Director Tony Olsson and the FIM about what they perceived to be Pedersen's dubious and dangerous tactics at times and that they would no longer tolerate them. At subsequent riders' briefing the referee of the day would point out that riders should respect one another, race fairly, leave each other room and that just because a rider was in front was no defence if he was deemed to be the cause of a stoppage or unfair riding. I would imagine that Tuesday's incident brought back memories for Greg not just of Prague a few years back but Gorzow last season when although no blame could be attached to NKI it was a sharp reminder of what can occur at high speed on the straights with no air fence. I have a lot of time and respect for Nicki. No one works harder, he is passionate about his speedway and has a thirst for success and I really don't believe that he goes out to hurt anyone. But there is no question that on occasions he oversteps the acceptable limit. So do we assume from that that no referee thought Nicki's riding bad enough to throw him out of the meeting? or Do they not want him thrown out cos he's box office? Just asking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
customhouseregular Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 Hand on heart, how many can say when incensed by someone's stupidity they have not over-reacted. The mildest mannered amongst us can be tempted to rashness if provoked. Greg's actions were regrettable but understandable. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 So do we assume from that that no referee thought Nicki's riding bad enough to throw him out of the meeting? or Do they not want him thrown out cos he's box office? Just asking. PRESUMABLY the former as far as referees are concerned but has he or any rider been deemed to warrant such action although it is definitely in the power of the referee. And as far as the organisers are concerned, of course he is box office. Looking forward to the pre-meeting parade at Cardiff. First in line current WC leader (Woffinden, not exactly NP's biggest fan), followed by Pedersen and Hancock (no Hampel). Perhaps they should put them in a boxing ring... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted June 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 SHORTLY after the Zagar/Pedersen flare-up the SGP riders collectively spoke to Race Director Tony Olsson and the FIM about what they perceived to be Pedersen's dubious and dangerous tactics at times and that they would no longer tolerate them. At subsequent riders' briefings the referee of the day would point out that riders should respect one another, race fairly, leave each other room and that just because a rider was in front was no defence if he was deemed to be the cause of a stoppage or unfair riding. I would imagine that Tuesday's incident brought back memories for Greg not just of Prague a few years back but Gorzow last season when although no blame could be attached to NKI it was a sharp reminder of what can occur at high speed on the straights with no air fence. I have a lot of time and respect for Nicki. No one works harder, he is passionate about his speedway and has a thirst for success and I really don't believe that he goes out to hurt anyone. But there is no question that on occasions he oversteps the acceptable limit. So ... I'm unsure. If this information is to help the debate. Does it mean we should be applauding Greg, or not. Even having got it off his chest; is it still OK for him to thump Nicki at Cardiff, If his 'memories' get the better of him? Or can the others have a 'pop' if they happen to fall off within 'blame distance' of Nicki? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPNY Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 Hand on heart, how many can say when incensed by someone's stupidity they have not over-reacted. The mildest mannered amongst us can be tempted to rashness if provoked. Greg's actions were regrettable but understandable. Yes Yes Yes. That really is point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semion Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 Nicki P........ Malcolm Tucker. Harry Hill..... FIGHTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT In the Words of Malcolm Tucker it would on, it would be so on, like fat Pats Thong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 Hand on heart, how many can say when incensed by someone's stupidity they have not over-reacted. The mildest mannered amongst us can be tempted to rashness if provoked. Greg's actions were regrettable but understandable. That might be true,but the authorities have to look at what Greg did and hand out a punishment that fits the incident and not look at who was in the incident and hand a lenient punishment because someone is a nice guy normally. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 PRESUMABLY the former as far as referees are concerned but has he or any rider been deemed to warrant such action although it is definitely in the power of the referee. And as far as the organisers are concerned, of course he is box office. Looking forward to the pre-meeting parade at Cardiff. First in line current WC leader (Woffinden, not exactly NP's biggest fan), followed by Pedersen and Hancock (no Hampel). Perhaps they should put them in a boxing ring... As it is at all meetings as I understand it. Therefore it follows referees either don't deem any rider, guilty of riding that is that dangerous or they are not giving the other riders the protection they want. Whichever, neither gives any rider the right to physically attack another, especially when that rider is still on his bike. Please note I'm trying to keep personalities out of this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
customhouseregular Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 Quite right iris...I was not suggesting Greg should not be punished. merely saying his (incorrect) response was understandable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 We should be applauding Greg for doing something exciting. Hitting another rider while he still has all his protection on is hardly going to cause any damage. It's a good thing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semion Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 The problem is also Greg came off when Nicki left him nowhere to and was thrown out of the race. Nicki could have pulled the same move and Greg stayed on. My money would be on the ref doing nothing to exclude Nicki. So riders have to fall for another to get excluded. Just because a rider doesnt fall, does it make the manourve any less dangerous ? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
customhouseregular Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 We should be applauding Greg for doing something exciting. Hitting another rider while he still has all his protection on is hardly going to cause any damage. It's a good thing! I assume you are speaking "tongue-in-cheek". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfsbane Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 (edited) Whatever the rights or wrongs of Hancock's actions they certainly cannot be called spur of the moment. He ran 50+ yards. That's premeditation. Plus Pedersen was a dozy sod, it wasn't difficult to imagine what was coming, he had plenty of time to see Hancock mincing towards him Edited June 18, 2015 by Wolfsbane 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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