Humphrey Appleby Posted May 31, 2015 Report Share Posted May 31, 2015 Quite right. It's amazing how many people seem to struggle to get their head round this apparently simple fact. Averages are the average per ride x 4. Heat 15 gives 2 riders 5 rides, but their average is the average for every 4 rides. How many times does it need to explained? And to think somepeople have the idea that fans should be running the sport. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted May 31, 2015 Report Share Posted May 31, 2015 Are you starman in disguise? I think the penny will drop around the same time jerran hart gets released 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 What is 84 divided by 9.3? That is an equally relevant calculation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 This is hilarious! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 OK you can do division. So the question is why do you think 45/6 is relevant to averages, despite the numerous posters pointing out the reasons this is irrelevant? Passed basic maths, failed applied maths and literacy? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 if 14 of us got together and took 3 minutes to complete 4 laps we'd still end up with a team average of 42. Possibly less, as most of us would probably fall over and not score 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 Possibly less, as most of us would probably fall over and not score plus actually, in the average league meeting, the combined average of the two teams is normally less than 84 (84 being 2 lots of 42) because the 4 riders going into heat 15 generally have a higher average than 6 between them, so heat 15 will drag them down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldace Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 Tell me does 42 divided by 7 = 6 yes/no Tell me does 49 divided by 7 = 7 yes/no Then what does 45 divided by 7 = ?.?? your answer Await with baited breath. Don't try to explain to me that it is a mean average of 42.00 average per team. We are not riding 14 heats with 3-3 in each heat making 42-42 it is 15 heats which with each heat been 3-3 would be 45-45 if nothing unto ward happens or no use of a TR in any heat or the match is not abandoned after 14 heats. Please don't tell me if a rider gets 9 points from 3 rides and he as 3 trillion matches all the same points scored and same amount of rides in each match that his Match Average is 12.00. Maybe in the speedway world but in reality it would be 9.00 average. Why because that rider would not be taking 4 rides in any of the matches. So in truth it could not be a 12.00 average. Only by multiplying by 4 would make it a 12.00 average. Besides what I was trying to point out if team building averages were 45 points per team then all things been equal then each team if it were possible could each have a rider that had an average of 6.42 per rider. Won't happen I know but if teams were told you could not have a rider above 6.42 and this is without using EDR's then to make the most out of a 45 point limit each rider would have to be near as possible to 6.42. yes they could use a less points average per rider but that would not be anywhere near to being up to a 45 point upper limit. Mull it over and have a think. Now this is comedy gold, even Starman couldn't better this. Do you understand the basic concept of a CMA. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 I think Barrycuda is on a deliberate wind up. No-one could actually be that thick. All the best Rob 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 I think Barrycuda is on a deliberate wind up. Don't be so sure. I had someone on Speedway Friends claiming that the old BL2 in 1980 was stronger than the current EL. This is because not only did they have loads of riders with averages over 9.00 but they also managed to do it from 13 heats instead of 15. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 This is because not only did they have loads of riders with averages over 9.00 but they also managed to do it from 13 heats instead of 15. Thats the answer. 6 man teams, 3 heat format. Think of all the 9 point averages achieved in only 3 heats! You could charge £25 for this new, stronger league! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldace Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 I wonder what would happen if you could make exact clones of Ivan Mauger and Hans Nielsen and staff the entire league with them. Imagine how good it would be. All 70 riders in the league on a 15 point average. The crowds would be flocking back !!!!!! The thing is though whenever someone states the league was stronger 30 years ago I don't disagree, it is when they then go on to prove it by comparing averages then and now that it comes unstuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 I like Barrycuda, he makes me feel like a genius 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldace Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 I like Barrycuda, he makes me feel like a genius And me, and all we are doing is primary school maths!!!!!!!!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 the race average would be more useful - risedrs taking anywhere between 3 and 6 rides in a meeting the 4 ride average doesn't make sense or a points percentage average prehaps once again the Danish model of squads and graded riders seems the most sensible way forward and squads would not have to cost more if riders were paid by appearance and points money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 the race average would be more useful - risedrs taking anywhere between 3 and 6 rides in a meeting the 4 ride average doesn't make sense or a points percentage average prehaps once again the Danish model of squads and graded riders seems the most sensible way forward and squads would not have to cost more if riders were paid by appearance and points money But how many riders will give the sport away if they don't have any idea of how many meetings they are going to get? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 the race average would be more useful - risedrs taking anywhere between 3 and 6 rides in a meeting the 4 ride average doesn't make sense If the 4 ride average makes no sense, neither does the 'race average' as its just the race average x 4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted June 1, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 Oh well......wish I'd not bothered with this now!! As someone who isn't a one-eyed supporter of a team, when i do go to see a match, one of the factors that gets me to go along is the chance to watch a "top" exponent of the art doing his stuff. I just think that it seems nowadys theres a higher chance that I'll go along, with money and time spent, and be disappointed at how whoever it is, actually performs. I know there the chance of that happening anyway, but it seems to be getting to be a higher chance. Thats what i meant by drop in quality. Didn't want to spark a stats "debate" !!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruiser McHuge Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 the race average would be more useful - risedrs taking anywhere between 3 and 6 rides in a meeting the 4 ride average doesn't make sense or a points percentage average prehaps once again the Danish model of squads and graded riders seems the most sensible way forward and squads would not have to cost more if riders were paid by appearance and points money I agree with graded riders...it would be much fairer I think.... I always found it odd and unfair that a rider could be out of a job or a team because his average was 0.1 of a point too high....averages are open to mis use anyway.....there has to be some sort of team strength control but I think it has to be something a bit more flexible than averages... Under the old system a good rider who spent a couple of months at reserve in a strong team always had an inflated average anyway and quite often this jeopardised his spot in the team ..and sometimes the sport altogether....Paul Smith rode at reserve for Hull all season once , usually taking 3 rides and finished up with a 7 plus average....nobody anywhere would take him the following season....how unfair is that...how unfair when improvement is punished and part way through a season a rider knows he may be riding himself out of a job by scoring too well ! I think the race formats now are the main reason for the drop in consistency of top riders...the heats they are in are tougher so it stands to reason they will drop more points...maybe this season they have also known the format is tough , after it was introduced late last season, and adjusted their contracts accordingly to receive more guarantee per meeting rather than just out and out points money..who knows ?....maybe they don't take the same risks if they miss the start as there is another meeting in another country coming up..could be a combination of all these ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldace Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 I agree with graded riders...it would be much fairer I think.... I always found it odd and unfair that a rider could be out of a job or a team because his average was 0.1 of a point too high....averages are open to mis use anyway.....there has to be some sort of team strength control but I think it has to be something a bit more flexible than averages... Under the old system a good rider who spent a couple of months at reserve in a strong team always had an inflated average anyway and quite often this jeopardised his spot in the team ..and sometimes the sport altogether....Paul Smith rode at reserve for Hull all season once , usually taking 3 rides and finished up with a 7 plus average....nobody anywhere would take him the following season....how unfair is that...how unfair when improvement is punished and part way through a season a rider knows he may be riding himself out of a job by scoring too well ! I think the race formats now are the main reason for the drop in consistency of top riders...the heats they are in are tougher so it stands to reason they will drop more points...maybe this season they have also known the format is tough , after it was introduced late last season, and adjusted their contracts accordingly to receive more guarantee per meeting rather than just out and out points money..who knows ?....maybe they don't take the same risks if they miss the start as there is another meeting in another country coming up..could be a combination of all these ! Grading are the least fair way of doing it. If you grade in 2 point increments how many riders at the bottom of the band will get a job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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