Game On Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 I heard that as well but didn't someone from Coventry say something like 'you might as well run heat 10 if you run heat 9' then there were some ironic 'yeh!' noises. I'm guessing the 'inspector' agreed and cracked on with heat 10. Havelock should have been asking for the inspection at heat 5 or 6 but there was only 2 points in it then, it only became dangerous for the riders when Coventry were 9 behind. Exactly a lack of brain cells spring to mind. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Silvers Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 If Garrity thinks it's dangerous, then it is Steward doesn't keep to his word about inspection Poole rule - sorry, Poole's rules Garrity can make a dry safe track look dangerous. The mans a fruitcake 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pugwash Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 If we want to see speedway presented in a better light, start by keeping Gary Havelock from in front of the camera. He really is embarrasing. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldace Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 You abolish the heat 10 rule then clubs will loose tonnes of money throughout the season. If a business plan is to make money by short changing customers then god help that business. To make money they could try try providing a good night out a a price commensurate and show a product worthy of being termed a sport. On the other hand they could simply not bother and just try and make more out of the few mugs that are left 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game On Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 Absolutely spot on. I will say it again...the fact that it was Poole that were winning after heat 10 was completely irrelevant. Would Havvy & Co. still been screaming for things to come to a halt before heat 10 if the scores had been reversed? I think not. All Poole were guilty of doing was keeping quiet and getting on with things and that is following the rules to the letter. Anyone who thinks otherwise has a screw lose! Folk on here should be questioning whether the heat 10 rule should exist...instead of hammering Poole who (for once) did absolutely NOTHING underhand or wrong. May I suggest all posters read and absorb the above and then think before they post. Right firstly I despise all things Poole and when I turned up last night it was obvious that it was a 10 heat meeting and one way or another but the Coventry promotion were to thick to see it and I want to make three points on last nights fiasco. 1. The meeting should not of gone ahead. 2. Poole did nothing wrong and fully deserved their victory which was obtained by a professional performance (maybe the Cov promotion could learn a lesson or two there). 3. Coventry bees got what they deserved from the meeting (NOTHING) 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northyorksbear Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 (edited) You abolish the heat 10 rule then clubs will loose tonnes of money throughout the season. Yes the heat 10 rule must go but what happens when rain falls at heat 14 and it's abandoned???? Re run whole meeting meaning clubs will have to pay rent and riders wages for a extra meeting. Not forgetting the fans paying extra. There is no good solution to mother nature Even if you abolish the 10 heat rule for declaring matches, promoters are going to have a cut off point for full (or even partial) refund - so actually the reverse is true, clubs stand to make more money throughout season. In your scenario match is abandoned at heat 14 promoter saves on race costs for 1 heat but doesn't suffer any additional costs that have already been incurred. Working on the assumption that meeting are being run at a profit, when match is replayed it's a further opportunity to make money, yes there is rent and other expenses, but you have gate money/sponsors again! If match only runs to heat 10 then promoter is saving 1 third of race expenses, only one group loses out..... the fans, but then when did it matter about them!!! Edited June 2, 2015 by northyorksbear 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philfromcov Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 as someone else who threw his £18 in the gutter, not an armchair fan, the life blood of the sport, first off, i totally agree with game ons three points above however... It was VERY obvious this was going to be a ten heat meeting from the off, so as a paying public: It should never have started, im already being ripped off, second there is no good complaining about the track when you are losing and KNOW it was going to be ten heats. Why do Sky set the track up?, it had been completely ripped up to provide no home advantage, the start gate was shockingly bad even before the start. the bigger issue is if the ref or the team has no control over the event then we need to pull out of the SKY contract. a complete farce but also not very happy with the way the coventry team approached it either. No blame can be put on Poole for this, no matter how much we would like to blame them! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 About time we dispensed with Sky I'm afraid, the opportunity was there in the noughties to push our sport on to the next level but the people in charge as usual made a dog's breakfast out of it. I know clubs will lose income but I believe we need to get back to basics even if that means the few remaining big names being lost. This whole heat 10 business and the need for Sky to to show meetings whatever the weather in front of abysmal crowds needs to end. Time for regular fixtures with far fewer guests. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 It was VERY obvious this was going to be a ten heat meeting from the off, so as a paying public: Don't agree with that at all ....the track was fine at the start and fit for racing and if had not rained the heats 15 would have been run ...Speedway can't win sometimes. you get people moaning when matches are called off due to weather forcasts and people who moan when matches are called off when it rains during a meeting . Surely from a home teams view all can do is get a track that is fit to race at start time at that is what cov did ..what happens after is in the lap of the gods . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodger Blue Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 The power of Sky TV is a very potent thing!! Most meetings without TV coverage are stopped almost as soon as it starts raining as riders cant see when rain hits their tear offs, last night this wasn't the issue. So is it actually an issue for rider safety as I have always been told?. If it is then why did the riders take to the track for heat 1?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 It's strange how Speedway becomes a dangerous sport around Heat 9 on a wet track.Harris must have been told to sit in the Pits he would have revelled in these conditions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game On Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 Don't agree with that at all ....the track was fine at the start and fit for racing and if had not rained the heats 15 would have been run ...Speedway can't win sometimes. you get people moaning when matches are called off due to weather forcasts and people who moan when matches are called off when it rains during a meeting . Surely from a home teams view all can do is get a track that is fit to race at start time at that is what cov did ..what happens after is in the lap of the gods . When I arrived shortly after 7pm the first thing I said to people around me was that it was going to be a 10 heat match as it was that obvious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 It was strange how Pearson was silent about running 10 heats last night,he usually never stops repeating it in normal wet meetings!!! Think he knew something!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philfromcov Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 Don't agree with that at all ....the track was fine at the start and fit for racing and if had not rained the heats 15 would have been run ...Speedway can't win sometimes. you get people moaning when matches are called off due to weather forcasts and people who moan when matches are called off when it rains during a meeting . Surely from a home teams view all can do is get a track that is fit to race at start time at that is what cov did ..what happens after is in the lap of the gods . sorry i was told at the gate that it was going to be ten heats, but i still went in! the track looked woeful. the last point the track is set up by the SKY team for the TV and not done locally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 When I arrived shortly after 7pm the first thing I said to people around me was that it was going to be a 10 heat match as it was that obvious. So what did want to happen then ...not run the match in case it rained ? what happens if had not rained ....the bottom line is all you do is get the track ready and fit for racing at the start and that is what Cov did .and but for the rain the match would have ran the full course . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game On Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 So what did want to happen then ...not run the match in case it rained ? what happens if had not rained ....the bottom line is all you do is get the track ready and fit for racing at the start and that is what Cov did .and but for the rain the match would have ran the full course . It started raining just after I arrived and didn't stop so there was no chance of the meeting going the distance so It should not have started. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReturn Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 sorry i was told at the gate that it was going to be ten heats If that is the case then it is woeful that Sky glossed over that throughout the evening. They are supposed to be broadcasters informing the public, not glossing over stuff in some kind of BSPA mouthpiece way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 sorry i was told at the gate that it was going to be ten heats, of course you did .there could have been a massive rain storm after heat one and the match would have been called off . there again it might not have rained and 15 heats would have been run ...no one can say how long a match is likely to go on for when the track was fine to race on at the start . It started raining just after I arrived and didn't stop so there was no chance of the meeting going the distance so It should not have started. The track was fine for 6 heats ...so if rain had stopped during that time then the match would have run it's course ...so there was plenty of chance of the meeting going the distance . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philfromcov Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 of course you did .there could have been a massive rain storm after heat one and the match would have been called off . there again it might not have rained and 15 heats would have been run ...no one can say how long a match is likely to go on for when the track was fine to race on at the start . it was raining before heat 1! in your world do you ever look outside and look up at the clouds and the wind and rain and think "you know what its going to get wet" or do you sit in the armchair with a nice fire and think "its not raining here" The pictures do not show how bad the weather was. the point of this as someone who went and through loyalty to the sport still went in knowing i was getting mugged off, it wont be happening again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice Of Reason Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 (edited) Whatever the rights, wrongs and wherefores of last night, one issue is clearly evident above all else. The meeting should not have gone on - end of. SKY Sports, and their obsession to get to Heat 10, have made an utter farce of our sport. In my honest opinion, and upon last night's evidence, they are actually bringing the sport into disrepute. I wish, I oh so dearly wish, that Mick Horton AND other promoters, take a stand NOW. I'd dearly love to see Mr Horton BAN SKY from Brandon. What better way of making your point - whilst causing them the utter embarrassment of not being able to transmit one of the play-offs and let's be honest, given Cov's form, potentially one of the legs of the league final. I am pretty sure that he'd absolutely pack out Brandon with supporters, both Bees AND Neutrals (I certainly include myself in that) for those particular meetings. This isn't about being anti-EL, anti-Poole or whatever. It's about us taking back what was once ours. Words on forums such as this are just that. They will fall on deaf ears. The ostriches at the SCB and BSPA will simply bury their heads in the sand, as the sport deteriorates to the point of no return. Please Mr Horton, make a stand against this utter circus of inept clowns NOW. And hopefully, just hopefully, we can start rebuilding our sport again based upon basic, common-sense principles of fairness, quality of racing and an awareness of paying customers' needs. It will also provide your sponsors with a return for their investment. Last night clearly didn't. It's time for the fair-minded speedway supporters of ALL leagues, to demonstrate some 'people power' and reclaim the sport that we hold, or have held, so dearly to our hearts. And I say all leagues because it's about strength in numbers. It's about us all collectively fighting back against the utter imbeciles running this sport from Rugby, and making a stand. It's about us displaying strength and unity against the stranglehold that SKY Sports currently has over us as Speedway Supporters; it's entourage of clueless hangers-on sucking the very lifeblood from our once great sport. WE need to fight back. WE need to fight back NOW! Edited June 2, 2015 by The Voice Of Reason 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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