SteveLyric2 Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 (edited) I love ill educated posts like this that completely ignore the facts and reality of a situation. You don't like Colin Horton.. that's about all that can be gleaned from this post. The rest is nonsense. Whats Colin Horton got to do with it?? Its nonsense!! Edited June 4, 2015 by Skidder1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 That is a joke. Should just be Havvy that is fined. I don't think anyone should be fined. They keep banging on that "riders safety is of paramount importance" when clearly that isn't the case (when SKY are in town it seems). If a team believe that the track/conditions are too dangerous, then it should be their prerogative they don't ride. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 Whats Colin Horton got to do with it?? Its nonsense!! Perhaps Colin is the brains behind what Mick says!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 Did we have Speedway before Sky ? Is there a higher attendance at meetings NOT shown live on Sky ? Have meetings been ridden when hand on heart whatever club you support you knew the meeting should not have started ? I could go on but what's the point ?? The point is we will always have speedway, the point remains that more and more are lost to the sport because of the way it's run. when I started going as a kid meetings would run irregardless of the weather. Now its called off at the slightest hint of a drop of rain. It's no wonder no one but the hardcore bother to go because unless it's a Dry warm day there is no security to the casual fan that racing will happen. She got called all names under the sun, but Charlie Webster's disappearance from the speedway scene makes her one wise gal. Nothing to do with Charlie. She will do it every week if asked, that's her job. Still can't take away the fact she us pretty clueless about speedway after all these years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philfromcov Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 the go speed statement asking 48 hours if it should be postponed , if true (?) confirms that it couldnt be postponed on the day because of sky. the disturbing thing for me is that the track is prepared not by the home guys but by go speed/sky team. If you find the tweet from Harris and the picture of the track "looking good" was his phrase and then compare it with the track that was there at 7pm, all the top layer had been removed and the starts had been completely ripped up, essentially destroying any home advantage, so what is the point, so we can get to ten heats. This is the real scandal ignoring all the handbags. so unless your track is normally bald as a coot (poole) essentially SKY can determine if you have a home advantage or not, which is not right its all about home advantage, take that away and it becomes farcical Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudflaps Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 .the saving grace is that when you're gone and forgotten Coventry Speedway will march on regardless. not when Sandu sells Brandon to the housing developers!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 not when Sandu sells Brandon to the housing developers!! Thanks for reminding us of that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwatcher Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 Sure, if they are willing to forfeit all the points. Can you imagine if a team could refuse to ride at their own discretion? Every time a team was losing they could say the felt unsafe on the track and get another shot. You do talk a load of bull at times, don't you ever think before you make some of your silly posts. Just sat and Watched the Poole KL meeting. It was a full Pirate team against one hlf decent guest who never relly got to grips with the meeting after that horrible Blacl/White race where Bjerre pulled a blinder. This was just like watching an EL team up against a PL team, how in heavens name did they ever come up with perhaps one of the worst group of guest riders in the EL this season so far. I just hope it dosen't get any worse, that what was on show at Wimbourne Road on Wednesday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 (edited) the go speed statement asking 48 hours if it should be postponed , if true (?) confirms that it couldnt be postponed on the day because of sky. the disturbing thing for me is that the track is prepared not by the home guys but by go speed/sky team. If you find the tweet from Harris and the picture of the track "looking good" was his phrase and then compare it with the track that was there at 7pm, all the top layer had been removed and the starts had been completely ripped up, essentially destroying any home advantage, so what is the point, so we can get to ten heats. This is the real scandal ignoring all the handbags. so unless your track is normally bald as a coot (poole) essentially SKY can determine if you have a home advantage or not, which is not right its all about home advantage, take that away and it becomes farcical You hit the nail on the head. The concerning thing is why when the track was good and to the home riders liking was it then changed so that it was slick like Poole's home track. They were still doing the track a few minutes before the meeting was due to start. The heavy rain then came as the meeting was due to start and the track couldn't take it with the way it was prepared. It's not right when home advantage is taken away and this kind of mess of a meeting takes place when it could be the difference at the end of the season over who finished top. Edited June 4, 2015 by mdmc82 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 The point is we will always have speedway, the point remains that more and more are lost to the sport because of the way it's run. when I started going as a kid meetings would run irregardless of the weather. Now its called off at the slightest hint of a drop of rain. It's no wonder no one but the hardcore bother to go because unless it's a Dry warm day there is no security to the casual fan that racing will happen. Too true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyE Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 Not suggesting the track was prepared to suit Poole are you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 the go speed statement asking 48 hours if it should be postponed , if true (?) confirms that it couldnt be postponed on the day because of sky. the disturbing thing for me is that the track is prepared not by the home guys but by go speed/sky team. If you find the tweet from Harris and the picture of the track "looking good" was his phrase and then compare it with the track that was there at 7pm, all the top layer had been removed and the starts had been completely ripped up, essentially destroying any home advantage, so what is the point, so we can get to ten heats. This is the real scandal ignoring all the handbags. so unless your track is normally bald as a coot (poole) essentially SKY can determine if you have a home advantage or not, which is not right its all about home advantage, take that away and it becomes farcical For me it confirms that the meeting could be postponed on the day but that there would be a financial penalty for GSI/BSPA - Sky did not force the meeting to go ahead, GSI/BSPA did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 Sure, if they are willing to forfeit all the points. Can you imagine if a team could refuse to ride at their own discretion? Every time a team was losing they could say the felt unsafe on the track and get another shot. So, it's okay for them to go out on (what they believe) is an unsafe track, taking the even bigger risk of getting injured (or, God forbid, worse), just because SKY say so? I think we've had enough injuries this season without unnecessarily adding to them, don't you? Also, don't forget, it was the home team that thought the conditions were unsafe, so they were hardly playing "silly sods" by blaming the oppositions track! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 (edited) It's not down to the riders, it's down to the officials. Like it or not (and I don't like it, trust me!), it's not down to the riders to decide. You cannot have a sport where the competitors call the shots. It doesn't work like that. It's too easily abused. Last time I look Arya, it wasn't the officials going out there risking their lives! I think the riders should always have a say in if they ride or not once weather conditions make visability poor and track conditions dangerous. The last thing I want to read about is a rider being seriously injured or worse because an official made a wrong call. How can it be deemed safe to race in heat 10 otherwise your fined but then one minute later it's deemed unsafe and meeting is awarded in exactly the same conditions? Easy to judge when not there. Speedway shouldn't just be about points and win at all costs, riders are human beings and their views & safety should matter. Edited June 4, 2015 by mdmc82 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 Last time I look Arya, it wasn't the officials going out there risking their lives! I think the riders should always have a say in if they ride or not once weather conditions make visability poor and track conditions dangerous. The last thing I want to read about is a rider being seriously injured or worse because an official made a wrong call. Riders should be consulted but they do not make the final decision. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 Riders should be consulted but they do not make the final decision. What's the point of consulting them when If they aren't willing to do out and race when dangerous then they get fined. It's like saying race regardless of conditions and the risks. What qualifies the officials to be able to judge if it's safe or not more than the riders when they haven't ever been out there on a bike in those conditions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 You hit the nail on the head. The concerning thing is why when the track was good and to the home riders liking was it then changed so that it was slick like Poole's home track. They were still doing the track a few minutes before the meeting was due to start. The heavy rain then came as the meeting was due to start and the track couldn't take it with the way it was prepared. It's not right when home advantage is taken away and this kind of mess of a meeting takes place when it could be the difference at the end of the season over who finished top. When there is rain about it's common sense to make the track slick that would be the same if sky were doing the track or the home trackman .....since when as a grippy track been prepared to counter rain ? . Whoever done the track done a great job to get it in the decent state it was at start time as Havvy had pointed out . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
full-throttle Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 For as long as i can remember tracks have been bladed to allow meetings to continue/start. the less shale on the track the more water it can take, as realistically the water runs off quicker. That's why we get such slick tracks when Sky are in town, any hint of rain and the shale is removed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 (edited) When there is rain about it's common sense to make the track slick that would be the same if sky were doing the track or the home trackman .....since when as a grippy track been prepared to counter rain ? . Whoever done the track done a great job to get it in the decent state it was at start time as Havvy had pointed out . Riders just cannot be allowed to make those kinds of decisions. In an ideal world, yes, but it's not an ideal world and it is too easily abused. The riders can be consulted, but they cannot make the decision when to and when not to ride. On Monday there were more riders in favour of riding than opposed so in my eyes the officials acted as they should. If an individual rider doesn't feel safe riding, when the majority of riders wish to continue, then by all means let them miss their ride but they should also miss out on the points. Holder has stated on Twitter that the meeting shouldn't have started. The Coventry riders didn't want to go out and Magic didn't look up for it so what makes you believe more riders felt safe & wanted to continue to heat 10 than not? I guess from now on then ALL sky meetings will be on regardless of the conditions on the day if they can now only be called off 48 hours in advance. Guess that means we never have to worry about sky cancelling a meeting on the day again and showing repeats of something else Edited June 4, 2015 by mdmc82 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 (edited) Riders just cannot be allowed to make those kinds of decisions. In an ideal world, yes, but it's not an ideal world and it is too easily abused. The riders can be consulted, but they cannot make the decision when to and when not to ride. On Monday there were more riders in favour of riding than opposed so in my eyes the officials acted as they should. If an individual rider doesn't feel safe riding, when the majority of riders wish to continue, then by all means let them miss their ride but they should also miss out on the points. That's how it's always been - anyone remember the rain soaked British Final that Kenny Carter won? Majority of riders wanted it off but officials stood firm and Carter went and won it despite being seriously injured - and there weren't any serious accidents as far as I remember. As I said before it's the Ht 10 cut off that's caused all the mullarky and not the actual state of the track. Edited June 4, 2015 by SPEEDY69 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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