stevebrum Posted May 31, 2015 Report Share Posted May 31, 2015 I disagree. You called Blackbird a "match winning reserve". Well it was the same with Sarjeant. We lost at Wolves by 4 points. I see your point however you cannot call Sarjeant a match winning reserve because without the scores of Garrity (who is your match winning reserve) you wouldn't have even been in the same position. The top graded reserves are meant to be fairly equal but it's Garrity plus the usual suspects like Newman, Kerr and Blackbird who are scoring big points. Obviously the 2nd tiered draft riders make a difference and Sarjeant is clearly the best of the 2nd tier riders. He won't be getting 12-17 points a match which makes all the difference regards winning matches. Blackbird, like Garrity are the riders expected to score the big points so replacing them with much worse riders are a much bigger loss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted May 31, 2015 Report Share Posted May 31, 2015 Sarjeant is not one of the strongest. He is the strongest of the 2nd picks. when you have a rider like Garrity (similar to Blackbird for Wolves) the 2nd reserves scores are just a bonus. It isn't the same thing at all. You mean James Sarjeant, the guy averaging 8 in the PL? Or more than Lakeside and Swindons best reserves? And is infact within a point of Lewis Blackbird who you think is "like for like" with Lewis Kerr who is draft. Yeah, fair enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted May 31, 2015 Report Share Posted May 31, 2015 You mean James Sarjeant, the guy averaging 8 in the PL? Or more than Lakeside and Swindons best reserves? And is infact within a point of Lewis Blackbird who you think is "like for like" with Lewis Kerr who is draft. Yeah, fair enough. Yea, the guy deemed only good enough to be mid down the 2nd draft pick. Seeing as he is doing so well how many times has he replaced Garrity because he was scoring more points? If you seriously believe Sarjeant is as good as Kerr and Blackbird then fair enough. He will always play second fiddle to Garrity as he should do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted May 31, 2015 Report Share Posted May 31, 2015 Yea, the guy deemed only good enough to be mid down the 2nd draft pick. Seeing as he is doing so well how many times has he replaced Garrity because he was scoring more points? Why would we want to replace the guy considered good enough to replace Lindgren in heat 13? I'm not claiming Sarj is that good. I'm just pointing out his averages is within a point of Blackbirds and Blackbird and Kerr have as big a difference and you claimed earlier that Blackbird and Kerr are like for like so it stands to reason Sarj and Blackbird are like for like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted May 31, 2015 Report Share Posted May 31, 2015 Sarj and Blackbird are like for like. They aren't, put Sarjeant as senior reserve and he would be no way as prolific. Sarjeant is rapidly improving and I rate him but I doubt he would be even considered 1st pick next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 Our season went south the minute we signed Musielak on 6.50. Not sure I agree entirely. Musielak was a decent signing and one hopefully long term that will pay off. Thorssell was the one that was always going to be the problem. Some had him down as the next world beater and time and again I tried to explain to them how he would struggle as a heat leader. Even as a second string he isn't doing the business... losing to Lambert at Leicester simply isn't good enough. They aren't, put Sarjeant as senior reserve and he would be no way as prolific. Sarjeant is rapidly improving and I rate him but I doubt he would be even considered 1st pick next season. He'd be more prolific. He's racing against the same opposition, so nothing changes there.. but has a weaker partner so will score more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 (edited) They aren't, put Sarjeant as senior reserve and he would be no way as prolific. Sarjeant is rapidly improving and I rate him but I doubt he would be even considered 1st pick next season. I'm confused. You claim Lewis Blackbird and Lewis Kerr are like-for-like but there's 0.8 between their EL averages. So why isn't James Sarjeant who is within 0.80 of Lewis Blackbird not like-for-like with Blackbird? Lewis Blackbirds PL average is 7.92 to 7.7 for Sarj. Kerr is 7.12. So Sarj is better than Kerr. So do tell me, how is Blackbird like-for-like with Kerr but Sarj is a lesser rider. Pair Sarj up with Ash Morris who is normally at the back or Bates who is at the back more often than Garrity and Sarjs average would actually go up. Edited June 1, 2015 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 Meeting rained off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Sweetman Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 Our season went south the minute we signed Musielak on 6.50. We were always gonna struggle with the declared side at the start of the season. Fred was never going to get anywhere near his 9 point average. Thorrsell was never going to slot in as an heat leader. Musielak would probably see his assessed average drop to about 5. Didnt take advantage of 1st pick in 2nd FTR. The plus sides,PK and Ricky.Blackbird achieved what was expected. All the sides started with a blank canvas at the start of the season,so you dont have to be Einstein to see where the blame lies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zlata prilba Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 (edited) Meeting off.Bit premature calling it off for Wolverhampton as it not raining at the moment.. But in hindsight probably good call looking at the forecast Edited June 1, 2015 by zlata prilba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfsbane Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 Not sure I agree entirely. Musielak was a decent signing and one hopefully long term that will pay off. Thorssell was the one that was always going to be the problem. Some had him down as the next world beater and time and again I tried to explain to them how he would struggle as a heat leader. Even as a second string he isn't doing the business... losing to Lambert at Leicester simply isn't good enough. He'd be more prolific. He's racing against the same opposition, so nothing changes there.. but has a weaker partner so will score more. Musielak wasn't a problem in my view, we've got to keep looking for younger talent. The 6.50 was the issue. And yep, I'll hold my hands up, Jacob hasn't made the strides I was anticipating. Maybe the latter makes the former look even more iffy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 That is a bu**er, we had a good chance of an away win and no chance for Peter to race for us, may have to wait till play offs subject to who we have in the team at the time to see him again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.N.T. Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 It would be ironic wouldn't it if in the rescheduled running of this match Kildemand was lining up for Wolves 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 That is a bu**er, we had a good chance of an away win and no chance for Peter to race for us, may have to wait till play offs subject to who we have in the team at the time to see him again. Yes, but someone would have to be injured for that to happen AORLOV - plus of course you will have to get into the play-offs!!!? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 Bit premature calling it off for Wolverhampton as it not raining at the moment.. But in hindsight probably good call looking at the forecast Not surprised Wolves called it off. Knew they were up against it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beowulf Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 Not surprised Wolves called it off. Knew they were up against it. I think the weather will prove that it was the right decision irrespective of any other theory. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfsbane Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 Not surprised Wolves called it off. Knew they were up against it. I'd rather like it to be dry up until 10pm. At least then I can believe for a short while that CVS has toughened up and decided if others are going to extract the urine when they have weakened teams, a tactical postponement is appropriate for Wolves when also in that position. In the best interests of British Speedway, of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 I'm confused. You claim Lewis Blackbird and Lewis Kerr are like-for-like but there's 0.8 between their EL averages. So why isn't James Sarjeant who is within 0.80 of Lewis Blackbird not like-for-like with Blackbird? Lewis Blackbirds PL average is 7.92 to 7.7 for Sarj. Kerr is 7.12. So Sarj is better than Kerr. You mean his PL average from reserve? Yea that's a really true reflection of comparison - NOT. Kerr started the season at Newcastle at number 1 and Sarj is still a reserve but if you really want to believe that Sarj is already better than Kerr then go ahead. By the same argument you must feel that Garrity is already a better EL rider than Schlein, AJ, Freddie, Cook, Holder, Zagar, Andersen, North, King, Watt, Howarth, Fricke, Milston, Bech et Al. Yea, great logic. That is a bu**er, we had a good chance of an away win and no chance for Peter to race for us, may have to wait till play offs subject to who we have in the team at the time to see him again. Why who is Kildemand likely to be riding for in the play offs? ;-)) Not surprised Wolves called it off. Knew they were up against it. Glad they did. It's already been allowed for teams to call off matches to suit (copyright Poole) so seems completely fair to me. Why should we race so weakened? On a less sarcastic note the forecast is awful and would have been financial suicide to run a meeting with a poor forecast and injury woes. Right call, well done CVS. Let's face the Robins when they have Miedzinski back and have little to play for Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 You mean his PL average from reserve? Yea that's a really true reflection of comparison - NOT. Kerr started the season at Newcastle at number 1 and Sarj is still a reserve but if you really want to believe that Sarj is already better than Kerr then go ahead. By the same argument you must feel that Garrity is already a better EL rider than Schlein, AJ, Freddie, Cook, Holder, Zagar, Andersen, North, King, Watt, Howarth, Fricke, Milston, Bech et Al. Yea, great logic. Kerr didn't start the season as number 1. And it was you that claimed Blackbird was on a par with Kerr. So why is Blackbird a like for like with Kerr but Sarj isn't with Blackbird? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 Kerr didn't start the season as number 1. And it was you that claimed Blackbird was on a par with Kerr. So why is Blackbird a like for like with Kerr but Sarj isn't with Blackbird? Ok I stand corrected, Kerr started as 2nd heat leader and moved to Number one at Newcastle in May, yet you want us to believe the Glasgow reserve Sarj is already a better PL rider (your words). Sarj is tier 2 so is hardly comparable to a 1st tier rider as far as a like for like goes. He is having a great season and I am no way knocking the lad. If he was free to guest tonight I'd rather Sarj than James Wright that's for sure. But he would no way be a like for like replacement because of their tier grading and as far as I'm concerned the 1st tier riders are all like for like and should all be able to guest for each other IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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