pandorum Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 IMO Hancock was out of order and has rightly been fined for his behaviour (great to watch though ). As far as Nicki goes, Nicki p does what nicki P does and sod everyone else. Im sure hes in a number of riders 'little black books' and sooner or later he'll reap the 'rewards' of his on track exploits. As has been posted before there have been far harder and dirtier riders in the past, its not a new thing. My only issue with Pedersen is that in all the times ive seen him off another rider ive never once seen him go back round to see if his victim is ok. Perhaps he was coming round to see how Greg was and offer an apology and a lift back to the pits? We will never know now as Greg decided to flatten him whilst still in motion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 superb wrestling take down on the tool. no rider deservers to be on the wrong end of pederson. Sigh. No it wasn''t a 'superb wrestling take down'. It was an awful one as the result of it was Hancock flat on his back with Pedersen on top of him... if you're talking Olympic wrestling, Hancock has just lost. Judo... Hancock has just lost.. and if you want to discuss a UFC style of fight Hancock is now in position to be pounded on. All round it was a totally flawed attempt at retribution from Hancock and he was only rescued by his buddies. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 The Drama queens would have you think Nicki does this every other race 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDhVCWiWCvs This video is amusing... Hancock wipes someone out, the woman decides another rider rode into Greg! Who's there checking they are ok? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwatcher Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 Have the amount of GP's that the top riders race in these days, altered the whole attitude of modern era speedway. Nikki will do what ever he can to get to the front, even if it means taking out his own team mate, or pushing him off line to get in front. A personally think that with them riding all these individual meeings hey have tottaly lost the art of what the sport is ment to be, because when they get to race wihin the team system of the sport, all they are noe interested in is getting the win at all cost, there is no regard a all for their team mate. How many top riders can actully race with their team mate instead of against him, very few. One rider who has team riding of to an art is Greg, he will take the inside line to help his own team mate secure a win, with no going storming off, and then having his team lose poins because he failed his own rider. The modern era of speedway has now urned into a very selfish sport. One rider who sands out amonst the younger riders and one rider who I have pointed out on the forums for his stupid behaviour off the track is Darcy Ward. The amount of times I have seen him riding with Chris Holder, who is clueless, about tem riding, with Darcy rying all out to help him, with him slowing down and taking the inside line only for Holder to follow in his wheel racks, wih Darcy throwing his arms up in disgust at Holders riding. Yes the days of team riding is a dying art. Nikki would never think twice about cutting up his team mate to get to the front and get the win. This is the attitude of a great number of modern day riders. The Danes seem to excel in this with most of their riders have his I must win at all cost attitude. I still think this boils down o the fact, that they race far to many individual metting in a season, so when it comes the time to ride in a team, they can't get out of the fact that they are no longer riding alone, but with another rider who is here with them to score enough points to win a meeting. One rider can' do that on his own, he needs to get his team mate to score as many points as he can, you can't do that by blasting away in front and being half a lap away from the rest of the action, with your team mate being taken to he rear by the other teams riders. After all when they go out they go out as a team not 2 sepearate riders, who are out to score the win. There are 2 forms of speedway individual and team riding and the riders should be able to swap from one style of riding to the other, but they fail to do so. As I said it is far to selfish these days, with the I mos win at all costs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 So you don't think all this discussion is great for the sport? You can't buy this promotion! I DIDN'T say that and agree with your last comment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDhVCWiWCvs This video is amusing... Hancock wipes someone out, the woman decides another rider rode into Greg! Who's there checking they are ok? Ok your rants about Hancock are getting beyond the pale. If you think that was Greg wiping someone out than all I can suggest is you don't see a lot of speedway. He moved over as Vaculik was about to chop back. Its a racing incident where Greg was at fault happens all the time. This whole thread has been taken over by people who either: a. cant stand Hancock (bwitcher) b. cant stand Nicki (that idiot from poole arya) The posts from these 2 should be ignored as they don't have the intellect to debate it seems, and in Bwitchers case said the incident was 50/50 as to who should be excluded lol From an impartial point of view Nicki Pedersen has had it coming to him for a long time. This incident wasn't that hard compared to the other stuff he has done throughout his career but it was the straw that broke the camels back the other riders are fed up with his antics. It was a shock it was Hancock who did it to be fair but they have got previous. Hancock himself was out of order and the statement afterwards didn't show him in a good light. I do like the posts about the other riders giving Greg an easy time!!! What a load of old tosh! He makes the starts and when on song they don't get near him If he is caught he doesn't battle and doesn't ride dirty and leaves riders room so no you wont see a lot of elbows flying when people pass him. But whatever way you look at it Nicki is box office and are people going to Cardiff wanting to see Nicki or Greg? Nicki I would say. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 . A most startling and disturbing point of view. . SO you would rather see riders try to fence Pedersen? And believe me it has been talked about. That was my point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 Have the amount of GP's that the top riders race in these days, altered the whole attitude of modern era speedway. Nikki will do what ever he can to get to the front, even if it means taking out his own team mate, or pushing him off line to get in front. A personally think that with them riding all these individual meeings hey have tottaly lost the art of what the sport is ment to be, because when they get to race wihin the team system of the sport, all they are noe interested in is getting the win at all cost, there is no regard a all for their team mate. How many top riders can actully race with their team mate instead of against him, very few. One rider who has team riding of to an art is Greg, he will take the inside line to help his own team mate secure a win, with no going storming off, and then having his team lose poins because he failed his own rider. The modern era of speedway has now urned into a very selfish sport. One rider who sands out amonst the younger riders and one rider who I have pointed out on the forums for his stupid behaviour off the track is Darcy Ward. The amount of times I have seen him riding with Chris Holder, who is clueless, about tem riding, with Darcy rying all out to help him, with him slowing down and taking the inside line only for Holder to follow in his wheel racks, wih Darcy throwing his arms up in disgust at Holders riding. Yes the days of team riding is a dying art. Nikki would never think twice about cutting up his team mate to get to the front and get the win. This is the attitude of a great number of modern day riders. The Danes seem to excel in this with most of their riders have his I must win at all cost attitude. I still think this boils down o the fact, that they race far to many individual metting in a season, so when it comes the time to ride in a team, they can't get out of the fact that they are no longer riding alone, but with another rider who is here with them to score enough points to win a meeting. One rider can' do that on his own, he needs to get his team mate to score as many points as he can, you can't do that by blasting away in front and being half a lap away from the rest of the action, with your team mate being taken to he rear by the other teams riders. After all when they go out they go out as a team not 2 sepearate riders, who are out to score the win. There are 2 forms of speedway individual and team riding and the riders should be able to swap from one style of riding to the other, but they fail to do so. As I said it is far to selfish these days, with the I mos win at all costs. Great post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted June 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 SO you would rather see riders try to fence Pedersen? And believe me it has been talked about. That was my point. Do not put words into my mouth. You used the word retribution. And you stated that you felt it should happen off track. I still find that both startling and dusturbing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReturn Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 SO you would rather see riders try to fence Pedersen? And believe me it has been talked about. That was my point. Then those riders are worse than anything Nicki has done, because they would choose to do it deliberate, they are setting out with intent. Perhaps if you have heard riders discussing it you should name them Philip. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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orion Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 SO you would rather see riders try to fence Pedersen? And believe me it has been talked about. That was my point. He never said that at all ...you said that it's was better to do what Hancock did than do it on the track ...the bottom line is you should not be doing none of them . Your post suggest than it's ok to go around hitting people . 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 (edited) Ok your rants about Hancock are getting beyond the pale. If you think that was Greg wiping someone out than all I can suggest is you don't see a lot of speedway. He moved over as Vaculik was about to chop back. Its a racing incident where Greg was at fault happens all the time. This whole thread has been taken over by people who either: a. cant stand Hancock (bwitcher) b. cant stand Nicki (that idiot from poole arya) The posts from these 2 should be ignored as they don't have the intellect to debate it seems, and in Bwitchers case said the incident was 50/50 as to who should be excluded lol From an impartial point of view Nicki Pedersen has had it coming to him for a long time. This incident wasn't that hard compared to the other stuff he has done throughout his career but it was the straw that broke the camels back the other riders are fed up with his antics. It was a shock it was Hancock who did it to be fair but they have got previous. Hancock himself was out of order and the statement afterwards didn't show him in a good light. I do like the posts about the other riders giving Greg an easy time!!! What a load of old tosh! He makes the starts and when on song they don't get near him If he is caught he doesn't battle and doesn't ride dirty and leaves riders room so no you wont see a lot of elbows flying when people pass him. But whatever way you look at it Nicki is box office and are people going to Cardiff wanting to see Nicki or Greg? Nicki I would say. The forum was a decent place for a week or two.. Sadly you're back. The purpose of the Hancock video was two-fold. One to show that accidents happen, even involving Greg. Had that been Nicki on the inside people WOULD be claiming he'd wiped him out. Secondly, it has been stated that Nicki never checks on the well being of riders a few times.. there's evidence he does. Edited June 18, 2015 by BWitcher 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 Then those riders are worse than anything Nicki has done, because they would choose to do it deliberate, they are setting out with intent. Perhaps if you have heard riders discussing it you should name them Philip. BUT they haven't chosen to do it and no, I wouldn't name them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 What I'm finding quite interesting about this thread is discovering the multitude of ways there are of spelling Nicki. So far we've had Nikki, Nicky and Niki. Personally I spell it t o e r a g. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 Off topic but it's a sad reflection of this forum, and possibly the sport as a whole that this thread has 337 posts and the thread about Ben Barker who has 3 broken vertebrae has only 25 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 He never said that at all ...you said that it's was better to do what Hancock did than do it on the track ...the bottom line is you should not be doing none of them . Your post suggest than it's ok to go around hitting people . THE lesser of two evils ... not condoning it but I understand it. Quite often when I see a rash and dangerous tackle on a soccer pitch and the victim is the one sent off for retaliation I know where my sympathies lay. There would be no need for retaliation if the 'crime' wasn't committed in the first place. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 Off topic but it's a sad reflection of this forum, and possibly the sport as a whole that this thread has 337 posts and the thread about Ben Barker who has 3 broken vertebrae has only 25 I see this kind of post a lot, but it's totally irrelevant and has no reflection on the forum at all. This is a thread with varying opinions over a subject that can be debated. Ben Barker's is an injury, there is nothing to debate. It's a sad, unfortunate injury but not something that is going to generate a lot of discussion. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 BUT they haven't chosen to do it and no, I wouldn't name them Maybe they should join the Speedway Riders Assoc or even form their own association and make representations to the authorities of the various leagues and the GPs. Surely that's the adult way to do it? I see this kind of post a lot, but it's totally irrelevant and has no reflection on the forum at all. This is a thread with varying opinions over a subject that can be debated. Ben Barker's is an injury, there is nothing to debate. It's a sad, unfortunate injury but not something that is going to generate a lot of discussion. Whilst I agree with your last sentence, very few on this thread have made the very small effort required to sent best wishes etc for his recovery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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