george.m Posted June 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 One more point about yesterday . One of the races , cant remember which one , there was an unsatisfactory start . The new rules prevent the riders returning to the pits . But what we had yesterday was all four riders sat at the pits gate and a posse of mechanics descended onto the track and all sorts of adjustments were then carried out . New ruling is pretty pointless then . Exactly. You had plenty of time to get your bike ready before the false start. My God, it's only been 2 minutes since you left the pits. I can't see a justifiable reason for it. Unless of course it's as case of: 1. OCD 2. "Missing you already" 3. This is Possil, I need to check my wallet and/or brown envelope is still in the pits. Get on with the racing!!! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodiepatchie Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 One more point about yesterday . One of the races , cant remember which one , there was an unsatisfactory start . The new rules prevent the riders returning to the pits . But what we had yesterday was all four riders sat at the pits gate and a posse of mechanics descended onto the track and all sorts of adjustments were then carried out . New ruling is pretty pointless then .ah but there are many on here that will tell you the new rule stops cookie adding his alleged 'super fuel' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 ah but there are many on here that will tell you the new rule stops cookie adding his alleged 'super fuel' Are you sure he wasn't using it yesterday ? he looked super fast and going past riders like they were standing still Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Blobby Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 Are you sure he wasn't using it yesterday ? he looked super fast and going past riders like they were standing still No need for super fuel he was on the 600cc. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 No need for super fuel he was on the 600cc. knew it had to be something Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baba Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 If cookie rides like yesterday and has same speed he could give tai a run for his money tonight I think he'll get the wildcard again. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 One more point about yesterday . One of the races , cant remember which one , there was an unsatisfactory start . The new rules prevent the riders returning to the pits . But what we had yesterday was all four riders sat at the pits gate and a posse of mechanics descended onto the track and all sorts of adjustments were then carried out . New ruling is pretty pointless then .There were plenty of people on this forum who stated just how pointless this rule was as soon as it was announced. Tatum had a regular whinge on TV about riders going back to the pits so they wrote a stupid rule to stop them going back to the pits but didn't do anything about speeding things up which was the real requirement. What it needed was a rule to say that after an unsatisfactory start a new time limit would start immediately...ideally something less than the standard 2 minutes...make it 1 minute or 30 seconds and let the riders do what they want in that time. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 There were plenty of people on this forum who stated just how pointless this rule was as soon as it was announced. Tatum had a regular whinge on TV about riders going back to the pits so they wrote a stupid rule to stop them going back to the pits but didn't do anything about speeding things up which was the real requirement. What it needed was a rule to say that after an unsatisfactory start a new time limit would start immediately...ideally something less than the standard 2 minutes...make it 1 minute or 30 seconds and let the riders do what they want in that time. The rule already does exist! 2 mins on straight away where there is a false start but no rider disqualified. Where a rider is disqualified there is a 1 minute gap, presumably for the TM to make a decision then the 2 minute time allowance comes on. Riders are not allowed to leave the track during this time unless track/fence repairs are required. There is also a rule that there should be no more than 5 minutes between heats including the 2 minute time allowance. How often does than happen with r/r riders in back to back heats? The previous week against Scunny, Dishington never once applied these rules. During one heat that had to be rerun the riders were sitting on their bikes at the pit gate, arms folded, bikes long since re-prepped and looking bored when he finally twigged about 2 minutes. You can image how us in the crowd felt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northyorksbear Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 The rule already does exist! 2 mins on straight away where there is a false start but no rider disqualified. Where a rider is disqualified there is a 1 minute gap, presumably for the TM to make a decision then the 2 minute time allowance comes on. Riders are not allowed to leave the track during this time unless track/fence repairs are required. There is also a rule that there should be no more than 5 minutes between heats including the 2 minute time allowance. How often does than happen with r/r riders in back to back heats? The previous week against Scunny, Dishington never once applied these rules. During one heat that had to be rerun the riders were sitting on their bikes at the pit gate, arms folded, bikes long since re-prepped and looking bored when he finally twigged about 2 minutes. You can image how us in the crowd felt. I realise this may be a bit radical, but they could have gone to the tapes without having a 2 minute warning 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 I realise this may be a bit radical, but they could have gone to the tapes without having a 2 minute warning Far too radical for today's primadonnas. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george.m Posted June 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 (edited) Here we go, just saved the cost of a winter conference in Tenerife. The new rule. This rule supersedes previous ones. Please delete them. (That's the button that says "Delete") Before the tapes go up, sit f4ckin' still - no fidgeting Don't even think about rolling - this applies especially to you two - Sarjeant & Cook When some numpty ignores this and there's a false start As soon as red lights come on, pull in clutch Sit on yer arse Do not stop engine Then, like a four year old learning to ride a bike, put feet on ground I said .... "Sit on yer arse!" Good! Now move one in foot in front of the other and push bike back to start line It goes without saying, you choose the shortest round back to start line Do not pass go, do not collect £200. Job done! Edited June 15, 2015 by george.m 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 The classic was last meeting Edinburgh were at Ashfield ,Branford got excluded for going into pits after a false start.Now the riders just get their mechanics to run in and out of the pits,what's the point!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 The classic was last meeting Edinburgh were at Ashfield ,Branford got excluded for going into pits after a false start.Now the riders just get their mechanics to run in and out of the pits,what's the point!!! Difference on that occasion was MacGregor applied the rules correctly and the riders got the message if they were in any doubt. Dishington on the other hand never applied any of the new rules, suggesting he never knew them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 Agree,the point I'm making is you still have same scenario as before if you are going to allow the mechanics time.Just put them on 1 min if it's a false start,at least it would save some time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lioness Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 Difference on that occasion was MacGregor applied the rules correctly and the riders got the message if they were in any doubt. Dishington on the other hand never applied any of the new rules, suggesting he never knew them. I think you are expecting too much MD. Dishington is still trying to figure out the old rules and I could swear he keeps looking for a man in black with a whistle on the centre green to make the decision for him 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 I think you are expecting too much MD. Dishington is still trying to figure out the old rules and I could swear he keeps looking for a man in black with a whistle on the centre green to make the decision for him Needs Macgregor at his a#se to tell him what to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 Needs Macgregor at his a#se to tell him what to do. Michael Max isn't usually slow at making a point from the centre green! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 Yeh Max is definitely the centre green Ref at Ashfield ,keeps the Ref informed if there is any anomalies concerning away riders!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 (edited) Agree it wasn't a classic but it looked busy to me. Presumably more Monarchs fans would have come through if Glasgow hadn't won on Friday but still a fair turn-out? Glad you agree about Sargeant. But again confused by referees differnet interpretation of the 'rules', which I still can't find in the rule book, and announcements. One week its announced you must stay stationery at the tapes before they go up or the race will be rerun. On sunday some riders moved and the race continued other races it got called back and at least 2 riders made cracking starts not having moved and they got called back as well. Causes arguments confusion amongst fans and the riders must be getting fed up not knowing what a refs going to do. Make it simple anything goes other than tape touching. I think all riders must stay stationary at the start but I don't have an issue with them anticipating it. If you are still but drop the clutch at exactly the right time and get a good start out of it fine. What happened yesterday was a very good example of what happens when you anticipate: In one ride Sarjeant got a flying start and in another he broke the tapes. The ambiguity doesn't help anyone and any decision made under the discretion of the bspa will always get accused of bias although they should use elite league officials for these decisions. My understanding is that this rule has been brought in to prevent a team gaining an unfair advantage due to a rider having an assessed average that is quite clearly wrong. The reason seargant doesn't have a proper average is because he has missed meetings due to doubling up and he should have had it a month ago. So this really doesn't have anything to do with kozza smith so it would be the right call. Speedy recovery to kozza that is more important Speedway updates site said he went through the tapes in heat 12, was that wrong? Sounds like present day rather than history or is that site wrong? The answer is to use someone who has no interest in any decision on whether to use discretion - preferably someone out of the sport altogether. That, sadly, is not going to happen and we will have the usual prejudiced call made by persons who will not be named and therefore take no responsibility. Shameful. Edited June 15, 2015 by Halifaxtiger 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotchopper Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 It's hardly shameful. You do realise that all the promoters vote in the management committee and could go on the committee themselves if they want to. If it was the massive advantage people seem to suggest they would all be lining up to be on the committee. I am willing to bet that when they ask for volunteers the majority of the room are all very quiet knowing how much of a poisoned chalice it is. In a perfect world all of the administrators would be neutral and I would prefer that but it would cost money that speedway doesn't have. That money has to be spent on rider development not administrators that everyone would just disagree with and have a go at anyway. All the promoters sign up to it and could propose a vote to change it. In fact they would have voted collectively to bring in the change to the rule that we are taking about. You haven't explained why they are wrong in this instance. The bspa and British speedway have lots of problems and in many areas get it wrong so I don't really want to defend them but to say this is shameful is just plain wrong. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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