Lakeside V Belle Vue Select 29/5

[mikebv]

Who will be the 1st club to turn up with 7 guests it's getting close.

didnt 'Belle Vue' do that against, I think, Eastbourne once? Or maybe six and RR....?

 

my memory might be playing tricks but didnt they have the end of season party or something so John Perrin basically said his team wasnt riding so a complete team of non BV riders were put together...?

Edited May 29, 2015 by mikebv

[mickthemuppet]

 

 

 

 

 

The problem is that there is no consistency in the EL anymore. The top leagues in other countries ride on the same day. If the EL is to survive, they have to do the same - they have to ride on Monday's. Simple. Don't go blaming PL teams and riders for the shambolic setup of the EL.

What a great idea for all clubs to race on a Monday night. With a live speedway match on Sky how many people do you think will be there.

In less than a season every team would be bankrupt.Mind you it would get rid of guests if every team was racing on a monday.

[Aces51]

My memory is probably worse than yours but I don't think it was anything to do with a party and I think we had at least one, if not two, Belle Vue riders. I thought we'd asked Eastbourne to rearrange it but they refused.

 

I also understand that Belle Vue have tried to rearrange tonight's fixture but that it wasn't possible. Don't know why.

What a great idea for all clubs to race on a Monday night. With a live speedway match on Sky how many people do you think will be there.

In less than a season every team would be bankrupt.Mind you it would get rid of guests if every team was racing on a monday.

Monday is also one of the reasons many riders don't want to race here. They think it is too much with Poland on a Sunday and Sweden on Tuesday.

[moxey63]

I always wondered what it was like, for those tracks staging war-time meetings and not knowing what competitors would turn up.

 

Speedway 2015 is very much a case of getting the show on, or at least getting the crowd in the stadium, then decide what to do, no matter what riders are available. It's like the school PE match, when teams were different every week.

 

And they wonder why support is what it is.

Edited May 29, 2015 by moxey63

[Ben91]

If I had a £1 for every time I've said this:

 

Elite League meetings should all be raced on Monday nights. PL and NL meetings are not allowed to be raced on that day to stop clashes and allow British riders to double up.

 

Two home meetings a month will help keep costs down for supporters, one race night may attract better riders back to the EL as well which makes promotion easier.

 

If clubs can't commit to Monday night racing then they need to join the PL or NL, I doubt any would though as they can all run on a monday when Sky come calling.

[krompa]

Mikkel Bech riding as a second string already? I thought he will from June 1st. But he is at 4 according to Lakeside site.

[moxey63]

didnt 'Belle Vue' do that against, I think, Eastbourne once? Or maybe six and RR....?

 

my memory might be playing tricks but didnt they have the end of season party or something so John Perrin basically said his team wasnt riding so a complete team of non BV riders were put together...?

 

For their August 11 2001 visit to Eastbourne, Belle Vue had only one regular contracted rider in their line up - Tomasz Jedrzejak. New face in the side, recently signed Tomas Topinka joined him, as Aces were annihilated 64-26.

The patched up Manchester side was missing Kaj Laukkanen and Jason Lyons because of the Inter-Continental Final; Peter Karlsson and Jimmy Nilsen were injured; and Matej Ferjan was riding in the Slovenian Championship.

Shaun Tacey, Leigh Lanham, Craig Watson and Simon Stead came in as guests, Stead fuelling Belle Vue problems further by picking up injury in only his second ride, forcing his withdrawal.

It was certainly a bleak day and a poor advert for the sport… especially as the match was being filmed live on SKY TV.

[Nutz]

What a great idea for all clubs to race on a Monday night. With a live speedway match on Sky how many people do you think will be there.

In less than a season every team would be bankrupt.Mind you it would get rid of guests if every team was racing on a monday.

 

So you're saying that supporters would far more want to sit and watch a live speedway match on TV of other teams in their division rather than go and watch their own team live at the stadium??? Surely this is shows the sorry state of what the EL has become in this modern era of our great sport...

 

If this is what the EL has come to, then you might as well give me that hammer, and I'll put that final nail in...

If I had a £1 for every time I've said this:

 

Elite League meetings should all be raced on Monday nights. PL and NL meetings are not allowed to be raced on that day to stop clashes and allow British riders to double up.

 

Two home meetings a month will help keep costs down for supporters, one race night may attract better riders back to the EL as well which makes promotion easier.

 

If clubs can't commit to Monday night racing then they need to join the PL or NL, I doubt any would though as they can all run on a monday when Sky come calling.

 

Seems all the common sense comes from the PL!!!

 

It's not too much for riders to race GP on a Saturday, Poland Sunday, Sometimes UK Monday, Sweden Tuesday, Sometimes Denmark Wednesday et al... Hell, they'd have Friday and for most, Saturday off so I don't see the issue. The stability it would create in the UK EL must be something that needs looked at...

[ekimba]

Yes I missed the point about Fricke and Nielson, but that doesn't affect the point being made . The point was that it was said that EL should move away from weekend meetings to avoid guests and my reply was why should the top league move to accommodate the lower league. The fact remains that two of the missing riders are riding in PL matches and nobody has yet said why the EL should move to accommodate the PL double uppers. The other thing is that Ipswich have booked a guest for Nielson on Saturday so even if theEL moved away from weekend race nights Nielson would still not be available for his PL club on Saturday.

 

The bottom line is that the root of the problem is poor fixture planning and nothing to do with the EL having a Friday race night

 

These riders are contracted to their PL clubs, if EL clubs want to use them then buy their contracts, its not rocket science.

Should Edinburgh, who paid good money for Craig Cook when he was released by Worky, turn around and say "Oh Craig there is a fixture clash with the top league tonight, you better just give us a miss, don't worry about this clubs fans.

Don't be so ridiculous.

Buy your own assets and loan them out to the PL, there is your answer, but no you want everything, just because you are in the Elite League, Unbelievable Jeff .

 

PS I Know the asset system isn't right and probably not legally enforceable but until such time as it is challenged, we are stuck with it.

[Steve0]

And here we go with the EL snobbery yet again... Get yer head's out of your own backsides and accept the fact that Cook is an Edinburgh asset just as Grajczonek is a Somerset asset... Cookie is contracted firstly to Edinburgh. Edinburgh race on Friday nights, always have done. Why not move the Lakeside fixture with Belle Vue to their alternative race night?.

Except that Grajczonek is a Poole asset!

[mickthemuppet]

If I had a £1 for every time I've said this:

 

Elite League meetings should all be raced on Monday nights. PL and NL meetings are not allowed to be raced on that day to stop clashes and allow British riders to double up.

 

Two home meetings a month will help keep costs down for supporters, one race night may attract better riders back to the EL as well which makes promotion easier.

 

If clubs can't commit to Monday night racing then they need to join the PL or NL, I doubt any would though as they can all run on a monday when Sky come calling.

How can the costs be kept down with two meetings a month. Do you think the landlord is going to half the rent. I would think EL racing on a Monday night there would be less star riders than there are now with poland on Sunday and Sweden on Tuesday. Besides Monday night is the worst night of the week to promote speedway.

[Vincent Vega]

Hopefully the rain will stay away. Definite home win by 8 pts.

[KevtheRev]

How can the costs be kept down with two meetings a month. Do you think the landlord is going to half the rent. I would think EL racing on a Monday night there would be less star riders than there are now with poland on Sunday and Sweden on Tuesday. Besides Monday night is the worst night of the week to promote speedway.

 

With only 14 league matches, that's all we get now over a season!

[mikebv]

For their August 11 2001 visit to Eastbourne, Belle Vue had only one regular contracted rider in their line up - Tomasz Jedrzejak. New face in the side, recently signed Tomas Topinka joined him, as Aces were annihilated 64-26.

The patched up Manchester side was missing Kaj Laukkanen and Jason Lyons because of the Inter-Continental Final; Peter Karlsson and Jimmy Nilsen were injured; and Matej Ferjan was riding in the Slovenian Championship.

Shaun Tacey, Leigh Lanham, Craig Watson and Simon Stead came in as guests, Stead fuelling Belle Vue problems further by picking up injury in only his second ride, forcing his withdrawal.

It was certainly a bleak day and a poor advert for the sport… especially as the match was being filmed live on SKY TV.

Cheers for the info, thought I might have missed some details in the midst of time!!

 

A mate of mine told me today it was a Berwick match the Aces missed due to the end of season get together...(?)

 

Just blatantly refused to go as their 'pee up' was I believe the night before so JP felt that they would run the risk of riding whilst still 'under the influence'...

 

And we wouldn't want anyone to do that would we??

[Ben91]

How can the costs be kept down with two meetings a month. Do you think the landlord is going to half the rent. I would think EL racing on a Monday night there would be less star riders than there are now with poland on Sunday and Sweden on Tuesday. Besides Monday night is the worst night of the week to promote speedway.

 

If the stadium is only being raced two nights a month rather than four then why shouldn't they? Or how about this novel idea, one that will keep weekly speedway at each stadium, each EL side enters an NL side that races their home meetings during the weeks that the senior side is away. Also helps teams develop their own riders, everyone is a winner.

 

Of course not, they fly over for Monday nights when sky is in town and two of our EL sides race on a Monday every week anyway.

 

Why is Monday the worst night?

[Bryn]

4.45pm Weather Check:

 

At the track where it's dry, road top pits which I can see from here is dry- Meeting ON

[mickthemuppet]

 

If the stadium is only being raced two nights a month rather than four then why shouldn't they? Or how about this novel idea, one that will keep weekly speedway at each stadium, each EL side enters an NL side that races their home meetings during the weeks that the senior side is away. Also helps teams develop their own riders, everyone is a winner.

 

Of course not, they fly over for Monday nights when sky is in town and two of our EL sides race on a Monday every week anyway.

 

Why is Monday the worst night?

Why don't you ask Belle Vue. When then move into their own stadium their race night will certainly not be a Monday. Years ago they always raced on a Saturday night but they only race on a Monday as that is the night the greyhound people will give them. For All entertainment Monday is a bad night whether Cinema , Theatre or any Sports presentation. How many football teams ever play on a Monday night unless it is Televised.. Was there ever a boxing tournament put on on a Monday night or a darts competition.

[moxey63]

Cheers for the info, thought I might have missed some details in the midst of time!!

 

A mate of mine told me today it was a Berwick match the Aces missed due to the end of season get together...(?)

 

Just blatantly refused to go as their 'pee up' was I believe the night before so JP felt that they would run the risk of riding whilst still 'under the influence'...

 

And we wouldn't want anyone to do that would we??

 

BELLE VUE were fined £1,000 by a Speedway Control Board tribunal in December 1991, for refusing to fulfil their end of season trip to Berwick. The match was rearranged to take place the afternoon following Belle Vue’s end of season dinner-dance - but Aces’ promoter John Perrin advised his riders not to travel.

Perrin argued that he had not agreed to the date, stating the dinner-dance was one time in the season riders could let their hair down.

Berwick riders rode unopposed to successive 5-0s for a 60-0 victory.

The match was postponed earlier in the year, Berwick claiming because of a waterlogged track. But the postponement angered Perrin after eyewitnesses informed him that the circuit was ‘bone-dry’ on the day.

Perrin, irate by the fine, immediately put the club up for sale - but he was still in charge when the 1992 season came around, eventually selling in 2004.

[Ben91]

Why don't you ask Belle Vue. When then move into their own stadium their race night will certainly not be a Monday. Years ago they always raced on a Saturday night but they only race on a Monday as that is the night the greyhound people will give them. For All entertainment Monday is a bad night whether Cinema , Theatre or any Sports presentation. How many football teams ever play on a Monday night unless it is Televised.. Was there ever a boxing tournament put on on a Monday night or a darts competition.

 

You've not actually given an answer though have you?

 

What makes monday any worse than Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday? Friday and Saturday night there are lots of other things that compete with Speedway, other sports as you've mentioned for one, other forms of entertainment for two and a big one for people in the age bracket that Speedway should be appealing to go out drinking at the weekends.

 

If you promote Speedway well people will come whatever day of the week it is run.

[Aces51]

Both Belle Vue and Wolves have reported that they have been told when trying to sign riders that Monday is a problem because of the effects of having to travel from Poland on a Monday then get an early flight to Sweden on a Tuesday.

 

Belle Vue are going to move to Friday with Wednesday as an alternative on GP weekends. People are more inclined to spend at a weekend and to be less concerned about a late night for children.