graeme624 Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 Surely the pressure presently being put on the likes of Nick Morris,Josh Grajczonek,Steve Lawson,Steve Worrall etc to provide guest cover for injured or unavailable riders in both Elite and Premier leagues at present is unsustainable and unfair to their own clubs. The chance of them picking up injuries themselves is ,by the number of bookings they are getting ,very high. They are professional and have to make a living but a limit to how many times they guest for the same club is surely sensible. Imagine these four riders are out through injury - watch how many teams struggle to find adequate replacements.The present rider shortage in the UK is at breaking point at the moment.Lets not make it worse by overburdening the fit riders who are left. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comet49 Posted June 5, 2015 Report Share Posted June 5, 2015 Think u mean Richard Lawson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted June 5, 2015 Report Share Posted June 5, 2015 Make hay while the sun shines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graeme624 Posted June 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2015 Think u mean Richard Lawson Thanks for correcting my slip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted June 7, 2015 Report Share Posted June 7, 2015 Surely the pressure presently being put on the likes of Nick Morris,Josh Grajczonek,Steve Lawson,Steve Worrall etc to provide guest cover for injured or unavailable riders in both Elite and Premier leagues at present is unsustainable and unfair to their own clubs. The chance of them picking up injuries themselves is ,by the number of bookings they are getting ,very high. They are professional and have to make a living but a limit to how many times they guest for the same club is surely sensible. Imagine these four riders are out through injury - watch how many teams struggle to find adequate replacements.The present rider shortage in the UK is at breaking point at the moment.Lets not make it worse by overburdening the fit riders who are left. And the alternative is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyretrax Posted June 7, 2015 Report Share Posted June 7, 2015 (edited) And the alternative is? A squad system. Oh wait there is not enough riders to do that. Edited June 7, 2015 by tyretrax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted June 7, 2015 Report Share Posted June 7, 2015 A squad system. Oh wait there is not enough riders to do that. No there is not, but it would be helpful in cutting down on Guest Riders/ Rider Replacement if the Elite moved to one night per week racing. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted June 7, 2015 Report Share Posted June 7, 2015 There isn't a shortage of speedway riders. A squad system would work fine. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scaramanga Posted June 7, 2015 Report Share Posted June 7, 2015 its the system we use and we dont have any other so just get on with it just like us doing overtime at work There isn't a shortage of speedway riders. A squad system would work fine. a shortage of riders up to standard and eligable to race if you want to try and say theres plenty of poor riders willing to take prem league places and devalue the sport even more 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted June 7, 2015 Report Share Posted June 7, 2015 its the system we use and we dont have any other so just get on with it just like us doing overtime at work a shortage of riders up to standard and eligable to race if you want to try and say theres plenty of poor riders willing to take prem league places and devalue the sport even more British speedway isn't very good I don't know if you've noticed? It's not devaluing the sport it's a fact. British only reserves is a good starting point for one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadders Posted June 8, 2015 Report Share Posted June 8, 2015 The answer is 5 or 6 man teams, maybe one or two less heats and reduced admission 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graeme624 Posted June 8, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2015 The answer is 5 or 6 man teams, maybe one or two less heats and reduced admission Yes good suggestion - a reduction from 7 to 6 team members would be a move in the right direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudflaps Posted June 8, 2015 Report Share Posted June 8, 2015 is the daft BSPA rule still in place that only 2 EL riders from each team are allowed to double up? complete and utter tosh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigeddiechek Posted June 8, 2015 Report Share Posted June 8, 2015 The answer is 5 or 6 man teams, maybe one or two less heats and reduced admission That's a pretty decent idea, Shads. Cut costs, but still have a quality meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadders Posted June 8, 2015 Report Share Posted June 8, 2015 (edited) That's a pretty decent idea, Shads. Cut costs, but still have a quality meeting. You're gonna get the traditionalists that'll throw their hands up in horror, but something drastic needs to be done to save British speedway. No good tinkering around the edges, be bold. The Danes have the right idea, 5 man teams, 14 heats Edited June 8, 2015 by Shads 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted June 9, 2015 Report Share Posted June 9, 2015 You're gonna get the traditionalists that'll throw their hands up in horror, but something drastic needs to be done to save British speedway. No good tinkering around the edges, be bold. The Danes have the right idea, 5 man teams, 14 heats I bet you didn't expect me to agree with you Shads - but I do. Only make it 13 Heats. Happiness is 40-38. :approve: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scaramanga Posted June 9, 2015 Report Share Posted June 9, 2015 British speedway isn't very good I don't know if you've noticed? It's not devaluing the sport it's a fact. British only reserves is a good starting point for one. british only reserves has been tried before and guess what it didnt work That's a pretty decent idea, Shads. Cut costs, but still have a quality meeting. jenga has actually been saying this for about 2 years now go back to 13 heats and proper 2nd half's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulS Posted June 10, 2015 Report Share Posted June 10, 2015 Heat 15 is the big climax (like last Sunday, when the Diamonds at least had a chance to win, albeit the 5-1 went to the visitors). I will often watch second half 'races' but I wouldn't want them to trample on watching the pros for 15 heats - not 13!! british only reserves has been tried before and guess what it didnt work jenga has actually been saying this for about 2 years now go back to 13 heats and proper 2nd half's Who will turn out in these proper second halves? More often than not the development riders do four laps and then all four lights are on to signify the end of the meeting. It can only help speedway to give track time to developing riders but let's please keep 15 races from the pro's first. Remember also that one of the attractions of live speedway is getting lots of professional races for your £16. Watching developing riders should be a SUPPLEMENT, not a REPLACEMENT for heats 14-15. It's a big difference between watching your PL team of pro riders trying to get vital points as opposed to exchanging opinions on which development rider seems to have the pace to step up in the next few years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadders Posted June 10, 2015 Report Share Posted June 10, 2015 (edited) british only reserves has been tried before and guess what it didnt work It was working for Rye House & Mildenhall (Boxall & Armstrong), but guess what, they weren't represented on the BSPA committee, so it was scrapped mid season, because it wasn't working for their teams jenga has actually been saying this for about 2 years now go back to 13 heats and proper 2nd half'sI must've missed that amongst all the usual trolling nonsense Edited June 10, 2015 by Shads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topsoil Posted June 10, 2015 Report Share Posted June 10, 2015 Reducing teams to six men would help, but I wouldn't reduce the number of heats, I'm sure there are formulas out there for 15 heats with six men teams. To try and introduce more British riders into the sport I would then add a rule that every team must have a junior team of sorts. The MDL and NJL are excellent starting places for young riders. I would expand that nationwide. A meeting with 15 heats and 6 junior races, 21 in total is a decent night entertainment. Even add a couple of "second half racing" if you like, giving riders a chance to try out equipment or give riders who are struggling more track time. As long as there are no long hold-ups for injuries there should be no reason why you can't fit that into two hours or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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