heathen chemistry Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 the stupid rule is ruining our sport , whenever speedway is on sky this rule dictates proceeding instead of rider safety! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike.Butler Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 i heard several mutterings on the way out last night from disillusioned Coventry fans who said sky/promoters insisting on running meetings when the weather forecast clearly suggests a meeting will not run its course is short-changing fans. Another example of driving fans away.. what an awful damp squib that was. Personally I think the promotion owes us some money as we only saw 9 races with both side competing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyK86 Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 (edited) I would say 10 heats means fans have to pay again (discounted entry) if meeting is re run in future, 12 heats must be run to declare a result ! Edited June 2, 2015 by whoswinnin86 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen chemistry Posted June 2, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 what other sports have this stupid rule what if it was the play off final last night would that be a fair way to decide the title! sky are doing damage to our sport by this rule also why didnt they listen to the forcast every other club running that night called off early they knew no fans where going to turn up because of the forcast! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 (edited) So do you propose going back to the old 6 heats rule that we had in the good old days? We had the same problems then but it wasn't down to Sky. In the good old days 6 heats were regularly forced through and then everyone sent home with no refund. I don't think the rule itself is the problem, it's the way it's applied. Last night should have been called off around heat 8. Edited June 2, 2015 by grachan 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 i heard several mutterings on the way out last night from disillusioned Coventry fans who said sky/promoters insisting on running meetings when the weather forecast clearly suggests a meeting will not run its course is short-changing fans. Another example of driving fans away.. what an awful damp squib that was. Personally I think the promotion owes us some money as we only saw 9 races with both side competing. Were these the same fans who were at the Cov v Lakeside match (not on sky ) that was also ran when the forcast showed that it might not run it's course and only lasted 10 heats ? .. to be fair I never heard much from anyone about that match Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 i heard several mutterings on the way out last night from disillusioned Coventry fans who said sky/promoters insisting on running meetings when the weather forecast clearly suggests a meeting will not run its course is short-changing fans. Another example of driving fans away.. what an awful damp squib that was. Personally I think the promotion owes us some money as we only saw 9 races with both side competing. If they knew from the weather forecast that the meeting would be abandoned, why did they go? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReturn Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 (edited) To be fair it is not just speedway, in other sports they often call results without full play. Personally I think heat 12 is a more realistic 'end point' for a result, I thought it always used to be heat 12 in the past or maybe I am making that up (I am getting old). I guess the only other and fair way to decide when to call a meeting is if rain is threatening to end a meeting early, it can only be called a result at the point where the other team can no longer mathematically (using 5-1's) not take (win) points, be that somehow heat 10 or up to heat 14 etc. Otherwise it is everyone back for a re-run meeting. Edited June 2, 2015 by TheReturn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 what other sports have this stupid rule what if it was the play off final last night would that be a fair way to decide the title! sky are doing damage to our sport by this rule also why didnt they listen to the forcast every other club running that night called off early they knew no fans where going to turn up because of the forcast! Not that I like the 10 heat rule in speedway, but there are other sports that have shortened matches, far, far bigger ones than speedway. Cricket and Baseball to name two. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 Not that I like the 10 heat rule in speedway, but there are other sports that have shortened matches, far, far bigger ones than speedway. Cricket and Baseball to name two. A speedway version of Duckworth-Lewis is what's needed... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 The principle of the Heat 10 type rule would be reasonable in most sports. But Speedway is not run in a reasonable way by people of principle. The licensed officials that have been at the centre of the last few televised disasters have been woeful in every respect. Messrs Clarke, Steel, Lawrence, Russell et al. A disgrace one and all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen chemistry Posted June 2, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 it should be at least 12 before a result declared.... also would like sky to LISTEN to weather forcasts if its like last night forget it running in those conditions and showing it 'live' on tv does the sport no favours and does not attract new fans or sponsors!!!!!! in fact it brings the sport down .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReturn Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 The licensed officials that have been at the centre of the last few televised disasters have been woeful in every respect. Messrs Clarke, Steel, Lawrence, Russell et al. A disgrace one and all. I thought Havelock came out badly last night, far more than any officials. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 I thought Havelock came out badly last night, far more than any officials. August 29, 1992. Would be the last day when that was not the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 You need the heat 10 rule. Without it teams will be too hesistant when it comes to holding meetings and matches will be unnessacarily postponed in an effort to avoid wasting anymore money on running a meeting that will be rained off.If you need the Ht 10 rule ,then give the fans a refund of 1/3 of entrance fee on the way out.!! Judging by last there won't be big queue's waiting if the weather is inclement . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 (edited) Were these the same fans who were at the Cov v Lakeside match (not on sky ) that was also ran when the forcast showed that it might not run it's course and only lasted 10 heats ? .. to be fair I never heard much from anyone about that match Perhaps the reason you never heard much is because a lot don't moan , they just walk out and don't come back. There used to be a Lakeside fan of 40 years standing who posted on here and the Lakeside site, who posted after that match, combined with the Belle Vue -v- Poole heat 10 farce he had had enough and was done with the sport. .Lets just think about that. A fan who has supported the sport through thick and thin and in all weathers, for 40 yearsnow gone for good all because of the corruption - and which ever label you put on it , corruption is what it really is. The sport simply can not afford to lose people like that. This really highlights the underlying problem. We have people on this forum like Moxey for example and a few others who just love coming on here moaning for the sake of moaning and the usual suspects who want to go back to the one day World Final, don't want play-offs , want to go back to the old 13 heat formula with second halves, and generally live in the past. You can discount them because whatever you say and whatever you do they will carry on complaining. The real problem is the long standing decent fans who can put up with green helmet covers, poor stadium facilities and all the rest of it put the one thing they cant stand is corruption, cheating, conning the public or whatever other label you want to put on it. Ultimately it is the corruption and the fiddling that goes against the natural instincts of most reasonable people, and they don't normally hang around to complain to promoters or moan on forums or write to Speedway Star, they just pack up and go. Once they have gone they rarely come back. The sport desperately needs to clean up its act, but after last night I am not holding my breath. Edited June 2, 2015 by E I Addio 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 August 29, 1992. Would be the last day when that was not the case. If I remember rightly he did not walk out that day after the thunderstorm!!!!!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen chemistry Posted June 2, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 (edited) havvy stood up for safety as for the riders getting fined that ridiculous Edited June 2, 2015 by heathen chemistry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReturn Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 havvy stood up for safety as for the riders getting fined that ridiculous But had Coventry been leading at heat 9, I do not for one minute think he would have been so vociferous. I get the impression on TV that he was pushing for a postponement for points over safety. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 Whatever Havelock's real reasons, his safety stance was vindicated when Chris Holder slid across the track on the first corner and there were no Coventry riders there to get injured. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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