Pirate Nick Posted July 16, 2015 Report Share Posted July 16, 2015 Thats not the issue, the issue is your riders did not show for heat 10. Our riders were happy to ridePrepared to ride, I wouldn't think anyone was happy about it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted July 16, 2015 Report Share Posted July 16, 2015 (edited) Totally agree ,but doesn't it give you a good feeling that you have done the right thing ?Of course. Once the official said inspection after heat 9 then Havvy had every right not to send riders out until that happened. I'm not shocked by the verdict but it shows me getting a result was number 1 priority. Thats not the issue, the issue is your riders did not show for heat 10. Our riders were happy to ridePoole riders were not to impressed either going by twitter comments the next day. Holder said it probably shouldn't have started plus they couldn't believe fines were dished out. Edited July 16, 2015 by woz01 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BANANAMAN Posted July 16, 2015 Report Share Posted July 16, 2015 Starman2006, on 16 Jul 2015 - 3:35 PM, said:Thats not the issue, the issue is your riders did not show for heat 10. Our riders were happy to ride And they did & thankfully nobody got hurt or injured . You got the 4 points & Coventry had the satisfaction of doing the right thing . Now the precedent has been set we all know were we stand don't we ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFE Posted July 16, 2015 Report Share Posted July 16, 2015 I Reckon £3000 is a small price to pay to ensure the safety of your riders for the rest of the season . .Take it on the chin pay up & carry on !! You never know you may end up having the last laugh at the end of September . Perhaps if it is that reasonable, you could pay it for them eh! No thought not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted July 16, 2015 Report Share Posted July 16, 2015 (edited) Thats not the issue, the issue is your riders did not show for heat 10. Our riders were happy to ride Holder wasn't happy, he nearly took out his team mate in a 2 man race. He even tweeted to say the meeting should never have started Edited July 16, 2015 by mdmc82 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted July 16, 2015 Report Share Posted July 16, 2015 Of course. Once the official said inspection after heat 9 then Havvy had every right not to send riders out until that happened. I'm not shocked by the verdict but it shows me getting a result was number 1 priority. Poole riders were not to impressed either going by twitter comments the next day. Holder said it probably shouldn't have started plus they couldn't believe fines were dished out. No the meeting shouldn't have started, but we all know why it did ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFE Posted July 16, 2015 Report Share Posted July 16, 2015 I do think a quick word with the stadium electrician at 7pm would have sorted this debacle out before it began. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted July 16, 2015 Report Share Posted July 16, 2015 Of course. Once the official said inspection after heat 9 then Havvy had every right not to send riders out until that happened. I'm not shocked by the verdict but it shows me getting a result was number 1 priority. Poole riders were not to impressed either going by twitter comments the next day. Holder said it probably shouldn't have started plus they couldn't believe fines were dished out. A lot of people have said it shouldn't have started that is not the issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted July 16, 2015 Report Share Posted July 16, 2015 The whole episode just generates another nail in that coffin. Not one person or one organisation came out of it with any credit. The fact that Sky are allowed to call the shots has to be detrimental to the sport, even in putting the television first. Safety has to be paramount all the time, not just after 10 heats. Any accreditation from this meeting goes only to the riders. Poole have stated they done nothing wrong, but that can be seen two ways in that they done nothing to support the safety aspect of their riders...... All they were concern about was the result... One wonders if Pool's attitude would have been different, had the scores been the other way round? The track was a disgrace and yes, it wasn't safe to use. Ride on possibly, race on, definitely not. Had I been a Team Manager, I would have instructed my riders to do a token ride round without a hint of ever racing. Prioritising the riders safety in preference of the television schedule. This meeting should never have started. The final decision of the £3000.00 fine is ridiculous to all those concerned. The fine is base on some petty pretence rule of not going to the start of a race. but fails to mention the safety condition of the track, nor, the desertion of duties by those in charge, or the admission of fault on their part in this disaster ...... It proves to one and all the governing powers haven't got a clue..... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted July 16, 2015 Report Share Posted July 16, 2015 (edited) A lot of people have said it shouldn't have started that is not the issue. It is part of the issue. It cannot be right that any promotion that holds a Sky meeting cannot call it off on the day. It should be the same procedure whether it's on Sky or not. Clubs are struggling as it is and should not be held to ransom like that. Edited July 16, 2015 by woz01 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted July 16, 2015 Report Share Posted July 16, 2015 The whole episode just generates another nail in that coffin. Not one person or one organisation came out of it with any credit. The fact that Sky are allowed to call the shots has to be detrimental to the sport, even in putting the television first. Safety has to be paramount all the time, not just after 10 heats. Any accreditation from this meeting goes only to the riders. Poole have stated they done nothing wrong, but that can be seen two ways in that they done nothing to support the safety aspect of their riders...... All they were concern about was the result... One wonders if Pool's attitude would have been different, had the scores been the other way round? The track was a disgrace and yes, it wasn't safe to use. Ride on possibly, race on, definitely not. Had I been a Team Manager, I would have instructed my riders to do a token ride round without a hint of ever racing. Prioritising the riders safety in preference of the television schedule. This meeting should never have started. The final decision of the £3000.00 fine is ridiculous to all those concerned. The fine is base on some petty pretence rule of not going to the start of a race. but fails to mention the safety condition of the track, nor, the desertion of duties by those in charge, or the admission of fault on their part in this disaster ...... It proves to one and all the governing powers haven't got a clue..... A unbiased post and spot on 👍🏻 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philfromcov Posted July 16, 2015 Report Share Posted July 16, 2015 i look forward to the play off final, which year was it that the poole leg got postponed many times? clearly that cant happen anymore........... but lets wait and see shall we its a sorry mess that will be glossed over again, they should just have come out in heat 10 and that would have been it. it will make no difference to the league standings anyway. no it shouldn't have gone ahead, i blame myself for entering the stadium Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BANANAMAN Posted July 16, 2015 Report Share Posted July 16, 2015 MFE, on 16 Jul 2015 - 4:00 PM, said:Perhaps if it is that reasonable, you could pay it for them eh! No thought not. Never said it was reasonable... " I Reckon £3000 is a small price to pay to ensure the safety of your riders for the rest of the season " is what I posted . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted July 16, 2015 Report Share Posted July 16, 2015 No the meeting shouldn't have started, but we all know why it did ? A lot of people have said it shouldn't have started that is not the issue. There you have it! Even two staunch Poole fans agree heat 10 (and 9, 8, 7,6,5,4,3,2 and 1 for that matter) should not have been run. Making the £4,000 worth of fines that Coventry Speedway and it's employees have received a joke! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWatson Posted July 16, 2015 Report Share Posted July 16, 2015 People are getting this all wrong. The issue is not that the track was unsafe at heat 9. It's that Coventry knew that suddenly the track would be unsafe at heat 10, meeting over and Coventry lose. so Coventry either had to abandon it or get to heat 15, they couldn't get to heat 15, they knew it would be called off at 10 so they had to stall and get it called off. Why did Coventry know it would be called off at 10? Because they had done it exactly 4 weeks earlier vs Lakeside while winning and also at Swindon last season. Seems a bit rich to start bleating now. IF meeting HAD to go to heat 15, this wouldn't be happening. My solution would be for meetings to get to heat 15, exceptions being if the losing team concedes the meeting. OR if after giving the losing team a 4-2 in every heat left the result cannot be changed from a win to one team or the other. So at heat 10, you have to be 12 up. Quite how the SCB can be so sure the track was fine at heat 9 and not at heat 10 though, I don't know! Seem pretty difficult to me to be so sure that they can fine people for it. I've explained to you both privately and via this forum that the Coventry promotion had no more control over the Lakeside abandonment than we did over the Poole meeting - it is the REFEREE'S (meeting steward) decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammer1969 Posted July 16, 2015 Report Share Posted July 16, 2015 Apart from all the in's and out's of the weather, officials, sky, riders, managers etc. one of the big problems in speedway is the heat 10 rule. A meeting has 15 heats and in my mind 15 heats should be completed before a result is declared if not the meeting should be re-run, the possible exception to this rule perhaps could be from heat 12 onwards if one of the teams competing has absolutely no chance whatsoever of getting a win or a draw then perhaps a result could be declared. To allow any meeting to be called off after heat 10 with in some cases as many as 5 races still remaining and maybe everything to race for re points for winning or drawing is a farce and is depriving speedway fans of seeing a meeting for which most have paid a full admission price and some have travelled miles to watch. I don't know all the finer details of what went on in this match as I don't have Sky and wasn't at the meeting but after reading various reports and comments I am of the opinion that if the referee/track official who said he would inspect the track after heat 9 didn't then he is definitely in the wrong and contributed to what is now happening and he should be fined and not be allowed to officiate at any further meetings. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted July 16, 2015 Report Share Posted July 16, 2015 I've explained to you both privately and via this forum that the Coventry promotion had no more control over the Lakeside abandonment than we did over the Poole meeting - it is the REFEREE'S (meeting steward) decision. Thanks Neil. Disgusting result to the appeal. They dish out silly fines instead of giving any answers as to why it was allowed to go a head. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted July 16, 2015 Report Share Posted July 16, 2015 (edited) Going to be honest and stick up for Coventry here. *In Heat 10 Chris Holder nearly took Davey Watt out therefore the track couldn't have been safe (It clearly wasn't).......... *Then Coventry get a cock and bull statement saying that they have to postpone the meeting 48 hours in advance...................... *Then last week BV called a meeting off with a few hours to go...... *Havelock, Harris & Kylmakorpi got fined £375.............So what is the extra £3,000 for? Seems a conspiracy against Coventry Speedway if you ask me. Interesting thought that, so can anybody shed any light on what the other 3 grand was for ? Edited July 16, 2015 by Starman2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted July 16, 2015 Report Share Posted July 16, 2015 All we want is answers and how things will improve in future but that never happens and what's worse is us fans knew nothing would be done to make sure this will not happen again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted July 16, 2015 Report Share Posted July 16, 2015 All sport is dictated to by tv, they pay so they rule. If it had been waterlogged it would have been called off. If it wasnt on tv it would have been off and once it started it was never going to be called off before heat 10. If Coventry wanted it off why did they try so hard to get it on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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