Star Lady Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 It's all well and good calling for bans on riders etc.. but where do you draw the line? Not everyone agrees that move from Nicki was all that bad. Hard yes, but there was a gap there, Hancock had made a mistake and drifted wide. There was a slight bit of contact, nothing more. Yet folk are up in arms and want a ban. Ban someone for that, you won't have many riders left come season end. Knock on effects are racers will be worried about trying to overtake, racing will become ever more dull and boring and you'll all be moaning about how great the sport was back in the day when we had 'characters' and riders that were hard and overtaking took place. Another knock on effect is, you already get riders taking dives in an attempt to get reruns and riders excluded.. it would be even worse with them trying to get someone banned. I agree with a lot of that which is why I believe refs should reort it to the SCB or whichever authority . They can then take a more distant view, watch any video available, take statements from other riders/officials and would see if a pattern emerges concerning certain riders. It should not be down to a single individual to issue a ban, apart from throwing a rider out of a meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfsbane Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 The Hancock statement is up: http://www.greghancock.com/2015/06/17/team-hancock-racing-statement/ 'I acted in self defence'. What by running 50 yards and clotheslining him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post lucifer sam Posted June 17, 2015 Popular Post Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 Statement from Nicki Pedersen: My dad's bigger than your dad. Statement from Greg Hancock: Well my big brother is bigger than your big brother. Statement from Darcy Ward: Where's the off-licence? All the best Rob 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 a LITTLE bit of paytback from greg. i wish i could jump that high ! the rick deservers all he got. one nice guy is greg..... pederson has got away with it for years.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R87 Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 (edited) You can make equally long lists for Emil for starters. Zagar I witnessed making one of the most despicable moves I have ever seen on Buzz Burrows. Woffy has wiped out a number of fellow competitors. Gollob most certainly has. Holder too was no shrinking violet before his injury. See a pattern? Very rare to see a world champion who isn't prepared to be a little forceful at times. You do need that nasty edge to be successful. Rickardsson, Gollob, Crump, Hamill etc.... I've seen all of them be pretty ruthless at times. Pedersen has stepped over the line in occasions - that can't be denied - but yesterday was not as dirty as some of the others we've seen. The problem is his reputation means any incident involving him leads to all and sundry jumping on the bandwagon. Hancocks was wrong to have reacted the way that he did and it shouldn't be glossed over just because people think he's a nice guy. Edited June 17, 2015 by mb1990 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theflyingkiwi Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 There is far too much emotion from riders and fans alike. Pedersen is a hard rider who has a habit of crossing the line between hard and unfair but Greg went over the top. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazeaway Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 Childish statement from Hancock. It started well enough but soon descended. He did this, he did that. blah blah. He was scared of me I could tell.. Sounds like a 5 year old. I'm amazed how many riders seem to have found their voices over this incident yet not one single one of the spineless ***** said a word when a rider was caught trying to ride drunk. Apart from one of course... 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ytsejam Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 Its was about time that Pederson got a bit of "medicine" from someone for his dirty riding HOWEVER, IF speedway is wanting to be seen by the public as anything other than an embarrassing and unprofessional joke, then Hancock (even more so as he should be setting an example as World Champion) needs to get at the very minimum, a 3 month ban for physical violence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 why would anyone fear Hancock? And why is he dropping Holders name into it?... Wants to grow up imo.... True colours and all that!! Smarmy little git 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 I'm amazed how many riders seem to have found their voices over this incident yet not one single one of the spineless ***** said a word when a rider was caught trying to ride drunk. Apart from one of course... Who exactly was that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R87 Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 I notice someone has set up a fundraiser to pay Hancocks fine. Hancock doesn't need someone to pay his fines for him as he isn't exactly poor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandorum Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 It's all well and good calling for bans on riders etc.. but where do you draw the line? Not everyone agrees that move from Nicki was all that bad. Hard yes, but there was a gap there, Hancock had made a mistake and drifted wide. There was a slight bit of contact, nothing more. Yet folk are up in arms and want a ban. Ban someone for that, you won't have many riders left come season end. Knock on effects are racers will be worried about trying to overtake, racing will become ever more dull and boring and you'll all be moaning about how great the sport was back in the day when we had 'characters' and riders that were hard and overtaking took place. Another knock on effect is, you already get riders taking dives in an attempt to get reruns and riders excluded.. it would be even worse with them trying to get someone banned. A ban for Hancock for what he did. That is clear cut. They can't allow that. The Pedersen incident is a different thing altogether and as someone said before opens a can of worms. Can they ban Pedersen and if so he can put forward a defence that he is not the only culprit. They can hardly turn a blind eye to the likes of Sundstrom who committed a greater offence last Thursday fencing the Russian and ending Jarek Hampels year. Picking on Nicki even if he is a cowardly rider is not an option. Same rules must apply to everyone. As The Return said it's not the WHO but the WHAT. Best of luck officials with that one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 I'm am not a fan of Pedersen ,but it is very unprofessional for Greg to carp on about him and his riding tactics.He is a 3 times world Champion and still at the top in the sport.He has a ruthless streak the many riders don't like but I have seen a lot riders just as bad as Niki.Anyone watching the SWC final would have seen some VERY RUTHLESS riding.We might have to introduce a yellow and red card system if Ref 's have to exclude riders for dangerous riding to often. Ps I have seen a lot worse than Niki's move last night on a regular basis,I reckon 60-70% of riders "close the door"on other riders on the straight. Most riders know what opponents to "look out for" and ride accordingly 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandorum Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 Statement from Nicki Pedersen: My dad's bigger than your dad. Statement from Greg Hancock: Well my big brother is bigger than your big brother. Statement from Darcy Ward: Where's the off-licence? All the best Rob I get the niggling feeling that YOU are not taking this at all seriously? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 It's not a big game. You only have to look at the crash that killed Lee Richardson to see how easy a life is taken by this sport. It is not an exaggeration. it. Stop wriggling. Your your phrase about Greg going off to meet Lee Richardson was in the poorest possible taste and crass in the extreme. The fact that you not only don't realise it but try to move the goal posts as if that's not what you said, really tells us all we need to know about you, irrespective of anyone's views on the Greg/Nicki incident. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 There is far too much emotion from riders and fans alike. Pedersen is a hard rider who has a habit of crossing the line between hard and unfair but Greg went over the top. He certainly did - over the top of Nicki's handlebars. :shock: I notice someone has set up a fundraiser to pay Hancocks fine. Hancock doesn't need someone to pay his fines for him as he isn't exactly poor. He said that in his apology and directed anyone who wished to pay anything to an American Charity. Fair enough in my book. I won't be donating though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 I'm am not a fan of Pedersen ,but it is very unprofessional for Greg to carp on about him and his riding tactics.He is a 3 times world Champion and still at the top in the sport.He has a ruthless streak the many riders don't like but I have seen a lot riders just as bad as Niki.Anyone watching the SWC final would have seen some VERY RUTHLESS riding.We might have to introduce a yellow and red card system if Ref 's have to exclude riders for dangerous riding to often. Ps I have seen a lot worse than Niki's move last night on a regular basis,I reckon 60-70% of riders "close the door"on other riders on the straight. Most riders know what opponents to "look out for" and ride accordingly These riders know each other well, they see what goes on and meet up all over the world, you don't know what has gone on in private in the past or why Pedersen was gesticulating when he saw Hancock on the floor, it seems among riders that he has few if any friends. Other incidents involving other riders, have no bearing on this. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 Like him or loathe him but speedway will be a duller place when Pedersen hangs up his kevlars. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 Statement from Nicki Pedersen: My dad's bigger than your dad. Statement from Greg Hancock: Well my big brother is bigger than your big brother. Statement from Darcy Ward: Where's the off-licence? All the best Rob you forgot to mention his uncle, who's in the Army,,, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mixy230 Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 (edited) What a shambles of a statement "SELF DEFENSE"! "no apology to Pederson"! From what was a massive over reaction from Hancock. Be realistic everybody. Correct to exclude Pederson, but realy just a normal move that happens every week in Speedway (sometimes they fall, sometimes they stay on, sometimes the rider against the wall rolls the throttle off and cuts inside) Be realistic, if you want people to race this will happen! I agree Greg does get an easier ride from his "mates" bless him (His mind games on them have done that) Good luck to him I agree Nicki does get an easier ride from his "enemies" bless them! a little fear maybe (His mind games on them have done that) Good luck to him. Fights etc in any sport a fine and a ban (maybe just a week or two) 2nd offence bigger fine and longer ban! People get away with some naughty stuff in Speedway (Holders brother / team starting on Pederson on the track etc, in my opinion they started that and Holder was responsible as its his crew!) All entertaining tho and mainly handbags Have respect for both riders in different ways and it makes life interesting! Greg has all his mates messaging & tweeting silly things which looks soooooooooo bad! almost comical and doing him no favours at all! Edited June 17, 2015 by Mixy230 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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