Big Al Posted June 1, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 You must have hated World Finals, BLRC's and now GP's. All those top riders and many of them only scoring a few pts! The quality is awful. haha! Do away with averages. Introduce a new rating system based on points scored, consistent genuine effort made over 4 laps, sportsmanship, being at the start promptly, and condition of kevlars. Refs to produce a rating for each rider at the end of all matches, cumulative "quality ratings" to be built up over course of the season. All teams declared for matches to show current rider quality ratings, and use them as basis for pay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 haha! Do away with averages. Introduce a new rating system based on points scored, consistent genuine effort made over 4 laps, sportsmanship, being at the start promptly, and condition of kevlars. Refs to produce a rating for each rider at the end of all matches, cumulative "quality ratings" to be built up over course of the season. All teams declared for matches to show current rider quality ratings, and use them as basis for pay. Well that's not a system open to abuse is it??!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 haha! Do away with averages. Introduce a new rating system based on points scored, consistent genuine effort made over 4 laps, sportsmanship, being at the start promptly, and condition of kevlars. Refs to produce a rating for each rider at the end of all matches, cumulative "quality ratings" to be built up over course of the season. All teams declared for matches to show current rider quality ratings, and use them as basis for pay. Comedy Gold! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 I think a percentage of opposition riders met v riders beaten is a far better way of judging a riders worth EG riders met 8 riders beat 4 = 50%, no point in points grabbing off you team mate it wont make any difference, this could be used instead of CMA or alongside it If the scoring system in speedway simply awarded points for beating opposition riders, it would more accurately reflect a rider's ability and solve the problem of bonus points. I've also always thought it nonsense that teams should get a point just for finishing a race, or awarding a bonus point for third place when there are only three riders. Of course, it still wouldn't take into account the relative strengths of opposition riders met during a meeting, especially with a format where certain riders meet more often. It would certainly be possible though to devise some sort of rider rating that have a higher weighting to points scored against other heat leaders compared to second strings and reserves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 I think if riders had to ride in the strict position dictated by their average i.e highest average at No1 lowest at No7 and points were then awarded by their number minus the number of the opposition rider that they beat. So if the No7 beats the opposition No1 he gets 6 points and so on. Obviously a bit of a hitch for the highest average riders who will score -6 points for beating the opposition No7 but he will get his reward when he becomes the No7 with a -37 average. Referees like Ms Vardy or Mr Robinson can be relied on to use their immense skills to instantly spot anybody not trying to win so this would lead to a system that would give an instant guide to the riders abilities even for the newcomer to the sport. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midland Red Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 All my posts have been remove post amongst yourself. Your all that loud your not worth posting to. Oh dear - no more Comedy Gold! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 Oh dear - no more Comedy Gold! So someone else has called it a day. One day there will be nobody left and you will all wonder why. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandorum Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 All posts have and are been removed Who have been warned !!!!!!!! This ones still here And is hard to miss. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 So someone else has called it a day. One day there will be nobody left and you will all wonder why. If children want to leave WK that is up to them. He made a series of posts which were wrong. A number of forum members POLITELY explained exactly why they were wrong. He had two choices at this point, to act like a rational adult and learn from it, or act like a 3 year old and continue to insist he is correct and argue against basic maths. Unfortunately, his further attention seeking announcements of him leaving and 'warning' people he is removing his posts further confirms the child like actions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 Post removed Posting a new post to say "Post removed" ??? This ones still here And is hard to miss. Yes, but you've been warned. I hope you've heeded it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandorum Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 (edited) Posting a new post to say "Post removed" ??? Yes, but you've been warned. I hope you've heeded it. I did indeed although I am not quite sure what to be wary of The warning seems to be only applicable to Doctor Who for some reason. I am quite confused now. I don't recall him ever going to Boston. I would ask him to clarify but then he would have to remove another post. Sort of Catch 22 really On the plus side I think that is the most dramatic exit from a message forum I have ever seen and I have been on them for the last 16 years I think the lad deserves credit for that at least Edited June 2, 2015 by pandorum 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Leslie Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 This ones still here And is hard to miss. It's good to see he came back to edit his "who have been warned" spelling mistake and change it to "you have been warned" before he comes back again to remove it and make another post to say the post has been removed. Wonder if he's worked out what 42 divided by 7 is yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandorum Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 It's good to see he came back to edit his "who have been warned" spelling mistake and change it to "you have been warned" before he comes back again to remove it and make another post to say the post has been removed. Wonder if he's worked out what 42 divided by 7 is yet? I thought the original had a sort of charm to it. Someone so passionate about what they were doing they could not type properly. I imagine Doctor Who would not really be bothered about the warning as he has fought the Daleks and won every time although it was nice to include him in the general warning. Gave the post some class Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted June 3, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 So how about after each match you have rider ratings given from 1 to 5 Eg. 5. Gave it 100% each race, got to the starts without messing around, team rode when had chance, sporting attitude, took extra riders 1. Gave up trying quickly if he didnt gate, got picked off easily, didnt clear track when could have, messing about at starts The ratings could be given by the proboards texters at the meetings, and each rider would build up a running Quality Average Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 So how about after each match you have rider ratings given from 1 to 5 Eg. 5. Gave it 100% each race, got to the starts without messing around, team rode when had chance, sporting attitude, took extra riders 1. Gave up trying quickly if he didnt gate, got picked off easily, didnt clear track when could have, messing about at starts The ratings could be given by the proboards texters at the meetings, and each rider would build up a running Quality Average Fine for Speedway Mail match reviews. Not so great for team building. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamish McRaker Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 But helpful for deciding which match/es to spend time and money going to watch? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 Can we not just get all fans to rate riders for excitement as they leave? From 1-10. Bit with 10 being boring and 1 being most exciting. Then use a rolling average of this. So that the more exciting riders have lower averages. Clubs will only sign exciting riders then! Or the boring ones only if they can score big points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 Can we not just get all fans to rate riders for excitement as they leave? From 1-10. Bit with 10 being boring and 1 being most exciting. Then use a rolling average of this. So that the more exciting riders have lower averages. Clubs will only sign exciting riders then! Or the boring ones only if they can score big points. I know you're kidding around but again folk seem to be falling into this trap that the fans only want to see exciting racing... I'm still yet to see any evidence of this born out in crowd figures.. anywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 I think a relatively simple weighting is needed. Heatleaders plus 20% Second strings minus 20% Using 20 match rolling average means 1% up or down for each match ridden in the relevant position. So you have 3 riders all with raw averages of 6. One is heatleader for all 20 matches so plus 20% Two is second string for all 20 so minus 20% Three is moving between - 10 in each position so no change. 1 becomes 7.2 average 2 becomes 4 8 average 3 remains 6.0 average I think this woukd give an accurate reflection of true ability. No system will be totally 'fair' but almost anything would be better than the current way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 Can we not just get all fans to rate riders for excitement as they leave? From 1-10. Bit with 10 being boring and 1 being most exciting. Then use a rolling average of this. So that the more exciting riders have lower averages. Clubs will only sign exciting riders then! Or the boring ones only if they can score big points. But: 1. Jason Garrity would be a "1" or very close to it, because while nutty, he's also exciting. 2. Teams would have seven Jason Garrity's. 3. Meetings would then take 6 hours to complete due to the 50 re-runs and everyone would moan. All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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