Swc Final 2015

[iris123]

 

Time and time again, we get posts from people bellyaching about rain offs. This is Speedway, you take your chance. You choose to travel to watch Speedway, in renound wet climates.

 

You lost out? Tough Shi!t

Dyou want some?Dyou want some?

[Ghostwalker]

Well if it was slashing it down at 1640 which I was there and the only water I saw was coming out the lorry that was watering it and not out of the sky

 

his post is time stamped at 17.40 local time so he probably just meant 16.40 UK time.

 

tr3mm0r

Why do think Sunday is the official reserve day?

Because the teams and staff and etc already are on scene.

That means that they don't have to go back and forward to somewhere else which would take allot of time and which would cost allot of money.

Then you want it in the middle of the week to avoid clash with PL-leagues but your suggestion

will cause clashes with other leagues so you just want to push the problem onto somebody else.

[tellboy]

 

Time and time again, we get posts from people bellyaching about rain offs. This is Speedway, you take your chance. You choose to travel to watch Speedway, in renound wet climates.

 

You lost out? Tough Shi!t

While I think Haza has gone about his comments in the wrong way.I don't think your last comment is appropriate neither.He may have spent a few hundred pounds and all you could say is tough sh*t.

Edited June 13, 2015 by tellboy

[5 FURROW]

Time and time again, we get posts from people bellyaching about rain offs. This is Speedway, you take your chance. You choose to travel to watch Speedway, in renound wet climates.

 

You lost out? Tough Shi!t

What do you term as a wet climate Vojens Thursday 20 degrees Gorican rained off a few years ago Leszno World Cup rained off and as for saying tough rubbish pathetic comment Edited June 13, 2015 by 5 FURROW

[racers and royals]

Cheers. I stand corrected. (Though i believe it all was/should be consulted and the decissions were made long before the official press announcements). Think i'm a bit too emotional because as most of the Polish fans i see the league much more prestigious than SWC or individual competition. What i read in the FIM SWC regulations (found when trying to confirm what You typed) is this: "To provide for postponements that may be necessary, for example because of weather conditions, the FMNR or the organiser must declare one restaging date, with the exception of the Final event, where two dates must be declared.[/]". So if the weather is rubbish tomorrow and the event gets postponed we will lose the whole leg in Polish leagues and SWC(which will be moved to monday). I wonder then what will be the total cost of this in comparisson with the "value" of the SWC event.

I presume you are based in the UK-what if you were flying home next sunday(21st) to go all the way to Rzeszow v Zielona Gora to find out that on Wednesday last that they have moved it to Wednesday 22nd July ??

[TheReturn]

He may have spent a few hundred pounds and all you could say is tough sh*t.

Well basically it is. Good planning means most fans will get to see it tomorrow. Bad planning is, well like he said, tough rubbish.

[racers and royals]

I'd be unhappy but i'd still get my doze of best polish speedway on my way back watching other teams. Tomorrow they're postponing wholeekstraliga containing 8 teams. Fans of 8 teams (Basically 10000-12000 people per match) will see no speedway at all. That is sad.

Same as the whole Easter Polish Programme was cancelled because of the weather !!!!

[allthegearbutnaeidea]

You're plain wrong here. After they cancelled today's event they instantly sent a message to Polish Federation asking to postpone tomorrow's matches. If SWC happened today polish sunday events wouldn't be affected at all.

exactly, but it didnt happen today so there is nothing that can be done so stop moaning, the world cup is a once per year event

[RobMcCaffery]

I'd be unhappy but i'd still get my doze of best polish speedway on my way back watching other teams. Tomorrow they're postponing wholeekstraliga containing 8 teams. Fans of 8 teams (Basically 10000-12000 people per match) will see no speedway at all. That is sad.

Poland chose to schedule a league programme the day after the SWC - nobody forced them to. Yes, eight teams get no matches in Poland tomorrow but they will - the programme will be raced in full, just on another date. In the UK our league programme has been wrecked for years by the needs of BSI, Poland and now One Sport are getting in on the act.

 

You get to wait a while to watch your matches, but your problems are really quite small in the overall scheme of things and taking it out on British fans here and BSI, an organisation that has little respect from them either is totally pointless. You get to wait a while, we're fighting to survive, as your former opponents at Czestochowa will know only too well.....

Edited June 13, 2015 by rmc

[tocha]

Hopefully will be repeated on Quest Freeview 37 tomorrow.

At present it doesn't appear on Quest's TV schedule.

Edited June 13, 2015 by tocha

[SCB]

Can't change the weather but can change the dates. Instead of spending 3 days in a hotel in Vojens missing a league's leg and therefore even more money still not being sure if the event will take place anyway (it can be raining tomorrow and on monday) change the rule of those 2 additional days into a free choice of the next one. Riders coming back the other day won't financially lose as much. Still what prestige SWC is? 8 countries out of 250. 2/3 of them are levels above the rest even with those silly rules that weaken them. There is not much money in it as well. Same with SGP where ending on 8th place is actually spending more than it's worth. No wonder Lagutas didn't even bother.

So rather than have it the next day when fans have travelled from around the World, you want it tobe re-run at a later date meaning people have to go back again?

 

You also seem to be of the opinion British Speedway is a friend of BSIs and vice-versa. Trust me, thats not true. The GPs have been bad for British Speedway taking the Friday and Saturday race nights that British Speedway used to have before the GPs come along.

[RobMcCaffery]

Can't change the weather but can change the dates. Instead of spending 3 days in a hotel in Vojens missing a league's leg and therefore even more money still not being sure if the event will take place anyway (it can be raining tomorrow and on monday) change the rule of those 2 additional days into a free choice of the next one. Riders coming back the other day won't financially lose as much. Still what prestige SWC is? 8 countries out of 250. 2/3 of them are levels above the rest even with those silly rules that weaken them. There is not much money in it as well. Same with SGP where ending on 8th place is actually spending more than it's worth. No wonder Lagutas didn't even bother.

It's the weather that's caused the problem this weekend!

 

You may get the largest crowds in speedway as a legacy of your communist past (and as a result sights and behaviour at stadia that thankfully we would only see at football) but that does NOT mean that the world of speedway revolves around the Ekstraliga. The SWC is the modern development of a tournament that has existed for over fifty years and has a fine pedigree, the World Team Cup. It is an official FIM event. If we are looking for lame, irrelevant events with no official status we need look no further than One Sport's Best Pairs.

 

As for the Lagutas, since you are such an expert on speedway I am astonished you're not aware of the dispute between them and their own federation regarding payment for racing in the SWC.

 

Now we get it that you are passionate about Falubaz and the league they race in,. but there is more to the sport globally than your own selfish needs.

[June01]

Fans of 8 teams (Basically 10000-12000 people per match) will see no speedway at all. That is sad.

Well, they could always watch the SWC.

[Wackie]

Do we have Poland's version of Starman on here?

[RobMcCaffery]

Hahaha. Don't make me laugh. Truth is british speedway is dying and the british company running official FIM events is so incompetent that doesn't even consider having spare starting tape a necessity when organising SGP event with 50k on stadium audience and a multitude in front of TVs worldwide. Company which start to prepare a "mobile track" requiring 3 days to settle properly just few hours before the 1st heat when they had the stadium for five days for themselves(Warsaw). Even if it was Olsen's fault, their contractor, BSI did nothing to make him suffer any consequences. This directly indicates that international speedway is ruled by a clique of people caring only about themselves. Creating the rule about SGP riders being banned from taking part in SEC to secure the income and destroy competition in a way one should be ashamed of. Company that indirectly tries to force their ill politics on foreign federations. BSI needs You. Frankly i'm happy with You supporting them so they'll keep doing what they do . Hope You'll enjoy british speedway quality on par with latvian and SGP with riders ranked like the ones in polish PLŻ (Bomber) will suffice to keep You entertained. Yet You talk some bull**** about commies. Don't make me laugh.

You really don't have a clue. I've seldom seen such ill-informed comments on this forum. Let me put you straight on a few things that you have incompetently failed to grasp:

 

1 - It's not a fight between Britain and Poland. BSI may be British but they have nothing to do with British Speedway and are thoroughly disliked by many in this country and work often in total conflict with the needs of British Speedway. You really do have a lot to learn. Try getting information rather than making childish assumptions. If BSI are incompetent then it's nothing to do with British Speedway so your clear attack on us is totally foolish. we are as angry as anyone else over what happened in Warsaw and just as disgusted so trying to score cheap points against Britain as it shows just how blinkered and ill-informed you are.

 

2 - The FIM has a hell of a lot to answer for, but to Britain a damn sight more than Poland since their decision making has damaged the sport in this country for the past 30 years, ever since the World Championship was transferred from stadia such as Wembley, Ullevi and Katowice to a field in Germany and other such disasters in the 1980s. Do some reading because I suspect you weren't around to know about it personally given your immature attitude.

 

3 - I do not support BSI. Read this forum properly and you will see my opposition to the Grand Prixs over the years and the damage BSI and the FIM have inflicted on speedway in this country. Before we had nearly 40 tracks in our top two divisions with a large number operating on Friday and Saturday nights. The sport thrived and was making money.

 

After over two decades of the SGP we have barely 20 tracks in those top two divisions with just one in the upper league racing on Saturdays and just a couple on Fridays. Now when the SGP runs we can't. We don't have a Sunday afterwards to make our money - we are confined to midweek dates largely. Tracks used to run full seasons from mid-March to the end of October, often staging over 30 meetings a season. Now you're lucky to see more than 14-15.

 

BSI tried bringing their great ideas into domestic British Speedway. They failed appallingly at Reading, which is now long gone.

 

You think that people in Britain love BSI, the FIM and the SGP? Many enjoy Cardiff and a few the other meetings. But the cost has been enormous.

 

The rise of One Sport, clearly designed to ultimately take over the SGP and SWC from BSI and run both in Polish interests has only made the situation worse with yet more weekends being taken up by their second-rate tournaments. They pay though, like the Polish League does for now (well, usually...see Czestochowa again) so riders will naturally wish to ride in them irrespective of their flimsy status. Riders go where the money is.

 

4 - I have been fortunate enough to have seen many years of speedway racing - this is my 45th season, and I've seen the good and the bad. I've sat in 80,000 crowds at Wembley, I've seen pretty much every track that staged speedway in this country and a fair number outside. I've written professionally on the sport and I've commentated on it on TV both in Britain and in several other countries, especially regarding ice racing. I watched fine Polish riders fighting to be able to ride over here - men like Zenon Plech, Edward Jancarz, Roman Jankowski, Marek Cieslak and many more who earned great respect and affection over here.

 

Now when I see Polish speedway I see 'ultras' on terracing, behaving like football fans. I see greed and corruption. I see nothing of the honour and respect that Polish Speedway once quite rightly earned.

 

Under the communist system speedway was encouraged in several Polish towns and cities at the expense of football and it shows today with football-sized crowds and behaviour at your tracks.

 

Now like spoilt brats you whinge about missing a race day and stupidly assume that there is some great British plot against Polish Speedway with BSI our agents. Infantile rubbish. Your comments on the absence of reserves in the SWC would disgrace an idiot.

 

I don't begrudge Poland its success. Once the system changed and allowed the flow of equipment and money into your version of the sport you predictably finally took your place on the world stage but now, to be honest I'm quite sick of Polish Speedway. In fact I'm quite sick of international speedway, although I do enjoy the Swedish League which manages to feature top talent without the brutality of the Polish version.

 

The BSPA are far from the sharpest tools on the block but I still enjoy my speedway here. Many big names may no longer race here but I can go to a meeting and still feel safe. We have deep problems but as long as I can see four well-matched guys race in a fair environment I'm happy. Some of my happiest times in the sport have been working at the lowest levels, watching families fight to earn their kids a place in a sport they love. It's a healthy, purer form of sport than the one that it's mutated into in your country.

 

You have a hell of a lot to learn, now how about spending less time shooting your mouth of and instead listening and learning?

[The Doctor...]

 

Now like spoilt brats you whinge about missing a race day and stupidly assume that there is some great British plot against Polish Speedway with BSI our agents. Infantile rubbish. Your comments on the absence of reserves in the SWC would disgrace an idiot.

 

You have a hell of a lot to learn, now how about spending less time shooting your mouth of and instead listening and learning?

 

Cracking post rmc - tr3mm0r clearly loves and supports a team close to my heart thanks to my trips abroad.......but...

 

His or hers view slightly unravels in my eyes due to the fact he or she doesnt live in the country. Its like me getting the arse when Tuesday night speedway gets called off in Sweden.

[PHILIPRISING]

Wall of text You said i should "listen to and learn from" but what You wrote is:

-assumptions and prejudice,

-false statements,

-facts that are facts only in Your head,

-little bit of history and Your experience.

 

HOW about your false statements and facts ...

 

It was the PZM not BSI who were contracted with Speed Sport to provide the track in Warsaw. Starting tapes were available, it was the actual gate that malfunctioned. Nothing to do with BSI.The track was laid as soon as the stadium was available days before the event and not an hour before the start. Again, nothing to do with BSI.

 

The dispute over SGP riders riding in the SEC was between the FIM and FIM Europe.

 

 

[Star Lady]

 

 

I'm done with this thread.

 

Take care

 

 

Deep joy

[racers and royals]

I am a bit surprised that British Eurosport/Quest have not yet decided to show the final at 2.30pm-"delayed live" on Quest - something I and I suspect others would be happy with . I could certainly keep away from any score info for 90 mins from 1pm.

If they don`t then the only other option -I`m not prepared to wait until 7pm !! will be to watch on a Polish stream at 1pm -here are some places to look for links

http://soccer-live.pl/transmisje.php?id=motorsport

http://www.meczyki.pl/

http://livelooker.com/en/tv,7,speedway.html

If anyone does not normally watch streams-some advice

 

One suggestion would be to Google Sopcast and download latest version-then follow link on Soccer-live.

Otherwise click on the other links-DO NOT download anything if prompted-you should be able to click on the small crosses to eventually clear and be able to go to full screen-Stream quality is excellent these days.

[iris123]

It is also shown live here,although I suspect it might be blocked for people outside Germany

 

http://www.speedweek.com/bahnsport

 

The postponement has also caused problems for the local Bundesliga meeting with no Lindbäck + Lindgren.Rasmus Jensen + Rene Deddens been brought in at short notice.But the last time this happened when the Esbjerg WC quali was put off until the sunday the riders brought in didn't have their scores included in the final standings and Brokstedt lost.Most of the crowd unfortunately were not informed of this until Smoli(who else) went on the micro at the end.......another case of the promoter keeping the fans in the dark

Edited June 14, 2015 by iris123