Coventry V Poole 1/6/15

[Brandon]

Don't get this statement. If other teams would have done the same thing, then everyone has win and all costs mentality. So why would they have a problem with it?

I wasn't digging at Poole, more the rule. All teams would do the same, dosnt make it right. The fact it was in front of the sky cameras where the exposure is greater dosnt look good on them.

[crazyb]

Ok, so I forgot it was heat 10 now, but I got it right and that was two days before the meeting!

Don't worry. If we follow Swedish speedway we'll be calling a result after EIGHT heats. Surprised the BSPA haven't followed suit already.

[orion]

I have re read Coventry's report which refers to the meeting Steward decreed at heat 9 that the meeting should continue. One question I would ask seasoned Speedway supporters WERE YOU AWARE THAT THE MEETING REFEREE WAS NOT I N CHARGE FULLY OF ALL DECISIONS RELATING TO THE RUNNING OF OF WHAT HAPPENS ON TRACK. The arbiter appears to be the Sky Sports "STEWARD". If this is the case then it just shows how stupid the Speedway rulers were in accepting this decision. I bet this isn't the case in football or other sports. Be honest were you aware that the referee was not involved in this decision making and that it is left to a Sky employee. Surely the riders should address this anomaly for their own safety. Speedway is a dangerous sport and Sky should have no input into the final decision!.

Yea it's been the same for years ...I thought you said you had been watching speedway for 50 years .

Edited June 2, 2015 by orion

[robert72]

Just watched it tonight. I agree that speedway was the loser.

Let's face it, as Chris Louis was hinting at, the team trailing will always try to get the meeting stopped.

Pointless complaining about Poole winning.

Coventry would have been straight out to the gate at heat 10 if they were in the lead.

If bomber was not stopped by havvy he would of rode in heat 10 and it was clear he wasn't happy with havvy.

 

Time sky did one as the sport is going downhill fast with them.

 

Do away with result stands at heat 10 and make it that a match must run to the end of heat 15 for a result to stand.

[stevebrum]

 

Wrong. Heat 6 was a good race.

[Gambo]

I think you mean heat 7 as he wasn't in heat 5 but he picked up extra unwanted grip which could happen in any meeting, in my view totally different to garrity who falls off in most meetings! Holder in heat 10 i agree was due to conditions, no idea why he was going so fast with no one against him.

 

Most meetings???

Garrity has fallen in 4 meetings out of 14 for Coventry this year, and one of those was when he received a very dubious exclusion in the match at Poole. Most Meetings??

 

ATB

 

Dave

Edited June 2, 2015 by Gambo

[Super Blue]

I've not read all the current 43 pages on this thread so please forgive me if this has already been covered but does a football match result stand if its called off after 60 minutes (2/3rds) of its allocated time ? No it doesn't and formula 1 Grand Prix racing only awards 1/2 points if a race is curtailed before it run its course ! The 10 heat rule definitely requires looking at .

 

This meeting was only run because sky were there and should never have happened .

 

It turned into a total farce and shame on the sport (if you can call it a sport) for allowing it to descend to new levels of incompetence !

[mdmc82]

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Most meetings???

Garrity has fallen in 4 meetings out of 14 for Coventry this year, and one of those was when he received a very dubious exclusion in the match at Poole. Most Meetings??

 

ATB

 

Dave

I agree. Garrity seems to put himself under more pressure when sky are there for some reason as it's always those meetings he seems to fall or touch tapes in.

He didn't get to the top of the reserve draft by falling off all the time. He got there because he is a good rider. I wouldn't want any other drafts than the ones we have.

 

I wonder if all the riders that refused to race in the first SGP of the season got fined, when weather condition were much better than this

Edited June 3, 2015 by mdmc82

[g13webb]

Its so obvious to all concerned that heat 10 was the watershed, destined to be reached whatever the circumstances. Every race that was ridden, was looked at as one less to go. Whether there was a foot of water, a dozen riders injured, or a hurricane, that heat ten was going to be reached.

It is wrong that the BSPA have allowed SKY to have such a stranglehold on proceedings when they are in town. If the Riders and Team Managers wanted it to stop, this could only be achieved by working together, and Sky knows this.

Probably the point allocation ought to be looked at. To me it is wrong for a team, to be rewarded full points, when only half the meeting was completed. By the same token I think it be wrong to continue with the watershed of heat 10. So trying to be positive in this negative time, a suggestion that might be considered for future years.

 

TEAMS: There is to be no early finish for maximum points.

A meeting agreed to be called off between heats 6 and 10 the winning team to receive 1 pt;

A meeting agreed to be called off between heats 10 and 14 the winning team to receive 2 pts;

Meaning the meeting has to go the full 15 heats to receive the full points.

Both teams will want to carry on, whenever possible, instead only taking a solitary point.

 

SUPPORTERS:

When meeting is abandoned early, on the representing of the gate ticket, a reduction will be granted based on the number of heats that was not run. Ticket only valid for next 2 home meetings, or the corresponding one, the following year.

 

Thinking only of the sport, I was trying to safeguard against the Fans, the Riders and the Clubs, after the disaster that happened this week.

[Hamish McRaker]

To reply I didn't say that Sky drove the tractor but they have the last say as tithe setup of the track, why should they have that power?. I defy any reasonable fan to suggest that this meeting should have started or continued as the evening went on downright dangerous after beat 8.

They have that power because the promoters gave it to them in 2009! And its legally bound

[dump that clutch]

 

Too bloody right they should and I can't believe I'm going to say this but Horton should be compensated for what he lost on the attendance and his expenses for what was a farce of a meeting and the cash for both should be stumped up by SKY. That attendance would have been higher normally even with sky there. Lets be honest there was always going to be 10 heats but who wants to pay full whack for that and any Poole fans that did show up deserve their fuel money and lost money for time off work back too also to be stumped up by SKY who literally do not give a s*** about hardworking loyal fans.

what...! utter rubbish.

He got money from Sky to compensate the armchair fans and he (only he) chose to charge full price on the door, no discounts or anything. If he'd have taken the initiative to do what Swindon did the week before then his pocket wouldn't be so 'light' as you put it as people would have bought the fiver ticket and then may not have turned up, but the money would've been in his back pocket.

[foreverblue]

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I agree. Garrity seems to put himself under more pressure when sky are there for some reason as it's always those meetings he seems to fall or touch tapes in.

He didn't get to the top of the reserve draft by falling off all the time. He got there because he is a good rider. I wouldn't want any other drafts than the ones we have.

 

I wonder if all the riders that refused to race in the first SGP of the season got fined, when weather condition were much better than this

There is no denying his ability but whenever i have seen him he has been excluded or hit the deck, he just needs to be a bit less wild and controlled. Exciting to watch though.

[weatherwatcher]

I've not read all the current 43 pages on this thread so please forgive me if this has already been covered but does a football match result stand if its called off after 60 minutes (2/3rds) of its allocated time ? No it doesn't and formula 1 Grand Prix racing only awards 1/2 points if a race is curtailed before it run its course ! The 10 heat rule definitely requires looking at .

 

This meeting was only run because sky were there and should never have happened .

 

It turned into a total farce and shame on the sport (if you can call it a sport) for allowing it to descend to new levels of incompetence !

Seems that you have hit the nail on the head with this one. Why should any team who win a meeting that is run to heat 10 just to get a result, come away with 3 or 4 points. The very least the should get is half points. Can't see that the fans would have any problems with that. Also the fans should get a half price refund at the gate on the next meeting they go to. In this time, it could well be 4 or 5 meetings before they can go again, as with me it costs around £60 a meeting what with my admission and my grandsons a programme a couple of quid on the raffle they run, another 6 quid on over priced coffee and diesel to get there. So I have to pick and choose when I go now. We went to far more meetings when it was at Pl as the admissions prices where not so bad as the £18 charged now, can't really say the racing is any different and we still see many of the same riders as we did before.

So the refund should stand for all season.

[g13webb]

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I agree. Garrity seems to put himself under more pressure when sky are there for some reason as it's always those meetings he seems to fall or touch tapes in.

He didn't get to the top of the reserve draft by falling off all the time. He got there because he is a good rider. I wouldn't want any other drafts than the ones we have.

 

I wonder if all the riders that refused to race in the first SGP of the season got fined, when weather condition were much better than this

 

Whatever you think of Garrity, He may be exciting to watch, but he a liability to the Club and himself. Looking back to Monday night his attitude was the main reason why Coventry lost. I know there have been many meetings where Garrity has been the match winner, and been the difference between tight matches. But sometimes he needs to step back and take stock. Probably a better and more astute Manager would keep his feet firmly on the ground, instead of continuing blowing sunshine up this @rse.

Edited June 3, 2015 by GRW123

[nw42]

 

Whatever you think of Garrity, He may be exciting to watch, but he a liability to the Club and himself. Looking back to Monday night his attitude was the main reason why Coventry lost. I know there have been many meetings where Garrity has been the match winner, and been the difference between tight matches. But sometimes he needs to step back and take stock. Probably a better and more astute Manager would keep his feet firmly on the ground, instead of continuing blowing sunshine up this @rse.

 

Spot on.

 

He is great to watch but it's as though he's from another era, so reminiscent of when Havvy came on the scene along with Joe Screen, Stoney et al, proper rum northern lads with no fear. Gary will no doubt be cutting him loads of slack because he's been there himself and doesn't want to clip his wings, trouble is speedway has moved on and riders have to be 100% focused if they want to be successful. Jason's antics on Monday cost Coventry any chance of getting league points, despite the weather.

 

I hope he does calm down because I love watching riders like him when they are on song, in fact both of them need to watch the recording of Monday's meeting a good few times, no fast forwarding, just watch what most of us saw and have a think about how it all came across, not pretty at all.

[orion]

Its so obvious to all concerned that heat 10 was the watershed, destined to be reached whatever the circumstances. Every race that was ridden, was looked at as one less to go. Whether there was a foot of water, a dozen riders injured, or a hurricane, that heat ten was going to be reached.

It is wrong that the BSPA have allowed SKY to have such a stranglehold on proceedings when they are in town. If the Riders and Team Managers wanted it to stop, this could only be achieved by working together, and Sky knows this.

Probably the point allocation ought to be looked at. To me it is wrong for a team, to be rewarded full points, when only half the meeting was completed.

Not just sky thou is it ? Horton done the same v Lakeside and there are many more matches ...once a match starts one side or another is going to try and get the match to heat 10 ...This is nothing new as in the old days teams would try to get to heat six not to give fans a refund .

[ouch]

One thing that doesn't sit right with me is the fact that a meeting steward or Sky stooge has so much say in the running of the meeting. You end up with meetings in the same competition being handled differently and dependant on the amount of Sky broadcast you take part in you can be potentially helped or hindered dependant on this guys input, a guy with influence who isn't at all fixtures. I just think rules or administrative practice should be the same across the board.

[mickthemuppet]

The problem is Speedway live matches should not be on television. Televising Speedway has done no favours in this country. The sooner it is taken off the TV the better. I would think the gates have gone down by two thirds since the Elite League has been on Sky.

[SCB]

I'm going to repeat whats has already been said but unless we keep repeating it the powers that be won't listen. The issue with the heat 10 rules is that if a meeting gets to heat 10 and it's dangerous, they call the meeting off and award the points, I think we all get and agree to that. Where we have an issue is if they get to heat 4,5,6,7,8 or 9 and it gets dangerous they say, "we just have to get to heat 10" - that is wrong! If it's bad, it's bad and should be stopped - not "just 2/3/4/5 more heats".

[ouch]

I'll never forget at the Aces v Poole match when Middleditch was interviewed following the cancellation after heat 10. He said when riders like NKI are coming off that tells you something it is correct to call it off.

NKI came off yet Middleditch happily sent out his riders AFTER this, knowing the track was dangerous.

Utter utter scumbag.