Scrap The Controversial Heat 10 Rule!

[BWitcher]

 

A speedway version of Duckworth-Lewis is what's needed...

 

That would be hilarious!

 

Could you imagine the thread for that... given that a simple calculation such as averages is misunderstood.

[cityrebel]

If you need the Ht 10 rule ,then give the fans a refund of 1/3 of entrance fee on the way out.!! Judging by last there won't be big queue's waiting if the weather is inclement .

I totally agree with you. The huge costs involved in staging EL racing, coupled with the riders overseas commitments could mean financial suicide for some clubs if they suffered several rain offs. On the flip side you can't charge fans for fifteen races and only give them ten. Some form of discounted readmission must be put in place by the promoters.

[BWitcher]

But had Coventry been leading at heat 9, I do not for one minute think he would have been so vociferous. I get the impression on TV that he was pushing for a postponement for points over safety.

 

Of course, but that is irrelevant at this juncture.

 

He was correct on this occasion.

 

For riders to be fined for not racing because they claimed it was dangerous... and then for it to be abandoned because it was dangerous is simply outrageous.

[TheReturn]

Of course, but that is irrelevant at this juncture.

 

He was correct on this occasion.

 

For riders to be fined for not racing because they claimed it was dangerous... and then for it to be abandoned because it was dangerous is simply outrageous.

Technically, they refused to ride before it was abandoned so they should be fined, if the opposition were happy to ride. Although on the assumption they were instructed not to ride by Havelock I would have fined the manager, not the riders.

[The White Knight]

In this instance, to my mind, Havelock was quite right. Just imagine that there had been all four Riders in that Final Race. The way Holder skidded across the Track would probably have taken out both Coventry Riders and his Team mate as well. As it was he apologised to his Team mate.

 

The Meeting should have been abandoned after Heat Eight I believe.

 

Once again, as at Belle Vue, the only beneficiaries are Poole 'Pirates'.

 

I've always taken this ante Poole thing with a pinch of salt. Now I am beginning to seriously wonder if there is something in it.

[BWitcher]

Technically, they refused to ride before it was abandoned so they should be fined, if the opposition were happy to ride. Although on the assumption they were instructed not to ride by Havelock I would have fined the manager, not the riders.

 

Rubbish and you know it.

 

They should appeal the fines and take it to whatever body is necessary. They would win easily.

[TheReturn]

Rubbish and you know it.

 

They should appeal the fines and take it to whatever body is necessary. They would win easily.

Not rubbish at all. It's just that you don't agree with my thoughts, so have dismissed them to be rubbish which of course is your right.

[heathen chemistry]

In this instance, to my mind, Havelock was quite right. Just imagine that there had been all four Riders in that Final Race. The way Holder skidded across the Track would probably have taken out both Coventry Riders and his Team mate as well. As it was he apologised to his Team mate.

 

The Meeting should have been abandoned after Heat Eight I believe.

 

Once again, as at Belle Vue, the only beneficiaries are Poole 'Pirates'.

 

I've always taken this ante Poole thing with a pinch of salt. Now I am beginning to seriously wonder if there is something in it.

think theres been something in it for a while now , things always seem to go pirates way

 

sky cameras act like paparazzi around the poole team for some reason...

remember chris louis telling middlo that belle vue riders were moving at the tapes and to go mention it to the ref live on tv

peter collins was not amused ......'like a dog with a bone '

Edited June 2, 2015 by heathen chemistry

[weatherwatcher]

Havelock, got this call right and as manager of the team, he had every right to tell his riders not to go out for heat 10, he had been promised a track inspection which never happened. For once a manager stuck up for the saftey of his riders. you only had to look at Kylmakorpi, he was far from happy to go out there again, Bomber would go and ride on a ploughed field if asked to and enjoy it, he is that sort of rider. With the out come of heat 10, with the way Holder started if 4 riders had been in that heat, then all 4 riders would have been in a big pile on the floor, no ifs no buts and one of them could have been very badly injured.

Unless the meeting gets to heat 15 that it should be called viod. speedway as far as I know is a 15 heat meeting not 10 or even 8 that the Swedes do.

Not good for the sport or the paying public. How can a team come away from a 10 race meeting with the full 4 points in the bag for an away that, never finished.

Either call the match off and give half points or call it off and re run it at a later date. With fewer meetings now they have plenty of time to re stage it. This is The British Isles and we are now aproaching the wetest months of the year. From April until the nd of December, there will be more rainy days than dry ones, unless we have one of those freak Summers, that we get now and then.

So if the weather is bad, then call the meeting off, if it is infront of Sky or not. Give half points and give the fans a few brass buttons for the lost races and hopefully everyone will be happy. That is until we have another specticle like Monday night again.

[Arson fire]

Calling a result at heat 10 with no refund is a disgrace.... Esp when it works the other way if abandoned at heat 5 you pay for watching them 5 heats.... Yeeeeha.

[waiheke1]

I dont believe you get a refund if u go to the cricket and there is a result under the DL system.

And i think you can get a result with only 40% of the match completed?

Sports with a propensity for being affected by weather need to have such rules in place

The issue in speedway isn't the rule its the way it is enforced.

[AFCB Wildcat]

In this instance, to my mind, Havelock was quite right. Just imagine that there had been all four Riders in that Final Race. The way Holder skidded across the Track would probably have taken out both Coventry Riders and his Team mate as well. As it was he apologised to his Team mate.

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To be fair I think Holder would have ridden a completely different race had all 4 been at tapes.

It struck me that it was just show boating with no opposition trying to make it look easy and he got it wrong!

[Humphrey Appleby]

I dont believe you get a refund if u go to the cricket and there is a result under the DL system.

And i think you can get a result with only 40% of the match completed?

In Twenty20 you can have a result with 5 overs per side, so 25% of the match completed. However, that still represents 40 or so minutes of action, which is four times as much as calling a speedway match after 10 heats.

[The White Knight]

To be fair I think Holder would have ridden a completely different race had all 4 been at tapes.

It struck me that it was just show boating with no opposition trying to make it look easy and he got it wrong!

I suppose the view you take depends on whether you are Poole Supporter or not. :sad:

[AFCB Wildcat]

I suppose the view you take depends on whether you are Poole Supporter or not. :sad:

But surely if that were the case every debate involving Poole would just amount to a lot of pointless bickering and blinkered posts driven by blind loyalty or irrational hatred! ............. oh hang on .... :-)

[The White Knight]

But surely if that were the case every debate involving Poole would just amount to a lot of pointless bickering and blinkered posts driven by blind loyalty or irrational hatred! ............. oh hang on .... :-)

What I was saying was that Holder would have ridden the line he took anyway, it the way he rides, it's what makes him exciting to watch.

 

As for being ante Poole as you imply - I am not, never have been. But lately things that happen, for example Poole at Belle Vue in the rain a year ago and Coventry versus Poole on Monday night in the rain, it does make you wonder don't you think?

 

I have no axe to grind - I support Belle Vue in the Elite League and Newcastle 'Diamonds' in the Premier. I am not really interested in Poole - but - they certainly seem to get the rub of the green every time.

 

That, my friend, is the view of a total outsider.

[AFCB Wildcat]

What I was saying was that Holder would have ridden the line he took anyway,twit the way he rides, it's what makes him exciting to watch.

 

As for being ante Poole as you imply - I am not, never have been. But lately things that happen, for example Poole at Belle Vue in the rain a year ago and Coventry versus Poole on Monday night in the rain, it does make you wonder don't you think?

 

I have no axe to grind - I support Belle Vue in the Elite League and Newcastle 'Diamonds' in the Premier. I am not really interested in Poole - but - they certainly seem to get the rub of the green every time.

 

That, my friend, is the view of a total outsider.

I think you took my post the wrong way TWK as I was in no way implying that you were anti Poole. I have always found your posts reasoned and unbiased . You said that the the view of the incident depended if you were a Poole supporter or not (which incidentally im not)

I made my views on the Belle Vue incident clear at the time and as many others have said already if Coventry had been winning by a margin on Monday they would have been prepared to go out in heat 10 and I'm sure Middlo would have done the same as Havvy except he would have been slaughtered to a bigger degree on this forum!

I was pointing out that it's a shame that any thread involving Poole cannot be discussed rationally on here without the usual suspects bickering.

I myself like to think I can view incidents and make my own judgement, right or wrong without prejudice.

[spook]

I finally caught up with the match this morning & this nonsense does speedway no good at all

The glaring issues for me were that Havelock was promised a track inspection & then it didnt happen..... what reason could there possibly be for that which is upstanding, impartial & within the spirit of the sport for the riders, clubs & fans? It seemed to me that there was a big difference in the state of the track between heats 8 & 9 & that it most certainly needed a track inspection...... what I think I saw from that point was a desperate need to reach heat 10 and then cancel the rest of the match. There certainly was no question of if there would be any more races once ht10 was over... why was that??

Reaching Heat 10 is not just about league tables and averages, it is also about the hard cash that fans are paying. So for teams and officials to be approaching the final two heats with one aim no matter how bad the conditions are is an insult to the fans who will only vote with their feet in the future

Mickey Mouse

[The White Knight]

I think you took my post the wrong way TWK as I was in no way implying that you were anti Poole. I have always found your posts reasoned and unbiased . You said that the the view of the incident depended if you were a Poole supporter or not (which incidentally im not)

I made my views on the Belle Vue incident clear at the time and as many others have said already if Coventry had been winning by a margin on Monday they would have been prepared to go out in heat 10 and I'm sure Middlo would have done the same as Havvy except he would have been slaughtered to a bigger degree on this forum!

I was pointing out that it's a shame that any thread involving Poole cannot be discussed rationally on here without the usual suspects bickering.

I myself like to think I can view incidents and make my own judgement, right or wrong without prejudice.

I take your point AFCB Wilcat. My apologies if my comments seemed a bit cynical.

 

I, in no way wished to offend you.

[Trees]

To be fair I think Holder would have ridden a completely different race had all 4 been at tapes.

It struck me that it was just show boating with no opposition trying to make it look easy and he got it wrong!

Of course he would, there was no pressure on Poole at that point to score anything more, they would have trundled in behind.

When the track was deteriorating big time Coventry were under pressure to score which probs lead to mistakes.

Without a doubt there should have been a track inspection and the meeting called off before 10.