Swc Race-off

[iris123]

I think Tai is spot on with his assessment. You only have to look at Poland. Their world cup team is comprised of young riders and they've done brilliantly. Partly due to natural talent, but also because they're given more support to be able to end up where they are. I thought Lambert was great throughout the competition, but where are all the other young British riders?

It is my opinion that we will have to wait about 6 years or so until the likes of Wajknecht and Kyle Bickley etc are ready to support tai and Robert Lambert.Then with any luck we might have a team to challenge for success.Sadly I don't think Garrity or Howarth etc are going to be able to do that,so it is a waiting game

[PHILIPRISING]

I think Tai is spot on with his assessment. You only have to look at Poland. Their world cup team is comprised of young riders and they've done brilliantly. Partly due to natural talent, but also because they're given more support to be able to end up where they are. I thought Lambert was great throughout the competition, but where are all the other young British riders?

WAS chatting to Joe Parsons of Monster Energy for a while yesterday morning. He now lives in Torun and was telling us how the junior riders there, and at other tracks in Poland, have full use of the stadium all week, have all equipment supplied free of charge, mechanics permanently on hand... it costs them nothing.

 

Sadly that just isn't feasible or possible in the UK. And it's no wonder that so many kids aspire to becoming a speedway rider in Poland when the pay scale is around $1,000 a point. And in many cases that is after a signing-on fee and other bonuses or guarantees.

 

And you only have to look at SGP riders' bikes in the paddock to see where the bulk of sponsorship comes from. The Danes do pretty well in their own country - Pedersen with Moldow for example - but even they have Polish companies on board, too.

 

It used to be said that riders needed to race in the UK to become accustomed to all sorts of tracks to further their careers. Now they don't because the continental circuits, where they earn a living, are nothing like Lakeside or Wolverhampton.

[customhouseregular]

How the times have changed.

[mothorsen]

Everything went as expected. Tai is on fire, and short of injury, he is an absolute favourite for world champion. However the SWC is a team effort, where Poland and Denmark have the best riders overall. The Russians should be banned from next years SWC. Arrogant and humiliating behaviour. But it'll be a blast tonight. My predictions are DK, PL, AUS and SWE.

[Undercover Elephant]

with this news I wonder if there's still anybody out there who still thinks he's Australian.

 

I do! No English person says the word "heaps" as much as an Aussie Tai does! He's been working on his starts "heaps"!!

FIM quick to act on this one...still waiting to hear what they are doing about the 16 riders that refused to race in Warsaw!

I'd imagine Putin will be told about this and the people handing down the penalty will pay the price!crazy decision from a crazy FIFA esq establishment

[iris123]

WAS chatting to Joe Parsons of Monster Energy for a while yesterday morning. He now lives in Torun and was telling us how the junior riders there, and at other tracks in Poland, have full use of the stadium all week, have all equipment supplied free of charge, mechanics permanently on hand... it costs them nothing.

 

Sadly that just isn't feasible or possible in the UK. And it's no wonder that so many kids aspire to becoming a speedway rider in Poland when the pay scale is around $1,000 a point. And in many cases that is after a signing-on fee and other bonuses or guarantees.

 

And you only have to look at SGP riders' bikes in the paddock to see where the bulk of sponsorship comes from. The Danes do pretty well in their own country - Pedersen with Moldow for example - but even they have Polish companies on board, too.

 

It used to be said that riders needed to race in the UK to become accustomed to all sorts of tracks to further their careers. Now they don't because the continental circuits, where they earn a living, are nothing like Lakeside or Wolverhampton.

That is only what some have been saying on here for a decade at least

[TheReturn]

WAS chatting to Joe Parsons of Monster Energy for a while yesterday morning. He now lives in Torun and was telling us how the junior riders there, and at other tracks in Poland, have full use of the stadium all week, have all equipment supplied free of charge, mechanics permanently on hand... it costs them nothing.

 

Sadly that just isn't feasible or possible in the UK. And it's no wonder that so many kids aspire to becoming a speedway rider in Poland when the pay scale is around $1,000 a point. And in many cases that is after a signing-on fee and other bonuses or guarantees.

 

And you only have to look at SGP riders' bikes in the paddock to see where the bulk of sponsorship comes from. The Danes do pretty well in their own country - Pedersen with Moldow for example - but even they have Polish companies on board, too.

 

It used to be said that riders needed to race in the UK to become accustomed to all sorts of tracks to further their careers. Now they don't because the continental circuits, where they earn a living, are nothing like Lakeside or Wolverhampton.

 

So is it feasible something like this could ever be made available to British kids? Would the new Belle Vue have all week or even 2/3 days track access? Is there a way the BSPA could apply for lottery funding to develop British youngsters?

[Grand Central]

WAS chatting to Joe Parsons of Monster Energy for a while yesterday morning. He now lives in Torun and was telling us how the junior riders there, and at other tracks in Poland, have full use of the stadium all week, have all equipment supplied free of charge, mechanics permanently on hand... it costs them nothing.

 

Sadly that just isn't feasible or possible in the UK.

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Mind you, I doubt that it is feasible anywhere in in the Western world where they take Health and Safety seriously.

 

The number of licenced and fully trained professionals needed to be on hand 'all week' to do this safely is likely to be quite prohibitive.

 

Whilst I could guess that the Torun promotion are able to draw on their 'connections' for many aspects of 'security', management and the like.

I am not sure how seven day a week, paramedic, ambulance and doctors facilities can be maintained to, shall we say, 'British' standards.

 

I imagine that the Parsons anecdotal evidence has to be taken with a huge portion of Sodium Chloride.

Or will come with large scale caveats, if the exact details of arrangements are looked into, in proper detail.

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Edited June 13, 2015 by Grand Central

[racers and royals]

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Mind you, I doubt that it is feasible anywhere in in the Western world where they take Health and Safety seriously.

 

The number of licenced and fully trained professionals needed to be on hand 'all week' to do this safely is likely to be quite prohibitive.

 

Whilst I could guess that the Torun promotion are able to draw on their 'connections' for many aspects of 'security', management and the like.

I am not sure how seven day a week, paramedic, ambulance and doctors facilities can be maintained to, shall we say, 'British' standards.

 

I imagine that the Parsons anecdotal evidence has to be taken with a huge portion of Sodium Chloride.

Or will come with large scale caveats, if the exact details of arrangements are looked into, in proper detail.

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Joe Parsons is correct-Phil Morris was in Poland and saw kids come straight from school in their uniform-get changed, the bikes were already being warmed up. they jumped on them and practised -The clubs each have licensed trainers and the kids have to pass " riding competence " tests before being allowed to ride for their teams.

[Grand Central]

Joe Parsons is correct-Phil Morris was in Poland and saw kids come straight from school in their uniform-get changed, the bikes were already being warmed up. they jumped on them and practised -The clubs each have licensed trainers and the kids have to pass " riding competence " tests before being allowed to ride for their teams.

 

So a properly arranged session.

As I suspected.

 

WAS chatting to Joe Parsons of Monster Energy for a while yesterday morning. He now lives in Torun and was telling us how the junior riders there, and at other tracks in Poland, have full use of the stadium all week, have all equipment supplied free of charge, mechanics permanently on hand... it costs them nothing.

 

It was the week, always available sweeping statement that was unlikely.

[racers and royals]

 

So a properly arranged session.

As I suspected.

 

 

It was the week, always available sweeping statement that was unlikely.

Properly arranged session ??-Monday-Friday every week.

[Bavarian]

Joe Parsons is correct-Phil Morris was in Poland and saw kids come straight from school in their uniform-get changed, the bikes were already being warmed up. they jumped on them and practised -The clubs each have licensed trainers and the kids have to pass " riding competence " tests before being allowed to ride for their teams.

this is nothing new. It was done this way ever since the 1950s in all of the old communist block countries. It is the same system in Russia still. The kids need not have the money to own bikes and equipment. No need to, it is provided by the clubs. And most of the senior riders in Russia to this day still only ever use Club owwned machinery. All the bikes are bought by their clubs and maintained by the club mechanics.

[eM_Pe]

WAS chatting to Joe Parsons of Monster Energy for a while yesterday morning. He now lives in Torun and was telling us how the junior riders there, and at other tracks in Poland, have full use of the stadium all week, have all equipment supplied free of charge, mechanics permanently on hand... it costs them nothing.

 

Sadly that just isn't feasible or possible in the UK. And it's no wonder that so many kids aspire to becoming a speedway rider in Poland when the pay scale is around $1,000 a point. And in many cases that is after a signing-on fee and other bonuses or guarantees.

 

And you only have to look at SGP riders' bikes in the paddock to see where the bulk of sponsorship comes from. The Danes do pretty well in their own country - Pedersen with Moldow for example - but even they have Polish companies on board, too.

 

It used to be said that riders needed to race in the UK to become accustomed to all sorts of tracks to further their careers. Now they don't because the continental circuits, where they earn a living, are nothing like Lakeside or Wolverhampton.

I's sorry to say that but this utopian vision is strongly false. In most Polish speedway cities kids must rely on their parents' money to practice. Yes, some clubs are helping them quite a bit (say, Leszno), but some of the others are not friendly at all. Torun is a funny example because they have plenty of kids doing mini-speedway, but once they grow and pass the "riding competence" test, they usually get forgotten and vanish. Pawel Przedpelski who comes from Torun is now one of the top junior riders in the world but his beginnings weren't as you'd expect. Due to other riders' injuries he was forced to ride for their team and, to everybody's surprise, once given a good bike he started scoring like mad.

 

We seem not to have the issue with noise in the neighbourhoods that's harming some British tracks. But don't be silly. It's not that kids just show up at the track and take a top class bike without any supervision or medical care. And speedway equipment costs the same, whether you're Polish or British, and the average Polish gross salary of £680 is much below what you need to practice this sport. So yes, the clubs are trying to help these kids. But don't think that an anonymous boy could just one day show up at the track and have everything handed to him on a silver plate.

[phillipsr]

does anyone know if this is being re-played?

[racers and royals]

does anyone know if this is being re-played?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YstcQkBHz9s

[PHILIPRISING]

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I imagine that the Parsons anecdotal evidence has to be taken with a huge portion of Sodium Chloride.

Or will come with large scale caveats, if the exact details of arrangements are looked into, in proper detail.

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WHY anecdotal? He lives there, sees it with his own eyes. In Poland the clubs are exactly that, no different to football here. Players (riders) can and do train every day unless away riding elsewhere.

 

The clubs employ full-time coaches, mechanics, etc. Nothing anecdotal about that... nor the pay rates.

[Trees]

this is nothing new. It was done this way ever since the 1950s in all of the old communist block countries. It is the same system in Russia still. The kids need not have the money to own bikes and equipment. No need to, it is provided by the clubs. And most of the senior riders in Russia to this day still only ever use Club owwned machinery. All the bikes are bought by their clubs and maintained by the club mechanics.

 

Just as it was in the 50s here ....