Swc Final 2015

[customhouseregular]

see post 523

Thank you.

[DutchGrasstrack]

My photo's from an epic finale of the SWC here: http://www.baansportfansite.nl/nieuws/744/zweden-verbaasd-vriend-en-vijand-tijdens-de-swc-finale-in-vojens-.html

[ytsejam]

I like Kelvin, his technical knowledge is second to none. I think that's the only problem with the SWC week (Pearson overload)... once a week is generally enough.

 

Once a YEAR is more than enough of this shouty, full of himself, clown!!....as more and more people are saying that he spoils the programmes. Hopefully one day soon someone in charge of the broadcasts will realise that the chappie who does the Swedish league speedway is streets ahead of Mr Shouty when it comes to being a knowledgeable and PROFESSIONAL commentator, and kick Pearson out to where he belongs!!...i.e. as far away from commentary as possible!

[PHILIPRISING]

 

Once a YEAR is more than enough of this shouty, full of himself, clown!!....as more and more people are saying that he spoils the programmes. Hopefully one day soon someone in charge of the broadcasts will realise that the chappie who does the Swedish league speedway is streets ahead of Mr Shouty when it comes to being a knowledgeable and PROFESSIONAL commentator, and kick Pearson out to where he belongs!!...i.e. as far away from commentary as possible!

ALL those that employ both Kelvin and Nigel (Sky, BSI, Eurosport) rate them very highly and love what you call their shouty style so don't hold your breath... and your evidence that more and more people are saying that he spoils the programmes is? And whatever your opinion of Nigel as a commentator to suggest that he isn't knowledgeable about speedway is laughable. And not professional ... what does that mean?

[Mark]

ALL those that employ both Kelvin and Nigel (Sky, BSI, Eurosport) rate them very highly and love what you call their shouty style so don't hold your breath... and your evidence that more and more people are saying that he spoils the programmes is? And whatever your opinion of Nigel as a commentator to suggest that he isn't knowledgeable about speedway is laughable. And not professional ... what does that mean?

 

NIgel Pearson is very good as you can tell he loves the sport. The commentators on Polish speedway they get loud too.

[keepturningleft]

Blimey! - I believe I would now actually prefer a recorded, well edited programme to a live transmission for the same reasons other people have mentioned - the lack of the totally pointless and tedious interviews and a smooth flowing, delay free meeting.

 

Remember, the old World Of Sport coverage was never live except on odd occasions, and that was in major boom times.

[Wackie]

Personally found the Eurosport Player with no commentary, just the mics picking up the track announcer and pit discussions more enjoyable. Is it always like that, or was the lack of commentary due to it not being broadcast on TV live?

[Star Lady]

Wrong thread

Edited June 15, 2015 by Star Lady

[keepturningleft]

Was Ove Fundin there?

[PHILIPRISING]

Was Ove Fundin there?

NO

[TheReturn]

ALL those that employ both Kelvin and Nigel (Sky, BSI, Eurosport) rate them very highly and love what you call their shouty style so don't hold your breath... and your evidence that more and more people are saying that he spoils the programmes is? And whatever your opinion of Nigel as a commentator to suggest that he isn't knowledgeable about speedway is laughable. And not professional ... what does that mean?

 

I don't think anyone is questioning Kelvin, just Mr Shouty. It's possible to commentate on sport and still be interesting without shouting like a demented fool.

 

But whilst I would admit he is knowledgeable about aspects of who rides for who and history of speedway, he is not the amazing commentator some make him out to be. Yesterday prime example, he kept getting it wrong after each round of races, in fact he was so muddled at one point he got it right, then corrected himself to give out the wrong information (that each nation had had two rides, when he should have said each rider), he made that mistake a couple of times last night. The same commentator who called the wrong GP winner a couple of seasons back, the same commentator who failed to realise when his mate had won the GP series too until he saw the pictures of him celebrating.

 

We all make mistakes, but they are pretty big mistakes for a so called highly rated commentator.

 

But like we all know, speedway is job for boys. Anyway, I am off to play Mr Shouty Bingo....

 

'It's all very tight'

'He's gone square'

 

and new for 2015....

 

'Well, well, well'

[Terry]

I don't think anyone is questioning Kelvin, just Mr Shouty. It's possible to commentate on sport and still be interesting without shouting like a demented fool.

 

But whilst I would admit he is knowledgeable about aspects of who rides for who and history of speedway, he is not the amazing commentator some make him out to be. Yesterday prime example, he kept getting it wrong after each round of races, in fact he was so muddled at one point he got it right, then corrected himself to give out the wrong information (that each nation had had two rides, when he should have said each rider), he made that mistake a couple of times last night. The same commentator who called the wrong GP winner a couple of seasons back, the same commentator who failed to realise when his mate had won the GP series too until he saw the pictures of him celebrating.

 

We all make mistakes, but they are pretty big mistakes for a so called highly rated commentator.

 

But like we all know, speedway is job for boys. Anyway, I am off to play Mr Shouty Bingo....

 

'It's all very tight'

'He's gone square'

 

and new for 2015....

 

'Well, well, well'

 

..and not forgetting,

 

"Where did he find that from?"

"Get out of the way!"

"You can't take your eyes off this!"

 

I used to like Nigel, but I'm getting fed up of constantly turning the volume on my tv up and down.

[Trees]

I must admit sometimes when he shouts louder it isn't natural, it's almost like he has in the back of his mind that he must turn his volume/excitement up somehow, perhaps for the intros to future progs perhaps??

[RobMcCaffery]

Still no arguments just personal attacks. I didn't call You or anything You've said "dumb". Wrong is the word I've used. Your 40 years of watching speedway or You attending an event watched by 80000 people don't make You an expert. Also, I'd like to get more info about Your "academic studies". Did You study speedway in college or an uni? I gave You my arguments that are clearly noticeable in recent BSI-made events. You came back with nothing but insults. I won't call You dumb, though. Will see You as blind, having no class and being a poor choice for a partner in a meritorical conversation.

 

To those not knowing what PZM was responsible for in GP of Poland in Warsaw. Those were:

-providing a stadium,

-providing a tv coverage,

-providing race cards (they have failed at this printing only about 5000 of those and they were sold-out in about 2 hours leaving many fans dissapointed),

-providing an audience (selling and distributing tickets)

-providing storage for the tonnes of "mobile track"'s surface brought from the UK by lorries.

 

Putting down surface, state of it, extra starting machine was a duty of Olsen, a direct BSI's contractor.

 

I'm a Pole. Thanks for compliments regarding my English. I'm self-taught. Apprecieted, although it's fairly easy compared to Polish.

 

Almost forgot. Grats for The Swedes! Who'd think they'll win?

Now you promised to give up on this thread. How sad that we can't trust you to keep to your word.

 

Obviously you need things putting very, very simply.

 

If you believe that there is a plot to get at Polish Speedway by Britain, using BSI you are a fool.

If you believe British Speedway is responsible for and supports BSI you are an even greater fool.

If you believe that the reserve rule in the SWC was introduced to deny Poiand you are a grade 1 fool.

If you believe that the only thing that matters in speedway is Falubaz Zielona Gora then you are deluded.

If you think you are going to influence or persuade anyone in this forum of your demented views you are going to be very frustrated.

 

 

Hope those aren't too many words for you.

 

I see from Google Translate that a certain word in Polish is very similar to that in English - paranoja. Get help, for it can really screw up your life.

 

Now get out of my sight you stupid, stupid waste of space.

 

I can see why Zielona Gora's emblem is Mickey Mouse.......

 

The greatest sadness is that we have just witnessed one of the finest SWC/WTC finals of all-time. Instead of celebrating a shining example of how wonderful the sport can be we're having to deal with a prime example of some of the loud-mouthed low lifes that pollute it.

Edited June 16, 2015 by rmc

[Humphrey Appleby]

In one of previous posts You wrote something about communist past of my Country ,which is totally irrelevant (and yes, You know nothing about it too) because there were clubs and fans in UK in those times too and there's no communism in Poland for two decades. Later stated that rise of One Sport "made the situation even worse". I fail to see competition being worse than a monopoly. Monopoly slows progress and alters quality of available products while inflating costs and prices. Isn't Communism a dictatorship? One Sport doesn't have to overtake anything from BSI. They're lightyears ahead already and can provide it's own products. If someday One Sport's product will be more demanded than BSIs then its because of its quality not some conspiracy. With stagnant BSI this day is getting near. UK doesn't have to worry though. One Sport won't start banning british riders to hit BSI. They care about the future of speedway and do good job in promoting it.

 

It's comical to believe that BSI is somehow a British plot to damage Polish speedway, even if you consider a company ultimately owned by a multinational US corporation to be 'British'. They've indirectly done far more damage to domestic British speedway than any other country, and I certainly wouldn't be entirely sorry to see the back of them.

 

BSI is not really very competent, as I think this season has certainly demonstrated, but I don't see OneSport as being any better. They've benefitted from being able to exploit a cheaper cost base and focusing on a few popular countries, but their planning and running of events leaves a lot to be desired. How seriously can you take a 'national pairs' competition made up of riders from other countries?

 

You actually don't want competition between organisers in sports - history has shown it's extremely damaging for all concerned, and how is competition between BSI and OneSport actually financially benefit the sport? They're both in it for the expected profits, and little of it comes back to speedway.

 

The attempted bans were of course ridiculous, but the FIM should never have allowed the licensing of what are effectively competing competitions - spreading the sponsorship and television revenue even more thinly. Whilst BSI may be inept, I can perfectly understand their annoyance at having invested money on the back of what they thought was exclusive licensing agreement, only to find an FIM subsidiary licensing what is effectively a parallel GP system. If the FIM had issues with how BSI were running the SGP, they should have addressed that with them, possibly even re-tendering the contract.

 

The premier sports competitions should be collectively run by national speedway authorities for their own common good, even if they might want to contract the actual promotion to a professional organiser for a cut of the profits. In fact, unlike mainstream society, a communist approach is actually the way sport should be run, which is why major sports in the ultra-capitalist USA continue to be run along socialist lines.

 

With respect to the numbers of riders in the SWC teams, it's always a trade-off between favouring strength-in-depth and competitiveness. Generally the fewer the riders, the more competitive countries with less strength in depth will be, but it also allows more teams to compete on reasonable terms in what's supposed to be a World Cup. A true team competition would be run on test match lines with 7 or 8 rider sides, but then there would only be about 4 or 5 teams in the World Cup.

 

I also think it far more likely that BSI runs with four riders per team to save money, rather than any plot to diminish Poland's chances.

Edited June 16, 2015 by Humphrey Appleby

[Undercover Elephant]

One change this season which has helped the TV SGP/SWC programmes is the return of Steve Brandon-no longer combining a floor manager role with interviewing. He now alongside the interviews is cast as a pit side reporter and can give the commentary duo upto date info from the pits-probably us watching on Eurosport don`t get his full output which the world feed do get(Eurosport probably are showing the previous 4 races segment)

The product would be worse if Steve wasn't doing pit lane reports and interviews. No better choice

[The White Knight]

 

It's comical to believe that BSI is somehow a British plot to damage Polish speedway, even if you consider a company ultimately owned by a multinational US corporation to be 'British'. They've indirectly done far more damage to domestic British speedway than any other country, and I certainly wouldn't be entirely sorry to see the back of them.

 

BSI is not really very competent, as I think this season has certainly demonstrated, but I don't see OneSport as being any better. They've benefitted from being able to exploit a cheaper cost base and focusing on a few popular countries, but their planning and running of events leaves a lot to be desired. How seriously can you take a 'national pairs' competition made up of riders from other countries?

 

You actually don't want competition between organisers in sports - history has shown it's extremely damaging for all concerned, and how is competition between BSI and OneSport actually financially benefit the sport? They're both in it for the expected profits, and little of it comes back to speedway.

 

The attempted bans were of course ridiculous, but the FIM should never have allowed the licensing of what are effectively competing competitions - spreading the sponsorship and television revenue even more thinly. Whilst BSI may be inept, I can perfectly understand their annoyance at having invested money on the back of what they thought was exclusive licensing agreement, only to find an FIM subsidiary licensing what is effectively a parallel GP system. If the FIM had issues with how BSI were running the SGP, they should have addressed that with them, possibly even re-tendering the contract.

 

The premier sports competitions should be collectively run by national speedway authorities for their own common good, even if they might want to contract the actual promotion to a professional organiser for a cut of the profits. In fact, unlike mainstream society, a communist approach is actually the way sport should be run, which is why major sports in the ultra-capitalist USA continue to be run along socialist lines.

 

With respect to the numbers of riders in the SWC teams, it's always a trade-off between favouring strength-in-depth and competitiveness. Generally the fewer the riders, the more competitive countries with less strength in depth will be, but it also allows more teams to compete on reasonable terms in what's supposed to be a World Cup. A true team competition would be run on test match lines with 7 or 8 rider sides, but then there would only be about 4 or 5 teams in the World Cup.

 

I also think it far more likely that BSI runs with four riders per team to save money, rather than any plot to diminish Poland's chances.

The problem is that the Customer (Supporter) pays to see Four Riders in a Heat and not Three. Marek Cieslak (Poland Team Manager - I hope I spelt his name right) had it right when asked about no reserves he said "Stupid" - I totally agree with him.

 

If I understand your last sentence correctly Humphrey - the sooner BSI is history the better. As is known - I have never supported their (BSI) involvement in Speedway anyway.

[Humphrey Appleby]

The problem is that the Customer (Supporter) pays to see Four Riders in a Heat and not Three. Marek Cieslak (Poland Team Manager - I hope I spelt his name right) had it right when asked about no reserves he said "Stupid" - I totally agree with him.

 

I completely agree that reserves should be allowed in the SWC. That they aren't though, is much more likely to be down to a cost saving measure than a plot to neutralise Poland.

[The White Knight]

I completely agree that reserves should be allowed in the SWC. That they aren't though, is much more likely to be down to a cost saving measure than a plot to neutralise Poland.

I hope you are wrong - but - I think you are right. :sad:

[StephenMiller]

Is anyone able to send me a copy of the meeting? Just returned from holiday to find my sky box crashed and failed to record....!

 

I'm quite happy to pay for a blank dvd and postage if someone is willing to help

 

Thanks