Gemini Posted July 16, 2015 Report Share Posted July 16, 2015 I Reckon £3000 is a small price to pay to ensure the safety of your riders for the rest of the season . .Take it on the chin pay up & carry on !! You never know you may end up having the last laugh at the end of September . Well if I was the Coventry promotion I know how I'd get 'the last laugh'. If Bees get to the Semi Final of the Play-Offs I'd refuse to let any Sky cameras in the place. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen chemistry Posted July 16, 2015 Report Share Posted July 16, 2015 Well if I was the Coventry promotion I know how I'd get 'the last laugh'. If Bees get to the Semi Final of the Play-Offs I'd refuse to let any Sky cameras in the place. or better still wait till cov get to final then ban sky ..... 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted July 16, 2015 Report Share Posted July 16, 2015 or better still wait till cov get to final then ban sky ..... Even better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted July 16, 2015 Report Share Posted July 16, 2015 The statement says that there was full discussion - maybe the issue of ' the calling off of Sky meetings' has been clarified?. Lets wait until the Coventry promotion give their official statement of reply - as indicated on the bees website. I would assume the additional fine is in line with SCB penalties for 'rule-breaking' and was presumably known about before the hearing?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted July 16, 2015 Report Share Posted July 16, 2015 They were always going to get fined for refusing to race and if Coventry hadn't been losing would they have acted in a different way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoFastTurnLeft Posted July 16, 2015 Report Share Posted July 16, 2015 I just hope this will put an end to the sorry saga. Coventry lost, they're still top of the table and whining has got nowhere, time to stop wasting everyone's time and get on with the season. I feel bad for the riders who got fined, less bad for Havvy. (and normally I like the bloke) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted July 16, 2015 Report Share Posted July 16, 2015 No the meeting shouldn't have started, but we all know why it did ? A lot of people have said it shouldn't have started that is not the issue. What was wrong with the track from heat 1?? Was it perfect? No. Was it raceable? Evidently. Thank god this ridiculous attempt to get a re staging has been put to bed . The only nonsense was trying to get the meeting overturned in the first place. It seems only Coventry didn't think it should go 10 heats, but are quite happy to get a match to heat 10 when it suits. Will it be put to bed? Nah I doubt it either. Correct decision. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted July 16, 2015 Report Share Posted July 16, 2015 What was wrong with the track from heat 1?? Was it perfect? No. Was it raceable? Evidently. Thank god this ridiculous attempt to get a re staging has been put to bed . The only nonsense was trying to get the meeting overturned in the first place. It seems only Coventry didn't think it should go 10 heats, but are quite happy to get a match to heat 10 when it suits. Will it be put to bed? Nah I doubt it either. Correct decision. I agree with Stevebrum!! I do hope Coventry refuse to ride in front of Sky, might win the playoffs then as they'll get thrown out of them!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted July 16, 2015 Report Share Posted July 16, 2015 (edited) If I were one of the poor souls who paid good money to watch that part-meeting I'd feel that my interests had been totally ignored, except for Coventry being punished for not providing riders for heat 10. The reasons why they didn't are a separate matter. Coventry are punished for bringing the match to a halt, but who is punished for making this excuse for a meeting go ahead? (I would use the term farce but as someone pointed out over Warsaw, it ain't funny). I do remember times when riders would ride in far worse conditions. Note I said ride, not race, but that was in the day when a meeting's admission cost about £7-8 in today's terms after a few decades of inflation, and spectators can't accept such low standards now. The sport makes a gesture and carries on, wondering why the fans stop coming. Every meeting like this, with its stupid, twisted priority to achieve a result, no matter how contrived and with any cost to the sport disregarded, damages and when just the most obvious and easy action is taken (as in you can find a rule to hit the Coventry promotion over the head with) you just despair. Apart from the bare bones of the SCB statement I do hope that due consideration was given to ALL of the unacceptable aspects of that match. I hope but do not expect. There is a desperate lack of integrity and sense of responsibility to the customer and the customer has been getting wise for some time. The strain of trying to keep the BEL running against the overwhelming demands of BSI, One Sport and the Polish and Swedish leagues seems to just suck more and more spirit out of the sport. It seems to me on the night the priority was to get a result for Sky in order to avoid having to refund them their expenses since the meeting had passed the 48 hour 'free' cancellation threshhold. The safety of the riders and rights of the paying customers were held in contempt. Contempt works both ways. A bad day for speedway and they're beginning to mount up now. (If anyone thinks that the only point of all this is that Poole were winning and Coventry were losing I suggest they take a long, hard look at themselves). It used to be so much fun to follow speedway. Edited July 16, 2015 by rmc 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo Posted July 16, 2015 Report Share Posted July 16, 2015 Easy with hindsight, but heat 10 might never have started if 4 tape breakings had taken place? Coventry usually have two sets of tapes set up on the gate. Harris breaks tapes..Excluded and replaced by Garrity. Rain continues to fall as the two minutes passes. (Second set of tapes is used) Kylmakorpi breaks the second set of tapes and is replaced by Sarjeant. Still raining as a further two minutes passes, plus extra time whilst new tapes have to be put in place. Garrity breaks tapes. Raining whilst tapes now have to be repaired again. Sarjeant breaks tapes. Definitely too wet to continue now! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted July 16, 2015 Report Share Posted July 16, 2015 (edited) As a footnote to the above, back in the days when I foolishly allowed myself to get far too involved in the sport I once saw an FIM report on a major meeting held over here. I remember reading the introduction. Did it assess the quality of the meeting? Did it assess the safety and satisfaction of the riders? Did it assess whether it was a good product for the public who'd paid to watch? Of course not. It reported that the FIM 'dignitaries' had been properly looked-after and given 'due' respect. I learned a great deal about how highly the customer was regarded that day. Anyway, most of them have long gone now, the public that is..... Gambo, if the sport had the brains it was born with and a few principles we wouldn't need to use hindsight, would we? ;-) Edited July 16, 2015 by rmc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dj350z Posted July 17, 2015 Report Share Posted July 17, 2015 Well if I was the Coventry promotion I know how I'd get 'the last laugh'. If Bees get to the Semi Final of the Play-Offs I'd refuse to let any Sky cameras in the place. or better still wait till cov get to final then ban sky ..... I agree with Stevebrum!! I do hope Coventry refuse to ride in front of Sky, might win the playoffs then as they'll get thrown out of them!! I imagine they would be breaking a contract if they did that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted July 17, 2015 Report Share Posted July 17, 2015 What was wrong with the track from heat 1?? Was it perfect? No. Was it raceable? Evidently. Thank god this ridiculous attempt to get a re staging has been put to bed . The only nonsense was trying to get the meeting overturned in the first place. It seems only Coventry didn't think it should go 10 heats, but are quite happy to get a match to heat 10 when it suits. Will it be put to bed? Nah I doubt it either. Correct decision. When i got there the track looked like a muddy field in places but they had done a good job to get even in that condition, it wouldnt have started normally but because the cameras were there they probably felt they had to gjve it a go. It was never going to be a great meeting with the track in that condition, riders accept it but they dont like it and neither do fans who had paid 18 quid to get in only to see a 10 heat meeting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted July 17, 2015 Report Share Posted July 17, 2015 When i got there the track looked like a muddy field in places but they had done a good job to get even in that condition, it wouldnt have started normally but because the cameras were there they probably felt they had to gjve it a go. It was never going to be a great meeting with the track in that condition, riders accept it but they dont like it and neither do fans who had paid 18 quid to get in only to see a 10 heat meeting. Well said 👍🏻 the wind was also a huge problem with sky having to use large blocks of wood to keep cameras from blowing over. As Kelvin said, Wind can effect bike control & visibility as much as rain. We had both. What some other Poole fans are missing is we aren't blaming Poole. It is Sky,GSI or who ever else forced this meeting to go a head even though it had rained heavy Sunday & rained Monday throughout the day. The track was not even checked before heat 10 so how could it be deemed safe to ride when not checked. Yet when it was finally checked only a couple of minutes after riders got fined for refusing to go out it was deemed dangerous. Surely that proved Havvy's point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted July 17, 2015 Report Share Posted July 17, 2015 Well said the wind was also a huge problem with sky having to use large blocks of wood to keep cameras from blowing over. As Kelvin said, Wind can effect bike control & visibility as much as rain. We had both. What some other Poole fans are missing is we aren't blaming Poole. It is Sky,GSI or who ever else forced this meeting to go a head even though it had rained heavy Sunday & rained Monday throughout the day. The track was not even checked before heat 10 so how could it be deemed safe to ride when not checked. Yet when it was finally checked only a couple of minutes after riders got fined for refusing to go out it was deemed dangerous. Surely that proved Havvy's point. I know Poole are not being blamed for once but some have said if the scores had been reversed perhaps the respective management would have had different views which by implication some do blame Poole for ensuring the meeting was completed in 10 heats. Coventry themselves may have had a different point of view had they have been winning, in retrospect i suspect they probably feel now that they shouldn't have tried so hard to get it on and let the track stay waterlogged as it must have been earlier in the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted July 17, 2015 Report Share Posted July 17, 2015 Easy with hindsight, but heat 10 might never have started if 4 tape breakings had taken place? Coventry usually have two sets of tapes set up on the gate. Harris breaks tapes..Excluded and replaced by Garrity. Rain continues to fall as the two minutes passes. (Second set of tapes is used) Kylmakorpi breaks the second set of tapes and is replaced by Sarjeant. Still raining as a further two minutes passes, plus extra time whilst new tapes have to be put in place. Garrity breaks tapes. Raining whilst tapes now have to be repaired again. Sarjeant breaks tapes. Definitely too wet to continue now! Or imagine Robbo had fallen off in heat 9. Slide along the ground and her his leg/back/arm. They had to send the medical people out to him, they checked him over, the dr had to go to he medical room with him...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted July 17, 2015 Report Share Posted July 17, 2015 When i got there the track looked like a muddy field in places but they had done a good job to get even in that condition, it wouldnt have started normally but because the cameras were there they probably felt they had to gjve it a go. It was never going to be a great meeting with the track in that condition, riders accept it but they dont like it and neither do fans who had paid 18 quid to get in only to see a 10 heat meeting. Absolutely. It's one of the reasons why the sport is dying. Any threat of rain and riders automatically go into won't ride mode. Likewise fans don't bother to go either because it's unlikely a match will start or will they get value for money. The riders and promotions are turning the sport into a good weather sport only. The track looked OK, not perfect and nor should it have it expected to be. It was also expected to be only 10 heats and those few who attended probably expected it. It's the hypocrisy of the coventry promotion tho that brought about this issue, yet don't moan when they have won a meeting over 10 heats, No wonder it was thrown out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marko Posted July 17, 2015 Report Share Posted July 17, 2015 Easy with hindsight, but heat 10 might never have started if 4 tape breakings had taken place? Coventry usually have two sets of tapes set up on the gate. Harris breaks tapes..Excluded and replaced by Garrity. Rain continues to fall as the two minutes passes. (Second set of tapes is used) Kylmakorpi breaks the second set of tapes and is replaced by Sarjeant. Still raining as a further two minutes passes, plus extra time whilst new tapes have to be put in place. Garrity breaks tapes. Raining whilst tapes now have to be repaired again. Sarjeant breaks tapes. Definitely too wet to continue now! Absolutely right Gambo but Coventry choose to go the honest approach and are now getting fined for it which frankly i find pathetic, would they have been fined if what you suggested had happened? would they have been fined if Chris and Joonas has gone out then both retired from the race before the first turn? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted July 17, 2015 Report Share Posted July 17, 2015 Absolutely. It's one of the reasons why the sport is dying. Any threat of rain and riders automatically go into won't ride mode. Likewise fans don't bother to go either because it's unlikely a match will start or will they get value for money. The riders and promotions are turning the sport into a good weather sport only. The track looked OK, not perfect and nor should it have it expected to be. It was also expected to be only 10 heats and those few who attended probably expected it. It's the hypocrisy of the coventry promotion tho that brought about this issue, yet don't moan when they have won a meeting over 10 heats, No wonder it was thrown out. I completely agree with the decision to fine them, we all remember meetings in far worse conditions and fans are continually being short changed by promotions not giving value for money, Coventry still wanted 18 pounds for a meeting that was never going to go the distance and on monday i watched 15 heats for a tenner with a pretty decent programme too which is rare in itself and why is it that clubs produce a programme that covers two meetings and expect us to pay extra, when especially away fans, we are unlikely to attend both meetings. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted July 17, 2015 Report Share Posted July 17, 2015 I completely agree with the decision to fine them, we all remember meetings in far worse conditions and fans are continually being short changed by promotions not giving value for money, Coventry still wanted 18 pounds for a meeting that was never going to go the distance and on monday i watched 15 heats for a tenner with a pretty decent programme too which is rare in itself and why is it that clubs produce a programme that covers two meetings and expect us to pay extra, when especially away fans, we are unlikely to attend both meetings. And I suggest even if the price were £5, given the weather conditions that day there would have been very few, if any, extra bodies thro the turnstiles which kind of negates your argument about 15 heats for a tenner 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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