The Dilemma Of Greg Hancock

[stratton]

Have you never made a mistake Sidney?

Loads and daily.

[sparkafag]

Nobody wants injuries, but deep down I think fans do like to see crashes. Yes it is perverse, but deep down we like the thrill of it (provided they all get up).

 

You might, imposing opinion of others on your own point doesn’t add weight to your post as, well….it’s still your own thought rather than actuality.

 

I don’t particularly enjoy crashes a good race will do.

[pandorum]

Although I agree with your point about Cardiff, I'm sorry but the rest of that is just offensive. I may not agree with people's point of view occasionally, but to get a contribution from someone who has more inside information than you and I will ever have, is something that needs to be respected - along with everybody else's views on here.

Not at all. I don't care a jot for the bloke in question and what I respect and disrespect is for me to decide.

 

Yes he has all this inside information but this particular instance shows what a fool he really is.

In his quest to impress us he reveals private conversations from riders that he has heard riders discuss fencing Nicki Pedersen.

Now that is not just a bit of a laugh but a serious crime depending how Nicki would come out of the fencing.

Seriously injured then it would be assault. Dead it would then move into the realm of manslaughter or even murder.

Riders conspiring to commit such an act would also be drawn into it.

Of course accidents happen all the time but due to this big mouthed pillock we now know there is a conspiracy to do harm to Nicki Pedersen by his fellow GP riders.

 

That is something that should NEVER in ANY circumstances have been placed on a forum like this.

This fool is now privy to that conspiracy and has told God knows how many people that this conspiracy exists.

 

I have met some idiots in my time but this bloke would be elected King by them if they ever got together.

The last thing I wanted to know on this forum was that riders may be planning to fence Nicki Pedersen as it is none of my business and anyone overhearing such a thing should do all he can to ensure it is reported to the Speedway authorities before it goes any further along with the names of those involved.

What will I think next time Nicki ends up in the fence and is carted away in an ambulance.

 

He should have kept his big mouth shut and riders now need to beware before imparting any private information to this bloke.

 

I think it is the most disgraceful post I have ever seen on this forum.

[sparkafag]

 

I suggest you check out a recent race between Nicki Pedersen and Matej Zagar.

 

Damn hard racing and a fantastic race.

 

Why would I watch something I had already seen.

 

If Pedersen actually raced like that more often I would buy into the “box office” line and his fellow competitors wouldn’t have the dislike for him they do.

[TheReturn]

You might, imposing opinion of others on your own point doesn’t add weight to your post as, well….it’s still your own thought rather than actuality.

 

I don’t particularly enjoy crashes a good race will do.

Fair enough you don't. but I would hazard a guess many do, if that was not the case then for years the Crashes and Cock Up video would not have been a video best seller!

[BWitcher]

 

You might, imposing opinion of others on your own point doesn’t add weight to your post as, well….it’s still your own thought rather than actuality.

 

I don’t particularly enjoy crashes a good race will do.

 

 

Ah, so its not ok to impose the opinion of others to a post...

 

I find the definition by which Nikki is assessed by some completely odd “box office” he is “box office” because he puts other riders in dangerous positions due to moves that are harsh verging on dirty, wow, great.

 

If other riders were “box office” you would barely see 4 laps a meeting, you would redefine the sport in order for it to be “box office” I would assume most people would quickly loose interest in this “box office” sport, whatever it is, because it wouldn’t be speedway.

 

 

Unless its your post.

 

As for your claims we'd never see 4 laps... we're constantly told how back in the day the sport had far tougher, harder even dirtier riders than Pedersen.. not only that there were many of them. Tell me, did meetings rarely have 4 laps in them? Or are you just concocting nonsense to try and disprove something that is pretty flaming obvious.

 

Having someone to hate is good for business in any sport or entertainment. Fans come along in the hope of seeing them get beat!

Edited June 19, 2015 by BWitcher

[sparkafag]

Fair enough you don't. but I would hazard a guess many do, if that was not the case then for years the Crashes and Cock Up video would not have been a video best seller!

 

It’s a guess, an assumption, with very little validation , or tangible to back it up.

 

It is comparable to say most think Brent Werner is “box office” do they, no probably not, does me saying it make it true, no, would I say something without any evidence to validate my claim, no, it’s uneducated to do so.

[TheReturn]

It’s a guess, an assumption, with very little validation , or tangible to back it up.

You really are clutching at straws now. Would the words 'video best seller' by the production company not suggest a fact that people do like looking at crashes?

[sparkafag]

 

 

Ah, so its not ok to impose the opinion of others to a post...

 

 

 

Unless its your post.

 

As for your claims we'd never see 4 laps... we're constantly told how back in the day the sport had far tougher, harder even dirtier riders than Pedersen.. not only that there were many of them. Tell me, did meetings rarely have 4 laps in them? Or are you just concocting nonsense to try and disprove something that is pretty flaming obvious.

 

There is a slight difference between saying it how you see it and deciding others thoughts for them eg "deep down I think fans do like to see crashes".

 

Why do I need to have seen the sport in the olden days to know what would happen based on the actions of actually watching Pedersen over the years, what does it matter what riders like Briggs done on a bike?

[stratton]

He would just about make my top twenty sidney.

 

He wouldn't rate very high though - bottom three probably.

 

He would face stiff competition from Rickardsen, Crump, Craven, Collins, Briggo, yes and even Hancock et al.

Fundin Mauger, Olsen,Nielsen, Gundersen,Penhall,Lee, Gollob,Huxley, Farndon, Duggan, Briggs ( the best ever opinion not FACT??) Moore,Wilkinson,Rickardsson,J.Crump,Craven,Collins,Sigalos, Adams all above NP my humble opinion not FACT.!!

[TheReturn]

Fundin Mauger, Olsen,Nielsen, Gundersen,Penhall,Lee, Gollob,Huxley, Farndon, Duggan, Briggs ( the best ever opinion not FACT??) Moore,Wilkinson,Rickardsson,J.Crump,Craven,Collins,Sigalos, Adams all above NP my humble opinion not FACT.!!

I would agree with all of those except Leigh Adams.

[sparkafag]

You really are clutching at straws now. Would the words 'video best seller' by the production company not suggest a fact that people do like looking at crashes?

 

A certain % possibly do, is it the basis of the sport, the life blood of the sport, the box office of the sport, no.

 

It would be interesting to know what % of speedway attending fans actually bother to purchase Crashes and Cock Ups, if 20,000 fans attend across the year and only 500 or so copies are sold it probably confirms where fans stand with the sport.

 

The vast majority attending probably aren’t buying Crashes and Cock Ups, the fact that the sale of a Crashes DVD is being used as validation of Pedersens “Box office” is hardly a screaming indictment of how he is perceived.

[oldace]

Fundin Mauger, Olsen,Nielsen, Gundersen,Penhall,Lee, Gollob,Huxley, Farndon, Duggan, Briggs ( the best ever opinion not FACT??) Moore,Wilkinson,Rickardsson,J.Crump,Craven,Collins,Sigalos, Adams all above NP my humble opinion not FACT.!!

 

 

Pretty good shout there Sid, but at the risk of upsetting Norbold, I find it hard to credit pre war rider as true greats. The sport was so much in it's infancy that no matter what the standard some would have been better than others. The skills required had not really been honed at that point and as such I find it difficult to place, say, Tom Farndon against Tommy Jansson. Of course the war (and a fatal accident in Farndons case) intervened so it is impossible to say if those guys could have remained at the top as standards got higher. That is not to say they wouldn't have done, just too much of an unknown for me

[Star Lady]

 

 

 

It would be interesting to know what % of speedway attending fans actually bother to purchase Crashes and Cock Ups, if 20,000 fans attend across the year and only 500 or so copies are sold it probably confirms where fans stand with the sport.

 

The vast majority attending probably aren’t buying Crashes and Cock Ups, the fact that the sale of a Crashes DVD is being used as validation of Pedersens “Box office” is hardly a screaming indictment of how he is perceived.

 

 

I perceive it as maybe they are skint after forking out to watch speedway live.

 

You can't prove which of us is correct so it confirms nothing

[TheReturn]

the fact that the sale of a Crashes DVD is being used as validation of Pedersens “Box office” is hardly a screaming indictment of how he is perceived.

Yes, we got off topic a little bit with crashes, but the SWC is a good example of exciting racing, riders throwing their bikes at each other, hard riding with reputations ignored, and like someone else pointed out on the thread, Greg could not handle it, being overtaken (as was Nicki). That event was widely deemed one of the best ever meetings seen for many years, we got lucky with so few crashes despite the hard racing but I would suggest some of those moves in the SWC were far harder than what Nicki did to Greg, and people loved the meeting.

Edited June 19, 2015 by TheReturn

[sparkafag]

Yes, we got off topic a little bit with crashes, but the SWC is a good example of exciting racing, riders throwing their bikes at each other, hard riding with reputations ignored, and like someone else pointed out on the thread, Greg could not handle it, being overtaken (as was Nicki). That event was widely deemed one of the best ever meetings seen for many years, we got lucky with few crashes but I would suggest some of those moves in the SWC were far harder than what Nicki did to Greg, and people loved the meeting.

 

Yeah absolutely fans enjoy good, hard racing.

 

The narrative you have written re Hancock is again your own thought rather than actuality.

[TheReturn]

The narrative you have written re Hancock is again your own thought rather than actuality.

FFS this is hard work... this is a forum, by definition what we write is 99% based on our own opinion. Would you like me to write (IMO) after everything I write? Would that satisfy you?

Edited June 19, 2015 by TheReturn

[sparkafag]

FFS this is hard work... this is a forum, by definition what we write is 99% based on our own opinion. Would you like me to write (IMO) after everything I write? Would that satisfy you?

 

No, not particularly by all means have your own thoughts. I just find the need to add the thoughts of fans, riders to lack any kind of credibility.

[BWitcher]

 

There is a slight difference between saying it how you see it and deciding others thoughts for them eg "deep down I think fans do like to see crashes".

 

Why do I need to have seen the sport in the olden days to know what would happen based on the actions of actually watching Pedersen over the years, what does it matter what riders like Briggs done on a bike?

 

Because they were just as rough and tumble as Nicki is.

 

You have claimed you would 'barely see 4 laps in a meeting'.

 

History has shown otherwise.

 

Why would I watch something I had already seen.

 

If Pedersen actually raced like that more often I would buy into the “box office” line and his fellow competitors wouldn’t have the dislike for him they do.

 

It takes two to tango. If riders raced Nicki like that things would be better... many don't, they bottle it and bail out.

 

No, not particularly by all means have your own thoughts. I just find the need to add the thoughts of fans, riders to lack any kind of credibility.

I would assume most people would quickly loose interest in this “box office” sport, whatever it is, because it wouldn’t be speedway.

 

 

Indeed, thanks for confirming the lack of credibility of your posts.

 

Trolls like yourself who try and be clever with their wording always catch themselves out. I've no doubt you'll continue to try and wriggle, but it's there in black and white.

[speedibee]

Point acknowledged everyone about my posting, but the point was there is a governing body to complain to about the individual actions of riders.

 

Sadly, we miss the opportunity to make any real impact on riders (and don't give me any wasted posting about 'Human rights', when I say, give extended bans to those who step over the line, the UK is likely to withdraw from this farcical law in due course).

 

I'm seriously considering going through the process of obtaining a League Referee's Licence if only to impose some justice to some of the riders I whine about during the season. I'll be happy to 'kick em out of a meeting'. Bring it on. lol

Please post your real name , then we can notify the SCB of your intention to clean up stodge city . even with your statement that you will mete out lynch mob justice on riders who YOU dissapprove of , you'll likely do a better job reffing than any of the women refs ..