stratton Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 not giving him leeway? He rightly got excluded?? You are going on like he smashed Hancock in the fence, he didnt!! Imo Ben Barker did much worse to Ludvig Lindgren on sunday, but lindgren came off the throttle and stayed on. What the hell has years gone by got to do with anything?? And how the hell do you know his moves are pre meditated?? Was it any worse than Morris on lambert or Pawlicki on the Russian at the world cup?? Both could have ended in disaster. Yesterday could of ended in disaster but Pedersen was lucky this time,next time whoever the rider might be he might not be so lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 Technically it is true as if they bought a ticket from the box office then the tout will have already bought his. So in fact it would have been extra money for BSI. Why is the tout any different to the ticket office on Wood Street? Both are 3rd parties who buy the tickets off BSI and sell them on to me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 The pattern is there will always be incidents in Speedway. But not repeated time after time the same person. Can you genuinely not see that? I have no personal vendetta against Nicki I'm just saying it as I see. Yea can see by your flag how unbias your likely to be . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 (edited) Yesterday could of ended in disaster but Pedersen was lucky this time,next time whoever the rider might be he might not be so lucky.totally blown out of all proportion, has anyone got a link to the previous heat last night (14?) where nicki says he came off the gas?? We keep hearing about other incidents involving other riders but the point is pedersen caused a rider to fall off AGAIN!!!how many has he caused to fall in his professional career spanning nearly 20 years? Edited June 17, 2015 by Arson fire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 We keep hearing about other incidents involving other riders but the point is pedersen caused a rider to fall off AGAIN!!! Pedersen has managed to get a 21 page thread on the BSF in 24 hours. He certainly knows how to make us talk about him! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wheelman Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 https://www.facebook.com/stefan.jarl2/videos/10204585274292067/ From that angle Greg runs into the back of Nicki. The video I saw . Greg was never in front and tried for a Gap that he thought would stay on the outside....... Racing against Nicki all these years he should have realised that gap could disappear....... a red mist incident that happens.....shake hands and get over it...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robinsgirl Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 All these gullible fools (riders) that fawn over Hancock Hancock has them right where he wants them. They don't push him on track, must give the nice old guy all the room in the world. Net result? Greg wins World Title/s. Rickardsson, Crump etc wouldn't give him so much respect. It was interesting that in the World Cup some of the younger kids didn't pay him so much heed.. and breezed past him. I think a lot of this about riders giving the old guy room is in your minds... The young riders that 'breeze' past him aren't putting him under pressure, and the older riders still pass him the same way. Look at Lambert's pass in SWC, Hancock just wasn't as fast, it wasn't a tough pass by any means.It's just that usually Hancock gates well and his bike is set up well and ' young or old' they just can't get past. Hence he wins the World Title. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wackie Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 Really disappointed in Greg's statement regarding the incident last night, tainted a fantastic career imo, and not something you'd expect a professional speedway rider of his caliber to issue. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R87 Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 (edited) Nicki is a great rider and from what I'm told a decent bloke off the track but the fact of the matter is he causes crashes time after time. Even if you are a fan of his you have to realize that every other rider dislikes him for a reason. I remember in the Cardiff program years ago David Norris admitting that even though NP was his team mate there were times he couldn't defend some of the stuff he did. Also, I used to sponsor an ex team mate of Nicki's and he simply described him as a lunatic who'd rather fence him then get a 5-1. For those of you who don't know me you may think that is made up bull****, but I swear it's true. As for Greg's reaction, don't know what everyone is up in arms about. He just got knocked off his bike at 70mph, by a guy who's don't it multiple times before & he saw red mist. Not the first or last person who's done that. The only real surprise was that it was Greg that finally stepped up and did what loads of others had wanted to do for years. Roll on Cardiff... I can well remember him costing Eastbourne a bonus point against Wolves in 2003 because he'd had a clash with Peter Karlsson earlier in the meeting and then became more interested in gaining his revenge on PK later in the meeting. None of his past crimes however should excuse Hancock's conduct afterwards, nor his petulant statement. Edited June 17, 2015 by mb1990 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfsbane Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 In your dreams. I did the transfer. Not another pork pie off the CVS/Adams conveyor belt surely? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazeaway Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 I can well remember him costing Eastbourne a bonus point against Wolves in 2003 because he'd had a clash with Peter Karlsson earlier in the meeting and then became more interested in gaining his revenge on PK later in the meeting. None of his past crimes however should excuse Hancock's conduct afterwards, nor his petulant statement. Then you Sir seriously need to get out more! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 Not another pork pie off the CVS/Adams conveyor belt surely? Surely tsunami means it was more than 25k? Why world a Wolves fan deram we had paíd more than we had. If we did pay less, good work from cvs, bad work from tsunami. Wolves will nave recouped much if not all of it in loan fees over the years. Then you Sir seriously need to get out more! Not really blaze, I think every wolves fan remembers said meeting. In a way that's the great thing about nicki. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 Links to Youtube videos added to first post. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huQ0I-3VRtY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 Really disappointed in Greg's statement regarding the incident last night, tainted a fantastic career imo, and not something you'd expect a professional speedway rider of his caliber to issue. On the contrary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 like the sign above the starting gate. ( under pederson ). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 BETTER to take retribution off the track than on it. Plenty of riders 30/40 years ago would have dealt with a similar situation very differently. A speedway bike can be a lethal weapon when seeking revenge. Like it or not, Hancock's views are echoed around the SGP pits and it was only a matter of time before something like this happened again. Matej Zagar had a confrontation with NP in Manilla a few years back. Of course, Pedersen is box office, the pantomime villain if you like, but safety is paramount and there are undoubtably times when Nicki oversteps the mark and risks injuring his fellow competitors. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted June 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 Like it or not, Hancock's views are echoed around the SGP pits and it was only a matter of time before something like this happened again. Matej Zagar had a confrontation with NP in Manilla a few years back. That happens a lot in the Philippines. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 Facts are Nicki didn't cause serious injury or worse. Facts are there was barely any contact. Facts are there was still room for Greg. Facts are Greg jumped of the bike, releasing it, hence it continuing on its way down the track and not going into the fence. ergo sum, Greg wasn't fenced. Facts are Greg drifted wide, locked up twice, Nicki rode a perfect corner. Facts are it was a speedway racing incident that is seen hundreds of times a season. Decision to exclude Nicki, 50/50 but no qualms with that call being made. FACTS? You wouldn't know what facts were if they slapped you in the face. Facts aren't opinions, they are precise details that all people recognise. Strange you talk about some, so-called facts and only mention those that highlights your opinion. So lets have a few more facts: 1. Greg Hancock is the most respected Speedway rider in the world. Not just in this country, but the World over. Be it fellow riders, fans or media. Nobody has a bad word to say about Greg Hancock. Having met him on numerous occasions he is the complete genuine person, a fantastic ambassador to everyone and everything, he is associated with. He is the sort of person who would make a perfect role model for people to imitate. 2. Nicki Pedersen, has a name of being Selfish, Dirty, Hard, rider. He cares for no one but himself. Someone who is always involved in controversy. On the riding circuit he has but a few friends, and supporters don't flock in their thousand to watch him. I saw at first hand the depths he is prepared to take to win when he Tee-Boned Kenneth Bjerre, (a fellow Dane) at the a televised meeting at the. EESG, a few years back. Even his home fans jeered in disbelief of his antics. He then, in response to the boos, rode round gestating to the crowd with his thump and fore finger. A real gentleman!!!!!. doing that in front of families and children. When Tatum and Pearson took him to task of his behaviour he just smiled and wasn't interested. Tatum actually said at the time it was probably the worst piece of dirty riding he had ever witnessed. No, I wasn't there at the meeting, but have seen 3 different recordings of the incident, all from different positions around the track, and each of those Pedersen is clearly at fault. In a race, when the meeting is all but over, Hancock was leading, when Pedersen, some distance adrift, straightened up on the corner and got good drive out. From the extra speed, Pedersen could've picked any line he wished. But getting to the front wasn't his prime aim. he wanted to interfere with Hancock's line forcing him to ease off or else. That all very well when you allow them the space to do that . but Pedersen's intended line said he wasn't taken any prisoners. The whole incident is dictated by Pederson forceful riding. There are too many accidents and people get hurt in the sport now, riders need to remember this. Had the positions been changed round there would've no accident because Hancock would haven't done that. Whether there was any contact, only them will know, but it was to close, difficult to see from each of them videos, but the movement of Hancock handlebars suggests there was. For a calm and placid man, the reaction from Hancock tells me he thought Pedersen had crossed that line. I don't condone Hancock's retaliation, but you have to realise it's them who put their life on the line. How anybody can justify Pedersen's behaviour is beyond me. Footnote: I am part of a syndicate who have a sweepstake at each SGP. We pick riders at the start of each year for the whole campaign. This year, my rider is NICKI PEDERSEN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted June 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 (edited) As original poster I want to register my anger at the thread title and my first post being altered against my wishes by a moderator. It changes completely the nature of how I wanted this thread to be discussed. Disgusting action on the mods part. Edited June 18, 2015 by Grand Central 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillipsr Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 FACTS? You wouldn't know what facts were if they slapped you in the face. Facts aren't opinions, they are precise details that all people recognise. Strange you talk about some, so-called facts and only mention those that highlights your opinion. So lets have a few more facts: 1. Greg Hancock is the most respected Speedway rider in the world. Not just in this country, but the World over. Be it fellow riders, fans or media. Nobody has a bad word to say about Greg Hancock. Having met him on numerous occasions he is the complete genuine person, a fantastic ambassador to everyone and everything, he is associated with. He is the sort of person who would make a perfect role model for people to imitate. 2. Nicki Pedersen, has a name of being Selfish, Dirty, Hard, rider. He cares for no one but himself. Someone who is always involved in controversy. On the riding circuit he has but a few friends, and supporters don't flock in their thousand to watch him. I saw at first hand the depths he is prepared to take to win when he Tee-Boned Kenneth Bjerre, (a fellow Dane) at the a televised meeting at the. EESG, a few years back. Even his home fans jeered in disbelief of his antics. He then, in response to the boos, rode round gestating to the crowd with his thump and fore finger. A real gentleman!!!!!. doing that in front of families and children. When Tatum and Pearson took him to task of his behaviour he just smiled and wasn't interested. Tatum actually said at the time it was probably the worst piece of dirty riding he had ever witnessed. No, I wasn't there at the meeting, but have seen 3 different recordings of the incident, all from different positions around the track, and each of those Pedersen is clearly at fault. In a race, when the meeting is all but over, Hancock was leading, when Pedersen, some distance adrift, straightened up on the corner and got good drive out. From the extra speed, Pedersen could've picked any line he wished. But getting to the front wasn't his prime aim. he wanted to interfere with Hancock's line forcing him to ease off or else. That all very well when you allow them the space to do that . but Pedersen's intended line said he wasn't taken any prisoners. The whole incident is dictated by Pederson forceful riding. There are too many accidents and people get hurt in the sport now, riders need to remember this. Had the positions been changed round there would've no accident because Hancock would haven't done that. Whether there was any contact, only them will know, but it was to close, difficult to see from each of them videos, but the movement of Hancock handlebars suggests there was. For a calm and placid man, the reaction from Hancock tells me he thought Pedersen had crossed that line. I don't condone Hancock's retaliation, but you have to realise it's them who put their life on the line. How anybody can justify Pedersen's behaviour is beyond me. Footnote: I am part of a syndicate who have a sweepstake at each SGP. We pick riders at the start of each year for the whole campaign. This year, my rider is NICKI PEDERSEN I would say far more people travel to see Pedersen than you think. Theres 8 of us going to Cardiff for a start and not one of us could give a monkeys about Hancock being there. There is also a difference between respecting a rider snd caring if he is in an event. Got a feeling ill be celebrating a NP win at Cardiff 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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